I don't know...I think ALO could be the culprit here. The "light leak" fuss is over metering, not light hitting the actual sensor. The Av exposure should have been different between your two shots if the "light leak" was affecting metering. Identical exposures and a VERY minimal shift in the histogram points to a scene change or in-camera wizardry.
I think there may in fact be a "light leak" that affects metering in situations where a manual exposure is more appropriate(astrophotography, etc), but it definitely has no perceptible affect on normal, everyday professional use. I don't shoot lens caps, lens targets, or any such voodoo...after 4 professional shoots with the 5D3 I can say it has the best and most reliable Canon metering to date(particularly when used with high ALO and DPP).
The fuss might be a non-issue considering how we use our cameras. Some interesting test results from Canonrumors, but we still don't have a definite explanation of the cause.
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shot a College Lacrosse game on Friday night about two hours after receiving the camera. AF absolutely rocks.
It is FAR better than what my copy of the 7D was doing and I haven't even learned it yet.
shot a College Lacrosse game on Friday night about two hours after receiving the camera. AF absolutely rocks.
It is FAR better than what my copy of the 7D was doing and I haven't even learned it yet.
This is going to be a fun process.
the 5DmkIII AF is FAR better than the 7D ? that's surprising
the 5DmkIII AF is FAR better than the 7D ? that's surprising
I'm seeing that basic premise of AF improvement over most previous Canon prosumer bodies. The 5D MKIII appears to be especially improved over previous 5D MKII and 7D in lower light. (The Canon 7D is still rated pretty good in good light. The 5D MKII is "conditionally" OK in good light, and it benefits greatly from a flash with AF Assist using One Shot mode in lower light, from my own testing.)
This is all very good news for 5D MKIII owners and prospects. clap
I'm still looking for a consensus from professional sports photographers, but it's pretty early in the life of the 5D MKIII.
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Maybe it's situational (reflections off the snow, and a +2/3 EV compensation), but I'm impressed that with such strong backlighting, their faces are well exposed, skies are blue, etc.
I'm seeing that basic premise of AF improvement over most previous Canon prosumer bodies. The 5D MKIII appears to be especially improved over previous 5D MKII and 7D in lower light. (The Canon 7D is still rated pretty good in good light. The 5D MKII is "conditionally" OK in good light, and it benefits greatly from a flash with AF Assist using One Shot mode in lower light, from my own testing.)
This is all very good news for 5D MKIII owners and prospects. clap
I'm still looking for a consensus from professional sports photographers, but it's pretty early in the life of the 5D MKIII.
I shot youth sports professionally on the side for 3 years with a 1DIIN and 40D, then a 7D and 5D2. My opinion of all that AF is that the 7D in practical use was about as good as the 1DIIN, and that the center point of the 5D2 was very good, maybe just 10-15% behind the others, and better than the 40D. But only using the center point was not optimal. From my experience with the 5D3 so far on my personal time, shooting some skiing and my kids running around, the AF seems noticeably and pleasingly better than any of my previous cameras, in every regard. It is very accurate and confidence inspiring. I'm very satisfied with it. I no longer lust for a 1DIV.
Did couple 100 shots with the 5D2 today... it was in Manual mode all day, IS off, manual focus and every shot (with multiple wireless speedlites) was magnificent. Under these controlled conditions I can't believe it can be beat, so I'll "never" replace it It's the 7D that might get replaced when I find out what to do with loss of crop factor...
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Did couple 100 shots with the 5D2 today... it was in Manual mode all day, IS off, manual focus and every shot (with multiple wireless speedlites) was magnificent. Under these controlled conditions I can't believe it can be beat, so I'll "never" replace it It's the 7D that might get replaced when I find out what to do with loss of crop factor...
Yes, below ISO 1600, there is no IQ advantage to the 5D3 over the 5D2 if AF and FPS are not a major concern.
Yeah diva, 7D is not dead, sorry! It is the best APS-C camera ever, if action is concerned. (and/or an investment in Canon lenses) And no way a $3500 cam replaces a $1700 cam for value. I will probably get my just deserts when it comes time to shoot field sports with my 5D3 and 70-200, now that I have sold my 7D. I guess I will first try adjusting my shooting strategy, and failing that, buy a 1.4x TC Mk III.
