Challenge 14 Voting Thread

Shay Stephens · June 14, 2004

The glorious moment anticipated by many has finally arrived. Put down the cameras for a moment and prepare your eyes for a visual feast. Once you have carefully pondered each photo. It is then up to you to vote for your favorite.

damonff, daughter and mother

ginger, child

shakey, any step will do

dkapp, reflection in the metro

gypsy an intent artist

gubbs, flowers in rush hour

sandy, engrossed

seemoon, bird

snapapple, manicure

davidto, friends

DoctorIt · June 14, 2004

voting buttons missing... are they on delay (like last week)? did we figure that out?

Shay Stephens · June 14, 2004

DoctorIt wrote:

voting buttons missing... are they on delay (like last week)? did we figure that out?

Sorry, no time to answer questions. My work here is done. I am ready for beam out Scotty!
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Now would be a good time!!!

Nut's it must be down again. While I wait for them to get me out of here, I will answer your question:

No, there is no delay, what are you talking about? The poll is right there at the top. Voting buttons missing?!?! I am so sure!

DavidTO · June 15, 2004

Shay Stephens wrote:

The glorious moment anticipated by many has finally arrived. Put down the cameras for a moment and prepare your eyes for a visual feast. Once you have carefully pondered each photo. It is then up to you to vote for your favorite.

Well, my favorite is mine...

But that doesn't mean that I think it's the best...

So I voted for the one I thought best.

gus · June 15, 2004

So some of us didnt make the cut ?????????????

gus · June 15, 2004

100 people have looked at this thread since i posted my query...you going to tell me no-one has an answer to whats going on ?

Hands up whom else had their photo dropped ?

lynnma · June 15, 2004

Humungus wrote:

100 people have looked at this thread since i posted my query...you going to tell me no-one has an answer to whats going on ?

Hands up whom else had their photo dropped ?

I'm not sure what you mean humy... only ten can be chosen..

gus · June 15, 2004

lynnma wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean humy... only ten can be chosen..

Im stuffed if i was aware of that ?? My fault if it is written somewhere.

Thanks for being the one to answer me though lynn

Must have been an Act5: Amendment 13 to the rules of the comp....my copy is probably still on the water.

Personally i liked it better the way it was when fish was doing it....one shot...one post...ALL in.... not just the 10 best photographers. Talk about turning our back on new people !!!

I do not tolerate separatism at all ....it corrupts.

AltPro · June 15, 2004

Dan... Truth be known, I think 10 finalists are Too Many!

Humungus wrote:

Im stuffed if i was aware of that ?? My fault if it is written somewhere.
Thanks for being the one to answer me though lynn Must have been an Act5: Amendment 13 to the rules of the comp....my copy is probably still on the water.
Personally i liked it better the way it was when fish was doing it....one shot...one post...ALL in.... not just the 10 best photographers. Talk about turning our back on new people !!!
I do not tolerate separatism at all ....it corrupts.

Dan,
While I can totally understand where you are coming from in your frustration, I really think that 10 "Finalists" are still about 5 too many. Perhaps what might be considered would be to compile a list of all of the images for the assignment and then have two votes? The first to determine who the 5 finalists will be, the second to determine the overall winner. (Yet the problem with that approach again makes for more work for the moderator, and takes even more power of decision away from the "moderator/judge," whom I am suppossed to give credit for having more "knowledge and experience in these areas, than I.)
Please note, I did not enter this past weeks assignment. Somewhere along the line during the "Pathways" assignment, I determined for myself, that I did not want to just post an entry for the sake of posting an entry, and so, when I was not really happy with any of my work for this assignment, I opted out. Maybe I'm a snob? I hope not, but if I am thought to be, am I really if all I want is to feel that when one of my photos is listed as a finalist, it is truly worthy of that placement? "The Critical Eye?"

Dan, you do beautiful work-- (as do many others involved with this forum.) I often see accolades to attest that listed on this site. Beginners and pros alike receive input and constructive criticism here... In just the few short months I have been here, I can see how far some have come... That being said however, doing great work does not always mean that the work one submits is the best of the whole, or worthy of being the absolute favorite of the group, at any particular time. There are no guarantees... Peer Perspective and the Critical Eye can at times seem fickle. This should never become a popularity contest. People should not be chosen simply because they entered, or because they haven't won before... They should be chosen based on the merits of that 1 individual photo, as if it were the only photo they ever submitted.

