Facebook "Like" button - several clarifications / questions

WinsomeWorks

If this needs to be merged, that's fine. I couldn't figure out which thread to put it in exactly. Ok, so I'm confused about a couple things. Here's my questions, & a note as to why I'm asking. (yeah, I realize it's a vaca wkend; I can be patient!

1. Seems that a photo can only have one "like". Is this true? 'Cuz I was logged in, then "liked" my photo. The "Like" button switched to a button showing the thumbs-up & "one person" written on it. I went off, checked my FB wall & found the post down my wall under "Recent Activity". All good; links worked correctly and all :clap. But then, I went back, logged out of SmugMug, and looked to see what happened under the photo I'd "liked". Um, it still had the same icon-- thumbs-up. When I clicked on it (remember, Smug shouldn't know who I am at this point.... I'm logged out and had hit refresh as well) it un-did my "like". I could tell because I went back to FB and the post was no longer there! So there was no way to do a second "like". Once I'd "un-liked" it, then "liked" it again, it showed the thumbs-up and "one person" & the post appeared back on my FB wall. Anyway, I'm asking all this because I thought there was some talk of a thumbnail showing up at some point if more than one person liked it. But now it appear only one person can... :scratch

2. So that's question #2-- when, if ever, are thumbs supposed to show up on the FB "like" post? To me, the whole thing is basically pointless if it's missing a thumb. No one's ever going to care a hoot about checking out our sites with an all-text post.

3. Would there not at some point be a way to "like" a whole gallery, or even category page? This could be so much more useful at times, especially if some of the above issues are true.

4. How do these site-wide FB buttons interact with the buttons some people had already installed on their pages? Are those people having to change something or un-install the buttons they had? Or do they now have 2 "like" buttons, etc.?

5. If it's still possible to install one's own buttons, and they're able to be placed on category pages on our own, is there any problem with our doing that? (not that I know how yet anyway, but theoretically...)

Thanks a mil!

Andy

Photos can have 500,000,000 likes.

No clue, on when thumbs show up, sorry - it's up to FB.

Re cat page liking, or gallery liking, not yet, the FB api doesn't allow it.

You should only have our buttons or your own, but not both, that'd be confusing.

Re placing like buttons on your cat pages, sure, try it - no idea how it works though Sorry!

WinsomeWorks

Andy wrote: »

Photos can have 500,000,000 likes.

No clue, on when thumbs show up, sorry - it's up to FB.

Re cat page liking, or gallery liking, not yet, the FB api doesn't allow it.

You should only have our buttons or your own, but not both, that'd be confusing.

Re placing like buttons on your cat pages, sure, try it - no idea how it works though Sorry!

Ok, Andy-- thanks for the info. That clears up a few things. I'm still confused though about how a photo can have more than one "like"..... because I and the unlogged-in person couldn't even put 2 "likes" on it. As I said-- after one like, there's no more "like" button, only a "thumbs-up 1 person" button??? Check it out.

Allen

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

Ok, Andy-- thanks for the info. That clears up a few things. I'm still confused though about how a photo can have more than one "like"..... because I and the unlogged-in person couldn't even put 2 "likes" on it, because after one like, there's no more "like" button, only a "thumbs-up 1 person" button???

Why not post a link to a photo here and we'll all like it and see if the thumb
eventually shows?

jfriend

Andy wrote: »

Photos can have 500,000,000 likes.

No clue, on when thumbs show up, sorry - it's up to FB.

Re cat page liking, or gallery liking, not yet, the FB api doesn't allow it.

You should only have our buttons or your own, but not both, that'd be confusing.

Re placing like buttons on your cat pages, sure, try it - no idea how it works though Sorry!

That doesn't make any sense that one cannot like a category via the FB api. You just Like an URL. It's just a web page. It could be your homepage, a category, a sub-category, a gallery or a particular image.

WinsomeWorks

I didn't get that either, John-- because if you can supposedly put the button there on your own (pretty sure I've even seen people have them on their homepage or galleries page), then, well... then you can put them there! Whatever... as soon as I find out how, I'm gonna try it on a category page. I hate it that there are no thumbs though. Why are there thumbs for other non-SmugMug sites I've liked?

WinsomeWorks

the liked photos... ta da...

Allen wrote: »

Why not post a link to a photo here and we'll all like it and see if the thumb
eventually shows?

