And those of us who don't FB are left out in the cold. Nice.... Some are ol' school, please don't forget this Andy.
This had crossed my mind as well, but I think the world has started to move on. During the Super Bowl the majority of commercials did not list a website, they listed a Facebook page. I think many mainstream businesses are realizing that the place to be is Facebook. Be that good, or be that bad...
Not saying people should completely to Facebook, or that there is anything wrong with sticking to those old school guns...just that many of the future opportunities of the web are going to happen on social networking sites like Facebook, or Foursquare, or Twitter, or whatever the next big thing is.
And those of us who don't FB are left out in the cold. Nice.... Some are ol' school, please don't forget this Andy.
Sorry you feel that way, Seymore! It's free, costs you nothing, you can set privacy options and you don't have to friend anyone. Just "like" SmugMug's page - how hard is that? I simply cannot understand this argument.
Sorry you feel that way, Seymore! It's free, costs you nothing, you can set privacy options and you don't have to friend anyone. Just "like" SmugMug's page - how hard is that? I simply cannot understand this argument.
It does cost.
If you can't see the cost it's because you're the product being sold.
I don't like being marketed or sold. I can do my own marketing, thank you.
Just "like" SmugMug's page - how hard is that? I simply cannot understand this argument.
At the Risk of sounding like a FB fan boy......
I ain't hard! And it doesn't cost ya a thing! In fact, Fb is where I get lots of info about corporate give-aways, deals and all sorts of goodies.
SmugMug is a Huge fav of mine because they are always giving things away, linking to photographers they like and generally the SM FB page appears to be just this side of a party!
I've gotten pretty good a checkin' SM's FB page, but I'll say thanks (To Andy!) for posting here just in case for those of us that DO care!
Sorry you feel that way, Seymore! It's free, costs you nothing, you can set privacy options and you don't have to friend anyone. Just "like" SmugMug's page - how hard is that? I simply cannot understand this argument.
Well, Andy.... It's not free, neither is my time and you're acting like I have nothing better to do with my time but to sign up to ANOTHER service. Well, why not offer it HERE? This is where the real photographers live. FB is just another gimmick (granted what society is selling) but I should not have to sign up for another service to play the game that SM is offering. What, SM "needs" FB to give stuff away? Please rethink this strategy. Outward appearance can make what is really happening behind closed doors look quite fishy.
If you can't see the cost it's because you're the product being sold.
I don't like being marketed or sold. I can do my own marketing, thank you.
Well stated! I concur! I hate it when one expectation leads to another, as such by SM. I already signed up here and don't see the sense in the requirement to sign up for another service where I don't attend regularly and have no need to sign up. So what if society expects this, do you do EVERYTHING that society expects? (rhetorical)
As for these offerings, SM is not looking good in my eyes when expectations require one to go beyond the original expectation. A bit biased IMPO.
I could go on and on and on but you get the point. Facebook, 500,000,000 and growing. We're focusing a lot of our news delivery and other stuff via this amazing business channel.
Outward appearance can make what is really happening behind closed doors look quite fishy.
Hey Seymore, I don't understand this backhanded statement, can you please state what you mean in plain English? And if you're making an accusation, then do so with something to back it up.
Yup, and nobody is forcing you to enter it's totally your choice, thanks!
Wasn't gonna enter, Andy. Was just correcting your statement that FB is "free." Am still waiting for you to start offering these giveaways on dgrin.com, where I'd prefer to see them and which really is "free."
We have awesome photogs on Dgrin, yes. And many, many of them also are on Facebook, as well as world-famous ones, too.
So, if I join SM, FB, Twitter and all the other you want me to join, that will make me a PRO? Sorry Andy, your mentality doesn't fly and your excuse seems as just that.... an excuse, to justify the ends. You'll have to do better than that!
I could go on and on and on but you get the point. Facebook, 500,000,000 and growing. We're focusing a lot of our news delivery and other stuff via this amazing business channel.
Hey Seymore, I don't understand this backhanded statement, can you please state what you mean in plain English? And if you're making an accusation, then do so with something to back it up.
What, you don't have a site where you can report the "news"? You want everyone to get lost in FB? So what if I'm 500,000,001, maybe I don't want to! Ever think of that in the staff meeting where you decide the offering for these free items?
What a farce Andy, and a poor representation of marketing you express.
And to reiterate (with the chance of sounding like a skipping record.... remember those?)...
"And those of us who don't FB are left out in the cold. Nice...."
"Well, why not offer it HERE? This is where the real photographers live and learn."