Verbalizing these thoughts makes my belief that 10 finalists is too many even more staunch. There has to be a cut off somewhere... Sad is the day when it is "your" photo, or mine...
Please Forgive my diatribe.
I remain,
too often the one with foot in mouth,
ginette

Andy · June 15, 2004

dude i'm so sorry ....

Humungus wrote:

Im stuffed if i was aware of that ?? My fault if it is written somewhere.

Thanks for being the one to answer me though lynn Must have been an Act5: Amendment 13 to the rules of the comp....my copy is probably still on the water.

Personally i liked it better the way it was when fish was doing it....one shot...one post...ALL in.... not just the 10 best photographers. Talk about turning our back on new people !!!

I do not tolerate separatism at all ....it corrupts.

let me restate the rules

up till now, you could enter three and i pick ten finalists. then you guys vote for the one winner. i don't see how this is turning our backs on new people? in fact, i took alot of time after the last challenge and gave critique for every single shot that was entered.

Andy · June 15, 2004

AltPro wrote:

Dan,
While I can totally understand where you are coming from in your frustration, I really think that 10 "Finalists" are still about 5 too many. Perhaps what might be considered would be to compile a list of all of the images for the assignment and then have two votes? The first to determine who the 5 finalists will be, the second to determine the overall winner. (Yet the problem with that approach again makes for more work for the moderator, and takes even more power of decision away from the "moderator/judge," whom I am suppossed to give credit for having more "knowledge and experience in these areas, than I.)
Please note, I did not enter this past weeks assignment. Somewhere along the line during the "Pathways" assignment, I determined for myself, that I did not want to just post an entry for the sake of posting an entry, and so, when I was not really happy with any of my work for this assignment, I opted out. Maybe I'm a snob? I hope not, but if I am thought to be, am I really if all I want is to feel that when one of my photos is listed as a finalist, it is truly worthy of that placement? "The Critical Eye?"

Dan, you do beautiful work-- (as do many others involved with this forum.) I often see accolades to attest that listed on this site. Beginners and pros alike receive input and constructive criticism here... In just the few short months I have been here, I can see how far some have come... That being said however, doing great work does not always mean that the work one submits is the best of the whole, or worthy of being the absolute favorite of the group, at any particular time. There are no guarantees... Peer Perspective and the Critical Eye can at times seem fickle. This should never become a popularity contest. People should not be chosen simply because they entered, or because they haven't won before... They should be chosen based on the merits of that 1 individual photo, as if it were the only photo they ever submitted.

Verbalizing these thoughts makes my belief that 10 finalists is too many even more staunch. There has to be a cut off somewhere... Sad is the day when it is "your" photo, or mine...
Please Forgive my diatribe.
I remain,
too often the one with foot in mouth,
ginette

i will be keeping it between 5 and 10 finalists. what will change, is that the number of entries is going to go from three to one, per person.

i'm a firm believer in that the artist has to be super self-critical, so you've got to choose which of your possibles you want to be the one single entry into the challenge.

of course, the other "shots" forums and the photoshop shenanigans forum are availalbe for critique, advice etc during the challenge period

Andy · June 15, 2004

Humungus wrote:

100 people have looked at this thread since i posted my query...you going to tell me no-one has an answer to whats going on ?

Hands up whom else had their photo dropped ?

'gus, i thought in your post here you were kidding ... aw

Andy · June 15, 2004

Humungus wrote:

I do not tolerate separatism at all ....it corrupts.

i can assure you, there is no separatism here, and that i spend tons of time evaluating each and every entry in the challenges.

and after the evaluations, everyone who wasn't chosen, they get a critique from me. and after the voting, the finalists all get a post from me as to why they were chosen. here's the comment i made to your finalist in the last challenge

ginger_55 · June 15, 2004

Only ten, so sad, so happy, depends on the week
I am new, I am honored to be in the ten, this time.