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Alright, after a decent amount of testing, I have something to put forth for your consideration / discussion:
Scenario - 5D mk3 vs 5D mk2, 70-200 L IS mk1 and 24-70 L, One-Shot AF
Hypothesis - AF on the 5D mk3 seems to take a split second extra to confirm and lock focus, especially on darker subjects
Obviously the 5D mk3 has a WAY higher keeper rate no matter what, in any light. I'd say the 5D mk2's keeper rate, when shooting hand-held at fast apertures and medium-close distances, was 50-75% at best. The 5D mk3 takes that to 90-95%.
The 5D mk3 hunts less, and knows where to "start" when it comes to focusing. Focus always snaps RIGHT to the subject, however then it seems to take a split second longer than the 5D mk2 to confirm / beep, to LOCK. Maybe this is just the cost of far greater accuracy? Maybe the 5D mk2 is "confirming" focus so quickly simply because it's not being as precise, and often mis-focusing?
I'd love to know if anyone else can do a similar test and let me know what they think.
Again I'm shooting in One-Shot AF, (Beep-and-stop) in indoor / poor light. In bright sun the 5D mk3 seems to snap to focus confirmation just as fast as the 5D mk2. But say indoors in ISO ~3200 light, try focusing on something that is black but still has lots of texture. (Black camera bag?)
I've tried fiddling around with all the different focus points, including spot, point, 5/9 clusters, etc. That doesn't seem to increase the snappiness, although the most likely candidate to make me THINK it might be faste would be 5-point cluster AF. Need to do more testing though.
I'm about to add my D700 + 24-70 to the experiment; I'll report back later...
Alright, after a decent amount of testing, I have something to put forth for your consideration / discussion:
Scenario - 5D mk3 vs 5D mk2, 70-200 L IS mk1 and 24-70 L, One-Shot AF
Hypothesis - AF on the 5D mk3 seems to take a split second extra to confirm and lock focus, especially on darker subjects
=Matt=
Did you read page 97 of the manual yet? It might help but I don't know. And the 70-200 F4 doesn't get cross type AF... although I think you have the 2.8.
Otherwise I can't confirm anything mine is in the mail still Either way, the MKII would have a decent chance that it wouldn't get the shot anyway in the situation, lol
Did you read page 97 of the manual yet? It might help but I don't know. And the 70-200 F4 doesn't get cross type AF... although I think you have the 2.8.
Otherwise I can't confirm anything mine is in the mail still Either way, the MKII would have a decent chance that it wouldn't get the shot anyway in the situation, lol
I hadn't read that part of the manual yet, but yep I'm familiar with "release priority" and I think that if it is anything like the "release priority" that I've been accustomed to on Nikon, it will not help speed up the camera, it will just allow me to click a shot before focus is fully confirmed. :-(
Do any of you mkIII'ers miss the red LED focus point indicator (confo blink) in the viewfinder? Does anything at all show up in there as you take a shot?
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Do any of you mkIII'ers miss the red LED focus point indicator (confo blink) in the viewfinder? Does anything at all show up in there as you take a shot?
Yeah, that was another one of the first things we noticed. It only turns red on focus CONFIRMATION, not every time you hit the shutter half-way, like before. NOT cool, dunno why Canon changed that.
Alright, after a decent amount of testing, I have something to put forth for your consideration / discussion:
Scenario - 5D mk3 vs 5D mk2, 70-200 L IS mk1 and 24-70 L, One-Shot AF
Hypothesis - AF on the 5D mk3 seems to take a split second extra to confirm and lock focus, especially on darker subjects
Obviously the 5D mk3 has a WAY higher keeper rate no matter what, in any light. I'd say the 5D mk2's keeper rate, when shooting hand-held at fast apertures and medium-close distances, was 50-75% at best. The 5D mk3 takes that to 90-95%.
The 5D mk3 hunts less, and knows where to "start" when it comes to focusing. Focus always snaps RIGHT to the subject, however then it seems to take a split second longer than the 5D mk2 to confirm / beep, to LOCK. Maybe this is just the cost of far greater accuracy? Maybe the 5D mk2 is "confirming" focus so quickly simply because it's not being as precise, and often mis-focusing?
I'd love to know if anyone else can do a similar test and let me know what they think.
