The dial on the 7d is stiff enough that I've only found it move occasionally once or twice (when I squeezed it into a very full bag). Do other people have a problem with it?
Mine gets bumped mysteriously between the time I put my camera in the bag, and when I pull it out. It's the kind of thing that confuses you for a minute just once in your life, provided you have an intellectual capacity greater than say a banana slug.
Mine gets bumped mysteriously between the time I put my camera in the bag, and when I pull it out. It's the kind of thing that confuses you for a minute just once in your life, provided you have an intellectual capacity greater than say a banana slug.
Mine moves all the time...particularly when shooting from the car. I really can't say how...it just does. When you are intent on your subject and already have your camera settings set...it's something that you can easily pull the trigger on and say WTF!
Happens more with the 7D than any other Canon camera I've owned. ( 40...30...20...10...D)
Mine moves all the time...particularly when shooting from the car. I really can't say how...it just does. When you are intent on your subject and already have your camera settings set...it's something that you can easily pull the trigger on and say WTF!
Happens more with the 7D than any other Canon camera I've owned. ( 40...30...20...10...D)
Interesting. I guess we all have different ways of handling our gear, different size hands, etc. I just got a 7D, so I'll have to keep in eye on that.
Mine gets bumped mysteriously between the time I put my camera in the bag, and when I pull it out. It's the kind of thing that confuses you for a minute just once in your life, provided you have an intellectual capacity greater than say a banana slug.
I don't why but I find you statement to be brilliant. I might just use it from time to time, even in a non photog context.
"....It's the kind of thing that confuses you for a minute just once in your life, provided you have an intellectual capacity greater than say a banana slug"
I don't why but I find you statement to be brilliant. I might just use it from time to time, even in a non photog context.
"....It's the kind of thing that confuses you for a minute just once in your life, provided you have an intellectual capacity greater than say a banana slug"
Joel nailed it. It happened to me a few times on a 20D when taking the camera out of the bag, but I learned to check. Now if only I could remember to pay attention to the ISO setting....
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edited December 2, 2010
PARTY LIKE IT'S 2005, CANON SHOOTERS!
(Actually, I was talking about the D200 but Nikon has used a locking mode dial for ever. Just google the film F5, etc.)
Secretly, I've always kinda snickered at the alleged "high end" pros who have to put up with the amateur-looking mode dial on the likes of the 5-series because they're not actually high end enough to afford a 1-series. Hehe!
I know, I know, them's fightin' words. Sue me.
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(Actually, I was talking about the D200 but Nikon has used a locking mode dial for ever. Just google the film F5, etc.)
Secretly, I've always kinda snickered at the alleged "high end" pros who have to put up with the amateur-looking mode dial on the likes of the 5-series because they're not actually high end enough to afford a 1-series. Hehe!
I know, I know, them's fightin' words. Sue me.
=Matt=
"alleged high end pros", or fragile egos??!! A dial fix is no fix for the latter...
(Actually, I was talking about the D200 but Nikon has used a locking mode dial for ever. Just google the film F5, etc.)
Secretly, I've always kinda snickered at the alleged "high end" pros who have to put up with the amateur-looking mode dial on the likes of the 5-series because they're not actually high end enough to afford a 1-series. Hehe!
I know, I know, them's fightin' words. Sue me.
=Matt=
I think we have a candidate for the banana slug brigade.
@ kdog
It seems every critter has its day... today it's banana slug. Looking forward to a shot from you of a cosy little congratulatory circle of said bugs on a Canon command dial, all regrettably unable to remember whether it is locked or unlocked!
I don't know how or why, but I've never had the mode dial on any of my cameras slip accidentally. I've forgotten which mode they were in plenty of times and shot in the wrong mode, but they've never slipped accidentally.
Richy, I'm with you - I could lose all of those Creative Zone modes in a heartbeat; I never use them, and I could use several more custom modes.
Kdog - YUCK!
What I said when I saw the Grand Canyon for the first time: "The wide ain't wide enough and the zoom don't zoom enough!"
Like the others that kdog called jokingly ( I hope ) lower than a banana slug, I have had my dial inadvertently changed once or twice, and it takes a second to recognize what happened. I would not want to be photographing a once in a lifetime event when that happened, so I can see both sides of the discussion.
