Bought two new D7000's.

EphTwoEight

Look forward to getting rid of them both. Feels like a toy in the hand. Why oh why does it take Nikon so long to put out a good new camera???

insanefred

EphTwoEight wrote: »

Look forward to getting rid of them both. Feels like a toy in the hand. Why oh why does it take Nikon so long to put out a good new camera???

Is that sarcasm?

I honestly can't recall ever holding a <$1300 DSLR that didn't feel like a toy. <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/ne_nau.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >

EphTwoEight

No.

ThatCanonGuy

I'd like to know what bodies you're used to using... if you have a couple of D3's and a 300s for backup, then you may be right. But, the D7000 would make a nice backup to a 300s. It has the best low-light APS-C sensor to date for Nikon.

What do you think of the output? Just curious how the IQ etc fairs compared to what you expected. I'm not overly familiar with nikons lineup so I'm not sure where they pitched this but I'm guessing on price somewhere close to the 60D. On that basis I would expect it not to feel fragile but not to have an extremely solid build like a 1 series. And its not just nikon us poor canonites have been waiting on a 1ds4 for a while and now the rumours are it will be in 2012! buggers the lot of them.

It was Nikon's counterpart to the 60D, and it came in at $100 less. The thing is, it totally kills the 60D; it's like what a regular upgrade to the 50D would have been. 16mp, 6fps, a really good low-light sensor (esp. if you consider that it's APS-C), and a bunch of other cool stuff I can't think of. It does have a good build, definitely better than the 60D's. Oh well, Canon destroyed the D300s with the 7D, and now Nikon's doing the same.

MarkR

ThatCanonGuy wrote: »

I'd like to know what bodies you're used to using... if you have a couple of D3's and a 300s for backup, then you may be right. But, the D7000 would make a nice backup to a 300s. It has the best low-light APS-C sensor to date for Nikon.



It was Nikon's counterpart to the 60D, and it came in at $100 less. The thing is, it totally kills the 60D; it's like what a regular upgrade to the 50D would have been. 16mp, 6fps, a really good low-light sensor (esp. if you consider that it's APS-C), and a bunch of other cool stuff I can't think of. It does have a good build, definitely better than the 60D's. Oh well, Canon destroyed the D300s with the 7D, and now Nikon's doing the same.

"Killed" and "destroyed" are probably a little strong. Modest updates that are more a result of product timing cycle than anything else.

ThatCanonGuy

"Destroyed" may be a little strong, the 7D didn't cause a bunch of Nikonians to jump ship ;~). But I don't think "killed" is. $100 less and a whole lot better in every way (unless you want two more mp, or [I forgot] the vari-angle LCD). But we'll have to see how they sell.

Photometric

EphTwoEight wrote: »

Look forward to getting rid of them both. Feels like a toy in the hand. Why oh why does it take Nikon so long to put out a good new camera???

Surprised you bought a high end consumer camera and expected any more. This is a replacement for the D90, heck not even the D300 and you're bashing it for not being a 'good new camera'? Sure, it doesn't feel professional, but you didn't buy a professional camera. With the short supply right now, how long did you wait for those 2 units?

Matthew Saville

Considering the wording and lack of response from the OP, I'm gonna go ahead and call this trolling. Even though DGrin really shouldn't "feed the trolls", I still have a couple things to say:

Judging by the fact that you bought TWO cameras, I'm almost suspecting that you were hoping to use the cameras professionally? If that is the case, I really have no sympathy for a "pro" who buys two consumer grade cameras and then complains about them being consumer grade. They are in fact the highest quality, and most "near-pro" consumer grade cameras on the market in their price range, if you consider the 7D and D300s to be true "semi-pro" camera bodies, at quite a few hundred dollars more.

So if you need more "professional" handling: on the one hand, I dare you to find a better body at that price, and on the other hand I think you should be using pro grade camera bodies anyway. Get a D300s or D700, at the very least. Or if for some reason you "need" 1080p or +12 megapixels, just wait patiently for Nikon to make a D400 or D800.

Or, if you're not a professional: again I dare you to find a better body at that price, or even within a few hundred dollars. The D7000 has a metal frame, a few seals, great AF, etc. etc. Sure it's no D3, but then again if you're a hobbyist who can afford a better camera, then by all means buy one! For the price you won't beat the quality of the D7000. Maybe a used D300, but that's it...

The bottom line here is that Nikon is not the right system for impatient people, I'm sorry. Nikon is the tortoise; and "slow and steady wins the race"... They take their time designing their cameras, but when they do release something it is the best dang product in that market, period.

For me, that's pretty much the end of this discussion. I'm sure you'll have no problem whatsoever selling your D7000's since they're such amazing cameras...

=Matt=

Internaut

I thought for a moment I was reading the dpreview forums.....

