I like these debates...beats petting the dog any day.:D
What doesn't beat petting the dog?
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Most of the mangy critters and its ok as long as its not my hand doing the petting.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Here's a quote lifted directly from P.E.T.A's website:
"People who support animal rights believe that animals are not ours to use for food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation, or any other purpose"
The bolding is mine, but there's no wiggle room there. If you subscribe to that belief set, you can't accept any human use of non-human animals. Personally, I find that mindset deluded, naive and contrary to the nature of things, but if that's what you believe, you can't accept a leash on an animal (much less a big ol' honkin' chain.)
Maybe this thread should have been snipped and moved to The Big Picture forum.
John :
Natural selection is responsible for every living thing that exists.
D3s, D500, D5300, and way more glass than the wife knows about.
I wasnt attacking you, I said I thought the wiki article was bs
Then you didnt like what I had to say, and reply that I am full of shit, implying that I just made everything up.
I take great offence to being callled a liar, especially when I keep saying again and again, that I believe the treatment of those animals is wrong, that is my opinion, how I think animals should be treated, yet I keep being told that those thoughts are wrong, then that I am lying.
I said I wanted to end my part in the argument in this thread, then you resort to isulting me.
I think we should end this before it gets anymore heated!
I didn't insult you, I assailed your argument. There's nothing wrong with BS. W/O BS we wouldn't have a political system and the whole advertising industry would go under. Imagine trying to have a discussion over some drinks w/o being able to BS. Impossible!!!!
No one has called you a liar. I merely said your argument were not based on actual experience. I would give some credence to your argument about the treatment of the animals if you actually knew how they were treated.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Here's a quote lifted directly from P.E.T.A's website:
"People who support animal rights believe that animals are not ours to use for food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation, or any other purpose"
The bolding is mine, but there's no wiggle room there. If you subscribe to that belief set, you can't accept any human use of non-human animals. Personally, I find that mindset deluded, naive and contrary to the nature of things, but if that's what you believe, you can't accept a leash on an animal (much less a big ol' honkin' chain.)
Maybe this thread should have been snipped and moved to The Big Picture forum.
PETA is bit over the top for me despite some of the good work they have done.
I'll stop eating animals when they provide a good example and stop eating other animals themselves. Until then I'm putting another brisket in the smoker and throwing some steaks on the grill. :eat
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
PETA is bit over the top for me despite some of the good work they have done.
I'll stop eating animals when they provide a good example and stop eating other animals themselves.
Racer has not identified himself as a PETA member, but his views, at least as they relate to this aspect of animal treatment, would qualify him for their club.
See, I'm of the Darwinian pursuasion. I believe if nature had not meant for me to eat critters, I would not have evolved to enjoy the way they taste. It's my nature. Some humans think there's merit in "rising above their natures." I find that amusing.
John :
Natural selection is responsible for every living thing that exists.
D3s, D500, D5300, and way more glass than the wife knows about.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I don't think Racer's a troll. I just think he's passionate in his opinion, which I happen to disagree with. I don't think it's fair to blow him off as a troll.
John :
Natural selection is responsible for every living thing that exists.
D3s, D500, D5300, and way more glass than the wife knows about.
I have allowed this thread to continue because the two topics (the photography and the treatment of captive wildlife) are appropriate to this forum. Also its been a while that we have had a spirited debate here. Wildlife photographers are a very amiable lot so we don't get to go off as much as they do in the other forums.
I will delete any posts that stray off the topic or which attempt to characterize any of our members.
I disagree with Racer's position here but that's my only disagreement. If the animals were actually being mistreated I would agree with him. If he could put forward some link, etc that supports his position I would change mine.
So feel free to discuss the issues, feel free to assail any position, but do not assail any individual.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
There was nothing wrong with the leopards teeth.. When I saw the print in 20x30 form, I too thought the lower right tooth was chipped, but it wasn't. I brought it to the attention of the park owner who had the leopard examined and found the tooth to be fine. I can only think that the saliva gives it an optical illusion.
Wow. They look almost flat and about half length in that one shot.
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What doesn't beat petting the dog?
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Depends...whose...and by whom.
Most of the mangy critters and its ok as long as its not my hand doing the petting.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Oh!...canines...well, I see now.
"People who support animal rights believe that animals are not ours to use for food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation, or any other purpose"
The bolding is mine, but there's no wiggle room there. If you subscribe to that belief set, you can't accept any human use of non-human animals. Personally, I find that mindset deluded, naive and contrary to the nature of things, but if that's what you believe, you can't accept a leash on an animal (much less a big ol' honkin' chain.)
Maybe this thread should have been snipped and moved to The Big Picture forum.
Natural selection is responsible for every living thing that exists.
D3s, D500, D5300, and way more glass than the wife knows about.
I didn't insult you, I assailed your argument. There's nothing wrong with BS. W/O BS we wouldn't have a political system and the whole advertising industry would go under. Imagine trying to have a discussion over some drinks w/o being able to BS. Impossible!!!!
No one has called you a liar. I merely said your argument were not based on actual experience. I would give some credence to your argument about the treatment of the animals if you actually knew how they were treated.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
PETA is bit over the top for me despite some of the good work they have done.
I'll stop eating animals when they provide a good example and stop eating other animals themselves. Until then I'm putting another brisket in the smoker and throwing some steaks on the grill. :eat
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Racer has not identified himself as a PETA member, but his views, at least as they relate to this aspect of animal treatment, would qualify him for their club.
See, I'm of the Darwinian pursuasion. I believe if nature had not meant for me to eat critters, I would not have evolved to enjoy the way they taste. It's my nature. Some humans think there's merit in "rising above their natures." I find that amusing.
Natural selection is responsible for every living thing that exists.
D3s, D500, D5300, and way more glass than the wife knows about.
Nice shots John!
It's beginning to look that way.
I've had to avoid three arguments myself. But...I kinda asked for two of them.
No name calling :nono
BS? yes
Names? no :nah
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Natural selection is responsible for every living thing that exists.
D3s, D500, D5300, and way more glass than the wife knows about.
I will delete any posts that stray off the topic or which attempt to characterize any of our members.
I disagree with Racer's position here but that's my only disagreement. If the animals were actually being mistreated I would agree with him. If he could put forward some link, etc that supports his position I would change mine.
So feel free to discuss the issues, feel free to assail any position, but do not assail any individual.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Natural selection is responsible for every living thing that exists.
D3s, D500, D5300, and way more glass than the wife knows about.
Wow. They look almost flat and about half length in that one shot.
Good to know!