Cute, Allen! Ok, you got it. This is embarrassing... I didn't even pick anything very special, just went eeenie meenie minie moe! Anyway, I liked this one in my PF gallery: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Portfolio/AnnaLisaYoder-PhotoFavorites/6704667_LAjfv#684756119_uT8A8 and this one in my Family at Sandy Hook gallery: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Family/Sightseeing-Excursions/Family-at-Sandy-Hook-09/10302613_DnQtz#975749620_utwK2 . On neither photo do I have see a "like" button anymore, whether I'm logged in or out. I only see the button that replaced it: "Thumbs up 1 person" and a Tweet button. Let me know if you see a regular "Like" button. Don't feel forced to actually "like" it!!

Allen

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

Cute, Allen! Ok, you got it. This is embarrassing... I didn't even pick anything very special, just went eeenie meenie minie moe! Anyway, I liked this one in my PF gallery: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Portfolio/AnnaLisaYoder-PhotoFavorites/6704667_LAjfv#684756119_uT8A8 and this one in my Family at Sandy Hook gallery: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Family/Sightseeing-Excursions/Family-at-Sandy-Hook-09/10302613_DnQtz#975749620_utwK2 . On neither photo do I have see a "like" button anymore, whether I'm logged in or out. I only see the button that replaced it: "Thumbs up 1 person" and a Tweet button. Let me know if you see a regular "Like" button. Don't feel forced to actually "like" it!!

I clicked like on the 2nd one, no thumb shows on FB, just links. Maybe it
takes a few, have to wait and see if any more show up.

WinsomeWorks

Allen wrote: »

I clicked like on the 2nd one, no thumb shows on FB, just links. Maybe it
takes a few, have to wait and see if any more show up.

So you're saying you could see a normal "like" button under the lighthouse photo? It's a photo straight-on of Sandy Hook light, most of the building as well, from the side. If you could see a "like" button on there, I wonder why I can't see one when logged out? [ETA: And now when I go back, yeah, it says "2 people" and has the thumbs-up icon. I'm very curious as to what happens if you go back to the same photo. Do you see the regular "Like" button, or not?]

Allen

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

So you're saying you could see a normal "like" button under the lighthouse photo? It's a photo straight-on of Sandy Hook light, most of the building as well, from the side. If you could see a "like" button on there, I wonder why I can't see one when logged out? [ETA: And now when I go back, yeah, it says "2 people" and has the thumbs-up icon. I'm very curious as to what happens if you go back to the same photo. Do you see the regular "Like" button, or not?]

I see 2 likes and a thumbs up.

WinsomeWorks

Allen wrote: »

I see 2 likes and a thumbs up.

Yeah, ok, so you wouldn't be able to go back and like it a second time either.... I mean, I think you mean that it says "2 people" & the thumbs-up icon. So if that's the case, I wonder if the issue is cookies. My point is that it makes sense that one person shouldn't be able to "like" a photo more than one. However, I liked it while logged into my site. So I figured the like button wouldn't know me anymore when I was logged out, and that I could like it again. But it must either remember you through cookies or through the IP address. Oh crap. I'm so stupid. I just realized it's remembering me because I'm logged in to FB. Oh brother. Yep, I bet that's it. Anyway, that's why I thought a photo couldn't be liked more than once. [ETA: Yup, that was it. Duh. I just logged out of FB, and voila! the button is back, and it also shows me "2 people" [B]beside[/B] the "Like" button now. And if I click on "like", it wants me to log in to FB. Well, I wish that lightbulb had gone on earlier!]

Andy

WinsomeWorks wrote: »

I'm still confused though about how a photo can have more than one "like".....

Anna: YOU can only like it once. But you can like it, Allen, John, Tom Dick and Harry too.

Andy

I probably misspoke on the api, sorry. Right now, we're just focused on photos, which of course lead to you to the Gallery. We'll see about more later!

woellerd

To help you out, I went to the Sandy Hook link and liked the shot. The button changed to "thumbs up, 3 people". I then came back here and then went to the link again. The button still showed the thumb 3 people, so I guess it's accurate that you can't like a photo more than once. hope that helps.

Allen

Looks like it doesn't update the number of likes on FB. Mine only shows me
liking it, not the four total. I was expecting to see "me and three others".

Andy

Allen wrote: »

Looks like it doesn't update the number of likes on FB. Mine only shows me
liking it, not the four total. I was expecting to see "me and three others".

There is this...

Allen

Andy wrote: »

There is this...

I don't see that anywhere on FB. I do see the Likes on blog is five now
though, on the manually added like button. This is all very confusing.

Andy

Al, I just searched your name in FB. What's your page on FB, i'll friend you

Allen

Andy wrote: »

Al, I just searched your name in FB. What's your page on FB, i'll friend you

Not sure what the link is other then the url to my wall.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000760892695

WinsomeWorks

Andy wrote: »

Anna: YOU can only like it once. But you can like it, Allen, John, Tom Dick and Harry too.