Again I'm shooting in One-Shot AF, (Beep-and-stop) in indoor / poor light. In bright sun the 5D mk3 seems to snap to focus confirmation just as fast as the 5D mk2. But say indoors in ISO ~3200 light, try focusing on something that is black but still has lots of texture. (Black camera bag?)
I've tried fiddling around with all the different focus points, including spot, point, 5/9 clusters, etc. That doesn't seem to increase the snappiness, although the most likely candidate to make me THINK it might be faste would be 5-point cluster AF. Need to do more testing though.
I'm about to add my D700 + 24-70 to the experiment; I'll report back later...
=Matt=
It didn't take more than a few seconds to notice that the D700 doesn't have this problem with focus confirmation, at least not with the Nikon 24-70 2.8. Even when focusing on light-sponge, near-black objects in the shadowy corners of a dimly lit room, it still snaps and beeps without that slight hesitation. The 5D mk3 would still focus accurately in these situations, but it would definitely hesitate a little before confirming focus. I will take my D700 + 24-70 into the studio tomorrow for more testing...
I'm starting to worry that maybe Canon has done what Nikon did with their new AFS-G f/1.4 primes - sacrifice a tiny bit of speed in favor of extreme accuracy. I don't want to start an all-out flame war, but one thing that does come to mind is that the 1DX could be delayed for autofocus-related reasons. Yikes!
Again, if anyone else can test this and confirm that they notice any difference at all in what I would call "a slight hesitation in confirming / locking focus" when shooting in One-Shot AF on a decent L lens. (The 24-70 seems to be the snappiest sample, snappier than the 70-200 2.8 L IS mk1) It didn't seem to matter whether I used spot, point, or cluster point AF, and from what I hear the "Case 1 / Case 2" AF options are only for AI-Servo. The test I performed was simply racking focus between a nearby, (~6 ft) brightly lit object to a further away, (~15 ft) dark and shaded object that still contained significant texture patterns. Not too bad at 70mm on the 24-70 L, a little worse on the 70-200 at 70mm, and downright "hesitant" at 200mm. (But again I must stress, VERY accurate and consistent)
Yeah, that was another one of the first things we noticed. It only turns red on focus CONFIRMATION, not every time you hit the shutter half-way, like before. NOT cool, dunno why Canon changed that.
Thanks, Matt. Good to know it does have confo. The early reviews I've read seem to indicate it has no red anything. I assume the confo beep is still also available, if desired.
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Thanks, Matt. Good to know it does have confo. The early reviews I've read seem to indicate it has no red anything. I assume the confo beep is still also available, if desired.
To turn on AF point illumination, it is an option in the AF menu or the CFN menu somewhere. I specifically remember turning it from "auto" (the default) to "on"...
And yes, you have the "beep" which I personally prefer, although it drives my other pro friends crazy lol...
I'm starting to worry that maybe Canon has done what Nikon did with their new AFS-G f/1.4 primes - sacrifice a tiny bit of speed in favor of extreme accuracy. I don't want to start an all-out flame war, but one thing that does come to mind is that the 1DX could be delayed for autofocus-related reasons. Yikes!
=Matt=
You might not be off base with that. Over at POTN's III thread, which is now well over 200 pages, the newest discovery is that short and fast Canon primes, like the 35, 50 and 85's are having trouble with focusing properly. Not everyone has that problem, but enough are beginning to step forward with it. At dead centers, everything seems fine, but stray off that and, oops. Another, and possibly related issue is with calibrating short primes with the MFA function. Zooms seem fine, so far. So if the firmware and hardware is the same, at the D1X's much faster frame rates, this might be something Canon is looking at?
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You might not be off base with that. Over at POTN's III thread, which is now well over 200 pages, the newest discovery is that short and fast Canon primes, like the 35, 50 and 85's are having trouble with focusing properly. Not everyone has that problem, but enough are beginning to step forward with it. At dead centers, everything seems fine, but stray off that and, oops. Another, and possibly related issue is with calibrating short primes with the MFA function. Zooms seem fine, so far. So if the firmware and hardware is the same, at the D1X's much faster frame rates, this might be something Canon is looking at?