So, if I join SM, FB, Twitter and all the other you want me to join, that will make me a PRO? Sorry Andy, your mentality doesn't fly and your excuse seems as just that.... an excuse, to justify the ends. You'll have to do better than that!
Now you're baiting and being silly, I never said any such thing.
What, you don't have a site where you can report the "news"? You want everyone to get lost in FB? So what if I'm 500,000,001, maybe I don't want to! Ever think of that in the staff meeting where you decide the offering for these free items?
We do. http://news.smugmug.com and we promote the posts on FB & Twitter, because that's where so many people are.
What a farce Andy, and a poor representation of marketing you express.
And to reiterate (with the chance of sounding like a skipping record.... remember those?)...
"And those of us who don't FB are left out in the cold. Nice...."
"Well, why not offer it HERE? This is where the real photographers live and learn."
If you don't Like the facebook page you don't get to be in on it. Sorry
Seymore, you clearly aren't gonna go there. I'm not going to argue on this anymore with you. Have a nice day
One last thing... Seems to me that SM marketing is backwards and upside down. The FB page should be drawing people to SM and DGRIN, not the other way around. This is where the stuff SM offers are truly appreciated. Again... me thinks that it's time for a marketing re-hash or re-training.
One last thing... Seems to me that SM marketing is backwards and upside down. The FB page should be drawing people to SM and DGRIN, not the other way around. This is where the stuff SM offers is truly appreciated. Again... me thinks that it's time for a marketing re-hash or re-training.
Good lord, man! Get a grip. No bag for you!!!
When you start a site that's more successful than dgrin and smugmug, then maybe you'll be able to speak with credibility on marketing approaches. Until then...
I already signed up here and don't see the sense in the requirement to sign up for another service where I don't attend regularly and have no need to sign up.
There's no requirement, Seymore. Don't do it.
I'm kind of floored that you would turn a generous giveaway on the part of SmugMug into some nefarious and underhanded scheme. They're giving stuff away. They get to choose the venue. Participate or don't. End of story.
Heck I hate facebook myself.. but I still use it.. it is a great way to get out information and connect with people, and increase awareness. I'm trying to find ways to use it better myself.. even though I hate it..
Hey if people don't want to play by the rules, then don't.. But don't expect to win then. They are giving something away for free - I say they can do that any way they feel like, including using that dang Facebook.. It's a great way to draw attention to the products (SmugMug and the camera bags)
The ironic thing is that this link goes to The Huffington Post, which was just purchased by AOL yesterday. Who also happens to own many other content sights such as lifehacker.com, engadget.com, etc...
I also rarely email, as with Facebook it is easier to send out group messages. I also don't get spam messages on my FB. (However, my Facebook News Feed is another story!)
I'm sure 15 years ago people probably felt the same way about having to get involved with email for business when the telephone still worked perfectly fine. Times change, business changes, communication changes...
Here's to hoping my lucky number gets rolled on this giveaway!
Hopefully its just water that'll dry out and it will be happy again, haha. I went out in the blizzard with it, although it worked for 2 days afterward.
Hopefully its just water that'll dry out and it will be happy again, haha. I went out in the blizzard with it, although it worked for 2 days afterward.
Put it into a plastic container with some rice in the bottom, the camera sitting on something to keep it out of the rice, and the seal the lid. The rice will help to draw the moisture out of the air in the container and dry the camera out quicker before any corrosion can happen, hopefully.
If you can't see the cost it's because you're the product being sold.
I don't like being marketed or sold. I can do my own marketing, thank you.
Sorry but you do realize you're marketed and sold every time you use a credit card, debit card, coupon, discount card, etc.? FB isn't the first and certainly won't be the last to capitalize on us from personal information.
So, if I join SM, FB, Twitter and all the other you want me to join, that will make me a PRO? Sorry Andy, your mentality doesn't fly and your excuse seems as just that.... an excuse, to justify the ends. You'll have to do better than that!
What, you don't have a site where you can report the "news"? You want everyone to get lost in FB? So what if I'm 500,000,001, maybe I don't want to! Ever think of that in the staff meeting where you decide the offering for these free items?
What a farce Andy, and a poor representation of marketing you express.
And to reiterate (with the chance of sounding like a skipping record.... remember those?)...
"And those of us who don't FB are left out in the cold. Nice...."
"Well, why not offer it HERE? This is where the real photographers live and learn."
Wow! Quite upset at SM for giving something away! Not sure I follow your reasoning...
You're angry at SM because they're giving something away for free but, in order to participate in the giveaway, you have to join FB. Ok, you don't like FB, that's your choice, just like it's SM's choice to do the giveaway via FB.