Zerodog

I wouldn't say the 7D beats the 300s in every way. In low light action, the 300s still might beat the 7d in AF accuracy and noise.

Now for the D7000? What did you expect getting it. If it is a D90 replacement, you would think that is your expectation. Not a semi pro camera. I have thought about selling the 300s and getting one. But my fear is selling a great camera just to get a little more ISO edge only kicking myself in the ass when the D400 or D800 or whatever comes next. Or that the AF is not as good. Even then, I am not sure I will sell the 300s. Just keep it as my knock around outdoor action body. I wish Nikon didn't do a bottom up release. It makes guys with great cameras feel the need to jump. But maybe it is just getting us all primed to jump as soon as the real deal is announced? Some tricky marketing mojo?

ThatCanonGuy

Whoa, I totally forgot about trolls... I thought I was on DGrin

I wouldn't say the 7D beats the 300s in every way. In low light action, the 300s still might beat the 7d in AF accuracy and noise.

I'm not really in a position to say, having used neither. I just meant the 7D came out on top judging by sales.

Matthew Saville wrote: »

Nikon is the tortoise; and "slow and steady wins the race"... They take their time designing their cameras, but when they do release something it is the best dang product in that market, period.

Yep. Except for the D1. Their company president (not sure who) in 1997 told his camera department to design and release a pro-grade DSLR. They said they'd need four years for that--he allowed them only two. And sure enuf, they released it in 1999.

But you already know that story, don't you?

EphTwoEight

Whoa, too many replies! I have a D300 that is awesome. However, we are now mostly doing video, and bought the pair to film with and thats mostly bugs me, is the 7D still does better video and with a few more options. I do like the dual SD card slots of the D7000, and the longer record times are nice, but not so impressed with the low light abilities like the 5D or even the 7D. I think I'll swap them out for the new GH2 and/or the AF100, and still use my Nikon glass.

But... the few pics I have taken with the D7K are almost better than the D300 I'd say. Some some upgraded features in the electronics are noticed right away. It just feels so small in my hand.

Please Nikon, make a 5D killer, that has maybe an optional battery grip with XLR inputs, and audio levels, and a good little preamp with 48v.

Not impressed with your auto focus, you can scrap that if it will speed things up!

Internaut

Oh, you want to do moving pictures? Panasonic GH2 with its 14-140 kit lens would, in my estimation, be the best game in town for video on the (relatively) cheap. The DSLRs can (and have been used to) create professional video but Panasonic's top end m43 product is better optimised for AF in video (including changing focal length and aperture while filming).

EphTwoEight

True. Hate the thought of it, but might make the jump.

Qarik

EphTwoEight wrote: »

Whoa, too many replies! I have a D300 that is awesome. However, we are now mostly doing video, and bought the pair to film with and thats mostly bugs me, is the 7D still does better video and with a few more options. I do like the dual SD card slots of the D7000, and the longer record times are nice, but not so impressed with the low light abilities like the 5D or even the 7D. I think I'll swap them out for the new GH2 and/or the AF100, and still use my Nikon glass.

But... the few pics I have taken with the D7K are almost better than the D300 I'd say. Some some upgraded features in the electronics are noticed right away. It just feels so small in my hand.

Please Nikon, make a 5D killer, that has maybe an optional battery grip with XLR inputs, and audio levels, and a good little preamp with 48v.

Not impressed with your auto focus, you can scrap that if it will speed things up!

Please go back under the bridge.

Matthew Saville

Qarik wrote: »

Please go back under the bridge.

I think he's got a valid point, even if it has been beaten to death on other forums. Nikon still lacks a fully professional camera body that records good 1080p video.

Of course, as we mentioned, the reply is as follows: Nikon takes things slow, and unfortunately, EphTwoEight, if you're even a little bit impatient then Nikon will ALWAYS frustrate you. They are just slower to release products. Learn to live with it, or add another system to your bag. No biggie!

However, rest assured that when Nikon makes a D700 replacement or D300 replacement, with 1080p video, it will indeed be an awesome camera.

Personally, I can wait. I don't care much about video. But if you can't wait, well, the 5D mk2 and the 7D are stellar cameras. I shoot with both of them quite often, and I have no problem recommending them to a video shooter.

For me, that's the end of the discussion. Good luck!

=Matt=

basflt

for me , they can remove the video- thing all completely
i bought a photo-camera , not a video-camera

further more , nothing wrong with (any) Nikon

if a D7000 feels like a toy , buy 2 D3x' s

Art Scott

Maybe Op should be looking into RED..........

EphTwoEight

Qarik wrote: »

Please go back under the bridge.

And Merry Christmas to you too FF!!:boid

EphTwoEight

Art Scott wrote: »

Maybe Op should be looking into RED..........