Yikes I certainly don't have the time to read 200 pages, but is the gist the same as mine- that accuracy is still very much there, but it is speed that is questioned? Or when you say "oops", are you talking about actually mis-focusing?
I have a friend in another community who is reporting that their 5D mk3 is NOT focusing accurately, at all regardless of the AF point or the AF mode / calibration, however my problem is definitely not with accuracy. I just post-produced a wedding in which 2,000 5D mk3 images had a 80-95% in-focus percentage... It's just the snappiness that I'm questioning...
Yeah, that was another one of the first things we noticed. It only turns red on focus CONFIRMATION, not every time you hit the shutter half-way, like before. NOT cool, dunno why Canon changed that.
It's the same setup as the 7d by the sound of it. I've never found it to be any kind of problem in real life use
I have a friend in another community who is reporting that their 5D mk3 is NOT focusing accurately, at all regardless of the AF point or the AF mode / calibration
They should return it under warranty or send it in for free repair then. I had to do this with my 7D; it came back to me in 7 days and it was like a new camera.
You might not be off base with that. Over at POTN's III thread, which is now well over 200 pages, the newest discovery is that short and fast Canon primes, like the 35, 50 and 85's are having trouble with focusing properly. Not everyone has that problem,
I could have, but I sold my 5D2. Got $1700 for it, cash in person, no shipping/ebay/paypal fees, yay! I bought it new in September 2009. Sold my 7D for $1250, so the 5D3 was "just" a $550 upgrade.
I'm really not concerned with these kinds of tests at all anymore. The AF of the 5D3 is worlds better than the 5D2 ever was. I think maybe you're nitpicking here. You strike me as a reasonable and fair person, and I'm not saying this is you, but I'm just reminded of the 5D3 haters on another forum who endlessly debate and compare and wring their hands. Bottom line is that one has to really want to hate the 5D3, and try to find fault in it. These people are to be pitied, really, they must be miserable human beings. The 5D3 is simply the best camera I have ever used, and it makes me wish for nothing. I have the most smug sense of satisfaction and confidence that I finally have everything I want, that these types of tests and comparisons simply do not interest me or make me second guess anything. I can't fathom any 5D2 shooter who needs to shoot moving subjects deciding to sit out this upgrade, for any reason other than budget. Anyone who thinks they need to wait for something better is insane.
To turn on AF point illumination, it is an option in the AF menu or the CFN menu somewhere. I specifically remember turning it from "auto" (the default) to "on"...
=Matt=
From the 5D3 manual (p103): "When you press the <[#]> button (Me: rightmost of the three on top), the AF points and grid will be illuminated in red regardless of this (Me: VF Display illumination) setting."
I just checked: it lits up and stays lit while you navigating the focal points.
I'd say, this ability to "call" it at will is very convenient.
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From the 5D3 manual (p103): "When you press the <[#]> button (Me: rightmost of the three on top), the AF points and grid will be illuminated in red regardless of this (Me: VF Display illumination) setting."
I just checked: it lits up and stays lit while you navigating the focal points.
I'd say, this ability to "call" it at will is very convenient.
I guess I just shoot a LOT in near-black situations, or near-black, heavy-flare situations. Sounds like an oxymoron, but wedding receptions provide just that. Bottom like- it's certainly no deal-breaker, however it's an annoyance that I wish they didn't change or at least had offered the option for controlling.
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...I'm really not concerned with these kinds of tests at all anymore. The AF of the 5D3 is worlds better than the 5D2 ever was. I think maybe you're nitpicking here. You strike me as a reasonable and fair person, and I'm not saying this is you, but I'm just reminded of the 5D3 haters on another forum who endlessly debate and compare and wring their hands. Bottom line is that one has to really want to hate the 5D3, and try to find fault in it. These people are to be pitied, really, they must be miserable human beings. The 5D3 is simply the best camera I have ever used, and it makes me wish for nothing. I have the most smug sense of satisfaction and confidence that I finally have everything I want, that these types of tests and comparisons simply do not interest me or make me second guess anything. I can't fathom any 5D2 shooter who needs to shoot moving subjects deciding to sit out this upgrade, for any reason other than budget. Anyone who thinks they need to wait for something better is insane.