I am not aware that the 7D is any more prone than the 40D or the 50D or whatever.
The green zones are handy sometimes, even for me. I even shoot jpgs sometimes.
For me, I do not consider the dial lacking, without a lock, but I have learned to "trust, but verify" to quote a previous President.
Like the others that kdog called jokingly ( I hope ) lower than a banana slug, I have had my dial inadvertently changed once or twice, and it takes a second to recognize what happened.
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For me, I do not consider the dial lacking, without a lock, but I have learned to "trust, but verify" to quote a previous President.
Awesome slug, my friend! The angle and DOF make it look like he's coming right out of the screen. In fact, I think he slimed my monitor!
And I did say "1 minute" in crossing the slug threshold. With a couple of seconds, you don't qualify. :nah Neither do I for that matter. :uhoh Point being, if you spin either thumb wheel and the numbers don't change in the direction you expect, the immediate reaction is to fix the mode dial. I wish everything could be that easy. I'm always getting burned by leaving AEB on, IS off, AF off, etc, (at least ISO is in the viewfinder these days. No excuse if you screw that one up. :nono). So now you've got to go through a mental checklist that would make NASA proud, just to take a picture these days. Meanwhile, while you're pressing buttons and spinning dials, your subject has wandered off to the next county already. :bash
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edited December 3, 2010
Aww, I love banana slugs! :-)
I actually agree, the bump-ability of the dial is hardly a very serious concern. Nor is it a real reason to judge the professionalism of someone. But it *IS* a symbol of amateur equipment, to me, ...and I enjoy a little light-hearted judgment-passing. ;-)
I will say, I prefer that Nikon semi-pro cameras have the exposure mode actually on the other side of the camera, on a single button, so I can change it without lifting my eye from the viewfinder. It's WAY better than the left-hand side dial, locked or not.
I read that too and thought WTF? But not owning a 5DII or a 7D, I don't know how easy it is to accidently move the dials. My 40D and especially my new S95 mode dials both require a lot of force to turn.
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...I'm always getting burned by leaving AEB on, IS off, AF off, etc, (at least ISO is in the viewfinder these days. No excuse if you screw that one up. :nono). So now you've got to go through a mental checklist that would make NASA proud, just to take a picture these days. Meanwhile, while you're pressing buttons and spinning dials, your subject has wandered off to the next county already. :bash
Ahh, I love Nikon. Switches FTW. I love having a physical switch that I can always flip and know what my setting is, even with my eyes closed. The switches for metering, AF, and focus point control are oh-so-handy...
It is weird, I'm guessing when canons marketing dept were trying to sell the board on the wisdom of putting an $8k camera sensor in a $2.5k body they had to handicap it plenty to get them to agree?
As I said I'm not sure I would use the locking feature myself for fear of forgetting it was on and breaking it. It's also very odd that they release it this late into the 5d2's product cycle!
How about increasing the exp comp a few stops or even better allowing for more than 3 shots in a bracket sequence? You know, something useful, or did the video update scare them off doing something useful.
Well said. Improved bracketing would be far more useful than a mode dial lock.
What I don't get is why Canon felt they should restrict the camera as much as they did. Yes, it's an $8K sensor in a $2.7K body... But hey, when Nikon made the $5K D3, EVERYBODY thought a D700 would be impossible. Now I guess the question will be, if Nikon takes their D3X sensor and puts it in a D800 or D700X, how much will THAT camera cost? If Nikon makes it for any less than $4K, I'm going to laugh at Canon's marketing department...
I find the issue of the mode dial moving accidentally or not, to be the side topic.
I am happy to see Canon supporting the 5D2 this far into it's life cycle, and I also hope that this is a trend for them, offering custom services for camera bodies. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" >
...I love canon for making the 5d2, it was the camera that convinced me digital was saleable (both in quality and economically) and I can work round the quirks for the price.