Yeah, I figured out what was going on, Andy-- I didn't know how the like button was knowing ME from Tom, Dick or Harry.... I thought it was because I was logged into SmugMug, but then expected different behavior when I was logged out of Smug. I then realized I was being an idiot & that it knew who I was because I was logged into FB ! I now see that different people in my household can each "like" something from the same computer, as long as they're logged in to separate FB accounts. Duh, as I said in my post last night-- post #11!

WinsomeWorks

Allen wrote: »

I don't see that anywhere on FB. I do see the Likes on blog is five now
though, on the manually added like button. This is all very confusing.

Allen, Andy is seeing that (screen shot he posted) come up when he does a general search (inside FB for the name Allen).

cptkoi

Is it me or when you post an image you get something.smugmug.com address showing as opposed to yourdomain.com address, assuming you have custom domain enabled?

Andy

cptkoi wrote: »

Is it me or when you post an image you get something.smugmug.com address showing as opposed to yourdomain.com address, assuming you have custom domain enabled?

That was a bug but we fixed it. Show me the page where you see this now?

cptkoi

Andy wrote: »

That was a bug but we fixed it. Show me the page where you see this now?

Hi Andy, cool, I removed the original link after posting as that wasnt the behaviour I was expecting. I'll give it another try now

Should it show a thumbnail or just the link?

H

Andy

cptkoi wrote: »

Hi Andy, cool, I removed the original link after posting as that wasnt the behaviour I was expecting. I'll give it another try now

Should it show a thumbnail or just the link?

H

On your wall, just a link

cptkoi

Andy wrote: »

On your wall, just a link

humph, no way of showing a thumbnail? In the pipeline?


H

Andy

cptkoi wrote: »

humph, no way of showing a thumbnail? In the pipeline?


H

It's not controllable by us, that's Facebook.

cptkoi

Andy wrote: »

It's not controllable by us, that's Facebook.

Suppose it forces you to use their gallery with that function.

A way to auto post a small/medium/large thumb would be fab as opposed to cut/paste.


H

Andy

cptkoi wrote: »

Suppose it forces you to use their gallery with that function.

A way to auto post a small/medium/large thumb would be fab as opposed to cut/paste.


H

Use Be Social>Share on Facebook and you get the thumbnails

cpagility

Andy wrote: »

It's not controllable by us, that's Facebook.

I used to cut and paste links to photos in my galleries on facebook and I would get a choice of 1-4 thumbnails.

I was told this last week - "Okay so what I'm seeing with the cutting and pasting a link into facebook is that if you have right click protection on ('Protected') in your gallery settings, facebook can't see your thumbnails and you'll get no image rotator. Until we can come up with a work around, disabling right click protection will enable you to see thumbnails on facebook."

I just disabled right click protection to check this out and I still didn't get the thumbnail image rotator on Facebook.

I only get the like button showing up if I have chosen yes to external links. If I say no to external links and yes to sharing there are no FB or Twitter buttons under the photos. If I click on the link button under the photo it counts it as a like but it doesn't post it to my FB page.

jfriend

cpagility wrote: »

I used to cut and paste links to photos in my galleries on facebook and I would get a choice of 1-4 thumbnails.

I was told this last week - "Okay so what I'm seeing with the cutting and pasting a link into facebook is that if you have right click protection on ('Protected') in your gallery settings, facebook can't see your thumbnails and you'll get no image rotator. Until we can come up with a work around, disabling right click protection will enable you to see thumbnails on facebook."

I just disabled right click protection to check this out and I still didn't get the thumbnail image rotator on Facebook.

I only get the like button showing up if I have chosen yes to external links. If I say no to external links and yes to sharing there are no FB or Twitter buttons under the photos. If I click on the link button under the photo it counts it as a like but it doesn't post it to my FB page.

Several things here. First, when you change right-click protection, FB appears to have a cache and may NOT immediately relook at the same gallery you've previously tried so nothing may change on a gallery that you just tried even if you have fixed the settings. Pick a gallery that FB has never seen, turn right-click off on it and then try that one.

Second, Smugmug has documented somewhere that external linking has to be ON in order to get the Like button to show. I'm not sure why.

Third, if you look at your Wall, not your news feed, you will see a small post that shows what you Liked. You will not see that in your own newsfeed. Your friends will see when you Like something in their newsfeed. So, if you look in the right place, it is showing up and it shows up automatically for your friends.