Are you a philosophy major?

ginger

DoctorIt · June 15, 2004

ginger_55 wrote:

Are you a philosophy major?

Nope. engineer.

Oh wait... were you asking Andy? Ginette? Gus? My vote between those three would definitely be on Ginette. As usual, I'd send her in to negotiate with the nutjob wielding a bomb.

snapapple · June 15, 2004

My ideas on the voting
I am honored to be among the 10 finalists. I noticed my picture did not receive any votes, but that's OK. I don't think it's the best either. Actually I liked my "Sippin'" picture better. I think it had more personality. I'm anxious to see Andy's comments on why he liked "manicure" better. I really liked the comments from Andy on all the shots. This demonstrates to me how an expert opinion is better than voting from the members on picking the finalists. There is a lot there from which we can all learn.
One comment on the voting - I'm not sure we should be able to see how the voting is going during the poll. I think it would be better to just show the totals at the end. I think there is a subtle influence on the voter when they see which shot is getting the early votes. It takes away from the independent choice. Does anyone else get this feeling?

damonff · June 15, 2004

I'm not sure we should be able to see how the voting is going during the poll. I think it would be better to just show the totals at the end. I think there is a subtle influence on the voter when they see which shot is getting the early votes. It takes away from the independent choice. Does anyone else get this feeling?[/QUOTE]
Well, we can't see the results until after we vote, so it already is the way you want it.

Andy · June 15, 2004

Well, we can't see the results until after we vote, so it already is the way you want it.

yeh, that's the way i thought it was

thanks for confirming, damon ;-)

dkapp · June 15, 2004

You can see the totals if you have already voted, or have not logged in.

This is a feature of the software. It keeps unregistered users from voting and possibly messing w/ the results.

Dave

GREAPER · June 15, 2004

actually you can click on the button in the lower right of the poll and see the votes even if you havn't voted and are logged in.

You have to control yourself and not look before you vote. Or run the risk of being influenced.

I have not voted and am logged in and I just looked.

snapapple · June 15, 2004

GREAPER wrote:

actually you can click on the button in the lower right of the poll and see the votes even if you havn't voted and are logged in.

You have to control yourself and not look before you vote. Or run the risk of being influenced.

I have not voted and am logged in and I just looked.

Ok, I'm not crazy!! When ever I have looked at the poll I was not logged in at first. I looked to see if the poll was up yet, then I logged in and placed my vote. So, I always saw the results (so far) before I voted. I didn't know there was another way. I guess I can log in first next time and "control myself" as you say.

AltPro · June 15, 2004

But I still would be fine with only 5 finalists... 10 if we had 50+ entrants...

andy wrote:

i will be keeping it between 5 and 10 finalists. what will change, is that the number of entries is going to go from three to one, per person.
i'm a firm believer in that the artist has to be super self-critical, so you've got to choose which of your possibles you want to be the one single entry into the challenge.
of course, the other "shots" forums and the photoshop shenanigans forum are availalbe for critique, advice etc during the challenge period

Andy:

Overall I agree with what you are saying here, and from where I sit, you are doing a darn good job. What you've agreed to take on requires a great deal of personal time and effort... Not too mention a few tantrums from us, along the way... I don't believe that any of us is paying you to do this task? (Well at least you're not on my payroll...)

By compeling us to limit our entries, you are pushing our hand, actually forcing us to self-judge and determine what it is about our photograph that makes it of "visual value." It can be tough... at times, almost like choosing a favorite among our children. But you are forcing us to take steps on our own, urging us to grow... I, for one, commend your efforts, applaud and Thank You.
ginette

AltPro · June 15, 2004

You can peek, even if you've not voted...

andy wrote:

yeh, that's the way i thought it was

thanks for confirming, damon ;-)

Andy:

I think it may depend on what browser you're using... Vote here is bold, but still were I to want to peek, I could click on the button to the right, I did it this last time voting, to be sure. I don't remember it having been this way until 2 assignments ago...
ginette

snapapple · June 15, 2004

AltPro wrote:

Andy:

Overall I agree with what you are saying here, and from where I sit, you are doing a darn good job. What you've agreed to take on requires a great deal of personal time and effort... Not too mention a few tantrums from us, along the way... I don't believe that any of us is paying you to do this task? (Well at least you're not on my payroll...)