...Unfortunately, 100,000 other aspiring professionals drew this conclusion ~5 years ago when the 10D, 20D, and 5D mk1 came out, and they've been selling their images left and right (for dirt cheap) ever since. ;-) (Well, fortunately for them, but unfortunately for you and the rest of the full-time pro industry)
Do you ever find the nikon switches get moved? I do recall some rare comments about that happening a bit, but I figure theyre fairly tough to change accidentally. Canon could learn a few things from nikon on that. That and not being able to make the dp button an mlu button is inexcuseable. It has to be able to be done right?
Few Nikon settings are at risk of being bumped accidentally, on the upper level models with the professional control setup. Most everything is either locked, or on a button+dial, or on a pretty stiff switch. People do complain about Nikon and their love of switches, but I personally hope they never change things. Their power button has been in the same place since the 90's, so whether I'm using my $50 film N65 or a D300 / D700 / D3, I never have to worry about where the power button is. Canon, on the other hand, has changed their power button location practically every other generation. At least on the lower end models...
Amazing how a lil ol dial and a few slugs can rapidly escalate into another (friendly ) war of cliches (all wars are cliches)! Who could expect to extract the maximum potential from the latest high end gear, of whatever brand, without a learning curve, and without a period of orientation and adjustment?! In short, without some cost to the user analogous to wearing new shoes. To master something is to become comfortable with it and to feel no obstacle in exploiting it. So, those who crow about one brand have mastered that brand, and those who crow about another have mastered that. The virtue is in the capable user not so much the brand, in a similar way that the product the user is able to get from any brand is due to their skill.
I dunno about this one-dimensional gung-ho-ism applied to tech, that tech is a simple rise from better to better without any downsides. And this comes from some in the same breath as their criticisms about a megapixel fixation, or about wrong priorities, or fetishistic buttons. It's another cliche for me to say that I know of no image which is great directly and solely due to the gear used to get it. Sure, tech is exciting and absorbing, I love it , but when it comes to photography, as distinct from science, R&D and the associated marketing hype, the real world context is likely to be of more significance than the specs of the gear. And the real world context includes cost to the consumer, and that is not limitless. Let this or that brand pull this or that sensor or dial or button out of the tech hat, but if the cost of it doesn't translate into something we value it will be ignored. The explosion in popularity of the new generations of mobile phones and compact cameras is proof of this. Humans are basically conservative, we could be sucking nutrients through our skins with patches but we aren't. We're eating roast turkey just like we did a million years ago. We like pictures which move us, which have impact and which we can produce pretty immediately with easy tools to hand, whether scratched on a wall, or on a device in our pocket, or a giant flat panel diode display. But whatever the tech it's value is determined not by the specs but by something archetypal in our guts. Photography is not only tech, it's communication, and that is a whole bigger thing. That's not to say that tech can't lead communication, can't evolve the animal using it - I do believe it can! But it makes no sense I think not to acknowledge that science and tech are as exciting and absorbing as they are because of the animals we are, not because with science and tech we can merely up the ante in the specs!
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Mine moves all the time...particularly when shooting from the car. I really can't say how...it just does. When you are intent on your subject and already have your camera settings set...it's something that you can easily pull the trigger on and say WTF!
Happens more with the 7D than any other Canon camera I've owned. ( 40...30...20...10...D)
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"....It's the kind of thing that confuses you for a minute just once in your life, provided you have an intellectual capacity greater than say a banana slug"
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(Actually, I was talking about the D200 but Nikon has used a locking mode dial for ever. Just google the film F5, etc.)
Secretly, I've always kinda snickered at the alleged "high end" pros who have to put up with the amateur-looking mode dial on the likes of the 5-series because they're not actually high end enough to afford a 1-series. Hehe!
I know, I know, them's fightin' words. Sue me.
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"alleged high end pros", or fragile egos??!! A dial fix is no fix for the latter...
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It seems every critter has its day... today it's banana slug. Looking forward to a shot from you of a cosy little congratulatory circle of said bugs on a Canon command dial, all regrettably unable to remember whether it is locked or unlocked!
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I'm guessing you've never actually seen a banana slug. :wow
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Yikes!... or yum!, depending on your perversity and/or species...
But, yes, one is definitely a quorum!
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Richy, I'm with you - I could lose all of those Creative Zone modes in a heartbeat; I never use them, and I could use several more custom modes.
Kdog - YUCK!