Lasts time I checked, FB has 500 MILLION subscribers. Not sure what DGrinn has in the way of subscribers but I'll go out on a limb here and make a wild guess that it's something less than 500 million. So, with this being understood, not sure why you feel it makes more sense for SM to market to fewer people when they can easily market to a much larger audience for free.
If you don't like it being offered there, I can understand, but to attack SM because that's where they choose to do the giveaway makes absolutely no sense. It makes even LESS sense to attack their marketing since (obviously) it makes more sense for them to market via FB if you go on the sheer numbers of potential people in that audience.
Choices..You get choices in this lifetime. There is huge affinity for nostalgia, history or the Old-School Way. But to not welcome change, to not grow is to be left behind and celebrated (if at all), as a part of the past.
FB is in mid stream, it won't be too long before it'll be on the down-slide and another will find it's way to the top and if you really really want to connect with the young you have to be waiting at that door to open it for them, or at least get in the sled a ride with 'em, celebrate with them and be a part.
It's interesting that the arguments in favor of Facebook all come down to - "500,000,000 people use it!" Didn't mom say something about people jumping off of a bridge?
Facebook has some of the most heinous corporate practices of any company in the modern era. They unashamedly sell your private information and violate their own terms of service regularly.
But - it's a free country. Lots of people choose to sign up for Facebook. A handful of us choose not to. If Smugmug chooses to run a contest on Facebook only, we don't get to participate. That's the price we pay for choosing not to be involved with Facebook. I'm not sure we should ask or expect Smugmug to ignore a venue with 99% of their customers (and millions of potential customers) for the sake of a venue (DGrin) that probably involves <20% of their customers and almost 0 potential customers.
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This had crossed my mind as well, but I think the world has started to move on. During the Super Bowl the majority of commercials did not list a website, they listed a Facebook page. I think many mainstream businesses are realizing that the place to be is Facebook. Be that good, or be that bad...
Not saying people should completely to Facebook, or that there is anything wrong with sticking to those old school guns...just that many of the future opportunities of the web are going to happen on social networking sites like Facebook, or Foursquare, or Twitter, or whatever the next big thing is.
Cheers!
Sorry you feel that way, Seymore! It's free, costs you nothing, you can set privacy options and you don't have to friend anyone. Just "like" SmugMug's page - how hard is that? I simply cannot understand this argument.
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It does cost.
If you can't see the cost it's because you're the product being sold.
I don't like being marketed or sold. I can do my own marketing, thank you.
Yup, and nobody is forcing you to enter
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At the Risk of sounding like a FB fan boy......
I ain't hard! And it doesn't cost ya a thing! In fact, Fb is where I get lots of info about corporate give-aways, deals and all sorts of goodies.
SmugMug is a Huge fav of mine because they are always giving things away, linking to photographers they like and generally the SM FB page appears to be just this side of a party!
I've gotten pretty good a checkin' SM's FB page, but I'll say thanks (To Andy!) for posting here just in case for those of us that DO care!
So......I just like free stuff!:D
Well, Andy.... It's not free, neither is my time and you're acting like I have nothing better to do with my time but to sign up to ANOTHER service. Well, why not offer it HERE? This is where the real photographers live. FB is just another gimmick (granted what society is selling) but I should not have to sign up for another service to play the game that SM is offering. What, SM "needs" FB to give stuff away? Please rethink this strategy. Outward appearance can make what is really happening behind closed doors look quite fishy.
Well stated! I concur! I hate it when one expectation leads to another, as such by SM. I already signed up here and don't see the sense in the requirement to sign up for another service where I don't attend regularly and have no need to sign up. So what if society expects this, do you do EVERYTHING that society expects? (rhetorical)
As for these offerings, SM is not looking good in my eyes when expectations require one to go beyond the original expectation. A bit biased IMPO.
We have awesome photogs on Dgrin, yes. And many, many of them also are on Facebook, as well as world-famous ones, too.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Big-Life-Foundation/154399394571751
http://www.facebook.com/#!/andybiggstx
http://www.facebook.com/#!/DawnMcCarthyPhotography
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1373513949
http://www.facebook.com/#!/treyratcliff
I could go on and on and on but you get the point. Facebook, 500,000,000 and growing. We're focusing a lot of our news delivery and other stuff via this amazing business channel. Hey Seymore, I don't understand this backhanded statement, can you please state what you mean in plain English? And if you're making an accusation, then do so with something to back it up.
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Wasn't gonna enter, Andy. Was just correcting your statement that FB is "free."