I can agree that anyone is insane to stick with the 5D mk2 and wait for something "better" than the 5D mk3. However I am certainly not nitpicking; I need my cameras to be as responsive and snappy as possible, for me to have a "smug sense of satisfaction". ;-)
Will it stop the entire studio from upgrading to the 5D mk3? No. Will it be a noticeable difference that frustrates them from time to time, or even dare I say frequently? Yes. The same goes for the new image review system, and the slight re-designs in other aspects. Not deal-breakers, but still "change for the sake of change" and still not addressing a few of the key reasons I still prefer Nikon.
I'm just posting my "First 24 hour review" as the topic describes. I understand that most people will simply love this camera, and will not need to worry about the functions / issues that I or others may prioritize. I for one couldn't care less about video, for example, and I'm actually quite angry at Nikon for changing the D800 controls so dramatically to accommodate video recording...
Will it stop the entire studio from upgrading to the 5D mk3? No. Will it be a noticeable difference that frustrates them from time to time, or even dare I say frequently? Yes.
Based on your earlier description it sounded like you only noticed this when comparing against your 5D2, is that right? Because I haven't noticed this while just shooting my 5D3, and I have been shooting indoors, at night, ISO 4000 and such. Just like when viewing prints, I think any differences that you don't notice unless you're doing a side-by-side A-B comparison are insignificant.
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It is FAR better than what my copy of the 7D was doing and I haven't even learned it yet.
This is going to be a fun process.
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the 5DmkIII AF is FAR better than the 7D ? that's surprising
I'm seeing that basic premise of AF improvement over most previous Canon prosumer bodies. The 5D MKIII appears to be especially improved over previous 5D MKII and 7D in lower light. (The Canon 7D is still rated pretty good in good light. The 5D MKII is "conditionally" OK in good light, and it benefits greatly from a flash with AF Assist using One Shot mode in lower light, from my own testing.)
This is all very good news for 5D MKIII owners and prospects.
I'm still looking for a consensus from professional sports photographers, but it's pretty early in the life of the 5D MKIII.
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Maybe it's situational (reflections off the snow, and a +2/3 EV compensation), but I'm impressed that with such strong backlighting, their faces are well exposed, skies are blue, etc.
What lens? 16-35mm?
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I shot youth sports professionally on the side for 3 years with a 1DIIN and 40D, then a 7D and 5D2. My opinion of all that AF is that the 7D in practical use was about as good as the 1DIIN, and that the center point of the 5D2 was very good, maybe just 10-15% behind the others, and better than the 40D. But only using the center point was not optimal. From my experience with the 5D3 so far on my personal time, shooting some skiing and my kids running around, the AF seems noticeably and pleasingly better than any of my previous cameras, in every regard. It is very accurate and confidence inspiring. I'm very satisfied with it. I no longer lust for a 1DIV.
7D = 19 points, all cross type. It was very good. Here's a supporting test:
http://www.prophotohome.com/news/2010/03/01/autofocus-torture-test-updated-canon-1d-mkiv-nikon-d3s-added/
But I agree the 5D3's is better.
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
My point stays though ;-)
Awww c'mon, the poor ole' 7d hasn't died a death or been discontinued yet!!
Fascinating site/tests - thanks for the link
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Yes, below ISO 1600, there is no IQ advantage to the 5D3 over the 5D2 if AF and FPS are not a major concern.
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Yeah diva, 7D is not dead, sorry! It is the best APS-C camera ever, if action is concerned. (and/or an investment in Canon lenses) And no way a $3500 cam replaces a $1700 cam for value. I will probably get my just deserts when it comes time to shoot field sports with my 5D3 and 70-200, now that I have sold my 7D. I guess I will first try adjusting my shooting strategy, and failing that, buy a 1.4x TC Mk III.
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
Scenario - 5D mk3 vs 5D mk2, 70-200 L IS mk1 and 24-70 L, One-Shot AF
Hypothesis - AF on the 5D mk3 seems to take a split second extra to confirm and lock focus, especially on darker subjects
Obviously the 5D mk3 has a WAY higher keeper rate no matter what, in any light. I'd say the 5D mk2's keeper rate, when shooting hand-held at fast apertures and medium-close distances, was 50-75% at best. The 5D mk3 takes that to 90-95%.