How he ever got into the kitchen, I'll never know. Maybe he was looking for my camera.
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Like the others that kdog called jokingly ( I hope ) lower than a banana slug, I have had my dial inadvertently changed once or twice, and it takes a second to recognize what happened. I would not want to be photographing a once in a lifetime event when that happened, so I can see both sides of the discussion.
I am not aware that the 7D is any more prone than the 40D or the 50D or whatever.
The green zones are handy sometimes, even for me. I even shoot jpgs sometimes.
For me, I do not consider the dial lacking, without a lock, but I have learned to "trust, but verify" to quote a previous President.
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And I did say "1 minute" in crossing the slug threshold. With a couple of seconds, you don't qualify. :nah Neither do I for that matter. :uhoh Point being, if you spin either thumb wheel and the numbers don't change in the direction you expect, the immediate reaction is to fix the mode dial. I wish everything could be that easy. I'm always getting burned by leaving AEB on, IS off, AF off, etc, (at least ISO is in the viewfinder these days. No excuse if you screw that one up. :nono). So now you've got to go through a mental checklist that would make NASA proud, just to take a picture these days. Meanwhile, while you're pressing buttons and spinning dials, your subject has wandered off to the next county already. :bash
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I actually agree, the bump-ability of the dial is hardly a very serious concern. Nor is it a real reason to judge the professionalism of someone. But it *IS* a symbol of amateur equipment, to me, ...and I enjoy a little light-hearted judgment-passing. ;-)
I will say, I prefer that Nikon semi-pro cameras have the exposure mode actually on the other side of the camera, on a single button, so I can change it without lifting my eye from the viewfinder. It's WAY better than the left-hand side dial, locked or not.
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What I don't get is why Canon felt they should restrict the camera as much as they did. Yes, it's an $8K sensor in a $2.7K body... But hey, when Nikon made the $5K D3, EVERYBODY thought a D700 would be impossible. Now I guess the question will be, if Nikon takes their D3X sensor and puts it in a D800 or D700X, how much will THAT camera cost? If Nikon makes it for any less than $4K, I'm going to laugh at Canon's marketing department...
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I am happy to see Canon supporting the 5D2 this far into it's life cycle, and I also hope that this is a trend for them, offering custom services for camera bodies. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" >
Does Nikon even offer custom work/changes on cameras? <CRICKETS...>(crickets................) <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif" border="0" alt="" >
NOTE: Fixing broken Nikon stuff or factory defects is NOT concidered custom work, or should not be... <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/blbl.gif" border="0" alt="" >
Sorry, can't resist, you walked right into this one:
...Nikon just does things RIGHT THE FIRST TIME! </crickets...><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/blbl.gif" border="0" alt="" >
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...Unfortunately, 100,000 other aspiring professionals drew this conclusion ~5 years ago when the 10D, 20D, and 5D mk1 came out, and they've been selling their images left and right (for dirt cheap) ever since. ;-) (Well, fortunately for them, but unfortunately for you and the rest of the full-time pro industry)
Few Nikon settings are at risk of being bumped accidentally, on the upper level models with the professional control setup. Most everything is either locked, or on a button+dial, or on a pretty stiff switch. People do complain about Nikon and their love of switches, but I personally hope they never change things. Their power button has been in the same place since the 90's, so whether I'm using my $50 film N65 or a D300 / D700 / D3, I never have to worry about where the power button is. Canon, on the other hand, has changed their power button location practically every other generation. At least on the lower end models...
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Perhaps the mode dials on the 5DII and 7D can be turned accidentally a lot easier than can the mode dial on earlier cameras.
I have used a D60 (not the new 60D), 10D, 30D and 40D and have never turned the mode dial accidentally.
How about improved bracketing (5 exposures or even 7) and a lower ISO capability (ISO 50 or even ISO 25).
I dunno about this one-dimensional gung-ho-ism applied to tech, that tech is a simple rise from better to better without any downsides. And this comes from some in the same breath as their criticisms about a megapixel fixation, or about wrong priorities, or fetishistic buttons. It's another cliche for me to say that I know of no image which is great directly and solely due to the gear used to get it. Sure, tech is exciting and absorbing, I love it
Rant over! Thank you!
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