So, if I join SM, FB, Twitter and all the other you want me to join, that will make me a PRO? Sorry Andy, your mentality doesn't fly and your excuse seems as just that.... an excuse, to justify the ends. You'll have to do better than that!
What, you don't have a site where you can report the "news"? You want everyone to get lost in FB? So what if I'm 500,000,001, maybe I don't want to! Ever think of that in the staff meeting where you decide the offering for these free items?
What a farce Andy, and a poor representation of marketing you express.
And to reiterate (with the chance of sounding like a skipping record.... remember those?)...
"Well, why not offer it HERE? This is where the real photographers live and learn."
Now you're baiting and being silly, I never said any such thing. We do. http://news.smugmug.com and we promote the posts on FB & Twitter, because that's where so many people are.
If you don't Like the facebook page you don't get to be in on it. Sorry
Seymore, you clearly aren't gonna go there. I'm not going to argue on this anymore with you. Have a nice day
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EOT...
When you start a site that's more successful than dgrin and smugmug, then maybe you'll be able to speak with credibility on marketing approaches. Until then...
Link to my Smugmug site
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the changing face of communications....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/08/email-use-teens_n_820121.html
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My kids (24, 23, 19, 11) all FB me when they want something. My trainer (late 20s) only texts or FBs me. Definitely a sea-change happening before us.
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There's no requirement, Seymore. Don't do it.
I'm kind of floored that you would turn a generous giveaway on the part of SmugMug into some nefarious and underhanded scheme. They're giving stuff away. They get to choose the venue. Participate or don't. End of story.
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Hey if people don't want to play by the rules, then don't.. But don't expect to win then. They are giving something away for free - I say they can do that any way they feel like, including using that dang Facebook.. It's a great way to draw attention to the products (SmugMug and the camera bags)
I'm in...
The ironic thing is that this link goes to The Huffington Post, which was just purchased by AOL yesterday. Who also happens to own many other content sights such as lifehacker.com, engadget.com, etc...
I also rarely email, as with Facebook it is easier to send out group messages. I also don't get spam messages on my FB. (However, my Facebook News Feed is another story!)
I'm sure 15 years ago people probably felt the same way about having to get involved with email for business when the telephone still worked perfectly fine. Times change, business changes, communication changes...
Here's to hoping my lucky number gets rolled on this giveaway!
Hopefully its just water that'll dry out and it will be happy again, haha. I went out in the blizzard with it, although it worked for 2 days afterward.
Put it into a plastic container with some rice in the bottom, the camera sitting on something to keep it out of the rice, and the seal the lid. The rice will help to draw the moisture out of the air in the container and dry the camera out quicker before any corrosion can happen, hopefully.
Sorry but you do realize you're marketed and sold every time you use a credit card, debit card, coupon, discount card, etc.? FB isn't the first and certainly won't be the last to capitalize on us from personal information.
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You're angry at SM because they're giving something away for free but, in order to participate in the giveaway, you have to join FB. Ok, you don't like FB, that's your choice, just like it's SM's choice to do the giveaway via FB.
Lasts time I checked, FB has 500 MILLION subscribers. Not sure what DGrinn has in the way of subscribers but I'll go out on a limb here and make a wild guess that it's something less than 500 million. So, with this being understood, not sure why you feel it makes more sense for SM to market to fewer people when they can easily market to a much larger audience for free.
If you don't like it being offered there, I can understand, but to attack SM because that's where they choose to do the giveaway makes absolutely no sense. It makes even LESS sense to attack their marketing since (obviously) it makes more sense for them to market via FB if you go on the sheer numbers of potential people in that audience.
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Choices..You get choices in this lifetime. There is huge affinity for nostalgia, history or the Old-School Way. But to not welcome change, to not grow is to be left behind and celebrated (if at all), as a part of the past.
FB is in mid stream, it won't be too long before it'll be on the down-slide and another will find it's way to the top and if you really really want to connect with the young you have to be waiting at that door to open it for them, or at least get in the sled a ride with 'em, celebrate with them and be a part.
Cheers!
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Facebook has some of the most heinous corporate practices of any company in the modern era. They unashamedly sell your private information and violate their own terms of service regularly.
But - it's a free country. Lots of people choose to sign up for Facebook. A handful of us choose not to. If Smugmug chooses to run a contest on Facebook only, we don't get to participate. That's the price we pay for choosing not to be involved with Facebook. I'm not sure we should ask or expect Smugmug to ignore a venue with 99% of their customers (and millions of potential customers) for the sake of a venue (DGrin) that probably involves <20% of their customers and almost 0 potential customers.
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