I have been, and they too are really dragging their asses.

EphTwoEight

Matthew Saville wrote: »

However, rest assured that when Nikon makes a D700 replacement or D300 replacement, with 1080p video, it will indeed be an awesome camera.

=Matt=

True!

ziggy53

I have a Canon 5D MKII and the AF is still not acceptable for many video applications. I bought a Canon Vixia HF S11 and the AF is much better overall and extremely suitable for video work. Coupled with the ability to do long format video, 6 hours to over 12 hours in the Vixia versus 12 minutes for the 5D MKII, the Vixia is capable of doing a long wedding ceremony effortlessly.

The Nikon 3Ds can produce extremely smooth looking 720p even in very low light levels. Many viewers consider it much superior to the 5D MKII in this regard and more suitable for "indie" video in very low light.

I had a chance to see the Nikon D7000 in action and to review the video. The AF of the D7000 is about the best AF I have seen in a video-capable-dSLR and the low light quality is very nice too. While it's not a replacement for a FF camera it is extremely nice in its price point.

I believe that the Canon 550D/T2i is the most highly specified video-capable-dSLR in the entry level category.

I did get to see first hand a full-blown documentary video from the RED One, I believe it was edited at Full Sail University, and the video quality was truly spectacular.

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My point is that there is a great selection of video acquisition equipment available at almost any price range. The Nikon D7000 is pretty competent and "can" produce excellent video if you simply shoot inside the design parameters.

I'm not sure that I would consider any Canon dSLR as absolutely superior when it's used for video applications.

EphTwoEight

ziggy53 wrote: »

My point is that there is a great selection of video acquisition equipment available at almost any price range. The Nikon D7000 is pretty competent and "can" produce excellent video if you simply shoot inside the design parameters.

I'm not sure that I would consider any Canon dSLR as absolutely superior when it's used for video applications.

The 5D is being used in major production films now, as well as several TV shows, and lots of indie film makers and documentaries are being shot on the dSLRs now for two reasons that even my $5K HPX or EX1 cannot do, low light, and DOF.

We went from this

to this,

ziggy53

Both nice rigs.

Like I said, I have the 5D MKII myself and I love it for what it can do, but it doesn't do everything perfectly. I appreciate having different tools so that I can use the right tool for the particular job at hand.

My background includes over 25 years of corporate video and I've used everything from Ampex 1" open-reel B+W through my current 2 cameras capable of full-HD, 1080-60i and 1080-30p.

I love this stuff and I love living in this time.

BTW, did you see that Magic Lantern has done some experiments with the 5D MKII and 70Mbps, h.264? They claim to be able to sustain 66 Mbps in 24p. I haven't tried it myself.

EphTwoEight

Yes, that's what I'm talking about! (too bad for the 7D though) It can be done, yet the Mfg'ers don't want to put that kinda thing out?

No intention of trolling, but these manufactures have to read these forums, and when guys come on here a say, "I don't care about video!" yet them big sensors are ideal for video work. Let's hope they make a video related DSLR that kicks butt over $5k-10k video cameras!

EphTwoEight

You may be on to something Richy.

EphTwoEight

Ah getting close to something cool!

http://gizmodo.com/5718347/nikon-patent-could-lead-to-dslr-moviemaking-dream-lens

WinsomeWorks

EphTwoEight wrote: »

Look forward to getting rid of them both. Feels like a toy in the hand. Why oh why does it take Nikon so long to put out a good new camera???

Well, I would just love one if you're really bent on getting rid of them. I could find lots & lots, many, multiple, frequent ways to use one and would not cry about it at all. FYI, I have roughly no money. Live in Eastern PA? I do massage therapy. Will trade. Or... what kind of baked goods do you like?! Baked items every week for a couple years? Note Bene: I'm still shooting w/ a D1x. Yep. So, you see where I'm at here.

MileHighAko

EphTwoEight wrote: »

Look forward to getting rid of them both. Feels like a toy in the hand. Why oh why does it take Nikon so long to put out a good new camera???

Interesting thread. I'm not into video much, but understand now why you're disappointed. Of course I am surprised you would buy two of them without knowing what you were getting. Seems like a waste of money.

Of course you should be able to resell them pretty easily. Amazon finally has a continuous stock of them, as do others, so you might want to sell them fast if you want to get your money back. I suggest you apply the firmware update that came out this past week to motivate buyers.

EphTwoEight

True, but I dont do windows, so they can update them. Got rid of one today, still thinking about selling the other, as for stills, its great!

ThatCanonGuy

This isn't trolling, the OP bought a newly release DSLR that everyone was raving about, and just didn't like the feel and the video capabilities. So potential D7000 video buyers are now warned. Not to say the video is bad, just that some people may not like it. That's all.