By compeling us to limit our entries, you are pushing our hand, actually forcing us to self-judge and determine what it is about our photograph that makes it of "visual value." It can be tough... at times, almost like choosing a favorite among our children. But you are forcing us to take steps on our own, urging us to grow... I, for one, commend your efforts, applaud and Thank You.
ginette

I have to agree, ginette. I learned a lot from Andy's comments on all the pics, but there were a LOT of them in this challenge. As we get more members on the site, this job could get overwhelming for Andy. The limit of ONE SHOT is a good idea.

wxwax · June 16, 2004

Humungus wrote:

Hands up whom else had their photo dropped ?

I didn't make it. 's OK, always next time. There's always been a cutdown, from day one. Otherwise, far too many for a poll.

Andy · June 16, 2004

okay so you can peek .... but dont

AltPro wrote:

Andy:

I think it may depend on what browser you're using... Vote here is bold, but still were I to want to peek, I could click on the button to the right, I did it this last time voting, to be sure. I don't remember it having been this way until 2 assignments ago...
ginette

i'll see about ways to limit the ability to see the voting results before you vote.

thanks for the clarification, guys!

lynnma · June 16, 2004

Thanks for all the time and energy put into the asssignment Andy, it's making this all great fun.. I just hope it does'nt get too big to handle.

Lynn

ginger_55 · June 16, 2004

Limit of one
I know that everyone likes the limit of submitting just one picture for the challenge. I don't. I just have been wanting to say that. I don't like it at all.
And I don't know how one learns to "self judge" in that way. What I mean is I don't think there is one good picture on a theme that I do. Subjectively I might like one better than another, but to know what another person is going to like subjectively, this is "art" after all, I think I am going to be playing a guessing game. I liked the child at the door from day one, but to tell the truth, I probably would have pulled it, not as a bad picture, or a lesser picture, just because I had been there, done that and looked at that picture a bit long at that point. I am glad I didn't pull that picture. I am just so proud to once, even if just once, have been "judged" subjectively to be a "real" photographer along with some people I consider great photographers, it gives me a lot of warm fuzzies.
Now the point of this is, Andy, could you do a tutorial, post, or something on "self judging", something to give me a clue more of what you mean in a subjective area.

ginger

AltPro · June 16, 2004

Is it open season on "week 15ths" assignment?
Andy?
May we begin shooting on the new assignment, "movement?"
Spent a couple of hours last night, and came up with some ideas, so ready to run... Want to be playing fair.
Later,
ginette

Andy · June 16, 2004

ginger_55 wrote:

I know that everyone likes the limit of submitting just one picture for the challenge. I don't. I just have been wanting to say that. I don't like it at all.
And I don't know how one learns to "self judge" in that way. What I mean is I don't think there is one good picture on a theme that I do. Subjectively I might like one better than another, but to know what another person is going to like subjectively, this is "art" after all, I think I am going to be playing a guessing game. I liked the child at the door from day one, but to tell the truth, I probably would have pulled it, not as a bad picture, or a lesser picture, just because I had been there, done that and looked at that picture a bit long at that point. I am glad I didn't pull that picture. I am just so proud to once, even if just once, have been "judged" subjectively to be a "real" photographer along with some people I consider great photographers, it gives me a lot of warm fuzzies.
Now the point of this is, Andy, could you do a tutorial, post, or something on "self judging", something to give me a clue more of what you mean in a subjective area.

ginger

heya ginger ...

you'll be able to solicit input from the other forums here... so not to worry. i just think that in the end, *you* must decide which of your three (or now even more than three heheheh) shots should be the *one* that you put in the challenge.

hmm... a tutorial on being self critical --- okay i'll give it a go when i announce the next challenge, okay?

Andy · June 16, 2004

challenge 15 will start on thursday night

AltPro wrote:

Andy?
May we begin shooting on the new assignment, "movement?"
Spent a couple of hours last night, and came up with some ideas, so ready to run... Want to be playing fair.
Later,
ginette

hey ginette - the new challenge will always start on a thursday night. so, go ahead and practice but please, no entries until then

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