The 5D mk3 hunts less, and knows where to "start" when it comes to focusing. Focus always snaps RIGHT to the subject, however then it seems to take a split second longer than the 5D mk2 to confirm / beep, to LOCK. Maybe this is just the cost of far greater accuracy? Maybe the 5D mk2 is "confirming" focus so quickly simply because it's not being as precise, and often mis-focusing?
I'd love to know if anyone else can do a similar test and let me know what they think.
Again I'm shooting in One-Shot AF, (Beep-and-stop) in indoor / poor light. In bright sun the 5D mk3 seems to snap to focus confirmation just as fast as the 5D mk2. But say indoors in ISO ~3200 light, try focusing on something that is black but still has lots of texture. (Black camera bag?)
I've tried fiddling around with all the different focus points, including spot, point, 5/9 clusters, etc. That doesn't seem to increase the snappiness, although the most likely candidate to make me THINK it might be faste would be 5-point cluster AF. Need to do more testing though.
I'm about to add my D700 + 24-70 to the experiment; I'll report back later...
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Did you read page 97 of the manual yet? It might help but I don't know. And the 70-200 F4 doesn't get cross type AF... although I think you have the 2.8.
Otherwise I can't confirm anything mine is in the mail still
I hadn't read that part of the manual yet, but yep I'm familiar with "release priority" and I think that if it is anything like the "release priority" that I've been accustomed to on Nikon, it will not help speed up the camera, it will just allow me to click a shot before focus is fully confirmed. :-(
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Yeah, that was another one of the first things we noticed. It only turns red on focus CONFIRMATION, not every time you hit the shutter half-way, like before. NOT cool, dunno why Canon changed that.
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It didn't take more than a few seconds to notice that the D700 doesn't have this problem with focus confirmation, at least not with the Nikon 24-70 2.8. Even when focusing on light-sponge, near-black objects in the shadowy corners of a dimly lit room, it still snaps and beeps without that slight hesitation. The 5D mk3 would still focus accurately in these situations, but it would definitely hesitate a little before confirming focus. I will take my D700 + 24-70 into the studio tomorrow for more testing...
I'm starting to worry that maybe Canon has done what Nikon did with their new AFS-G f/1.4 primes - sacrifice a tiny bit of speed in favor of extreme accuracy. I don't want to start an all-out flame war, but one thing that does come to mind is that the 1DX could be delayed for autofocus-related reasons. Yikes!
Again, if anyone else can test this and confirm that they notice any difference at all in what I would call "a slight hesitation in confirming / locking focus" when shooting in One-Shot AF on a decent L lens. (The 24-70 seems to be the snappiest sample, snappier than the 70-200 2.8 L IS mk1) It didn't seem to matter whether I used spot, point, or cluster point AF, and from what I hear the "Case 1 / Case 2" AF options are only for AI-Servo. The test I performed was simply racking focus between a nearby, (~6 ft) brightly lit object to a further away, (~15 ft) dark and shaded object that still contained significant texture patterns. Not too bad at 70mm on the 24-70 L, a little worse on the 70-200 at 70mm, and downright "hesitant" at 200mm. (But again I must stress, VERY accurate and consistent)
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Thanks, Matt. Good to know it does have confo. The early reviews I've read seem to indicate it has no red anything. I assume the confo beep is still also available, if desired.
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To turn on AF point illumination, it is an option in the AF menu or the CFN menu somewhere. I specifically remember turning it from "auto" (the default) to "on"...
And yes, you have the "beep" which I personally prefer, although it drives my other pro friends crazy lol...
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You might not be off base with that. Over at POTN's III thread, which is now well over 200 pages, the newest discovery is that short and fast Canon primes, like the 35, 50 and 85's are having trouble with focusing properly. Not everyone has that problem, but enough are beginning to step forward with it. At dead centers, everything seems fine, but stray off that and, oops. Another, and possibly related issue is with calibrating short primes with the MFA function. Zooms seem fine, so far. So if the firmware and hardware is the same, at the D1X's much faster frame rates, this might be something Canon is looking at?
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - Wayne Gretzky
Yikes I certainly don't have the time to read 200 pages, but is the gist the same as mine- that accuracy is still very much there, but it is speed that is questioned? Or when you say "oops", are you talking about actually mis-focusing?
I have a friend in another community who is reporting that their 5D mk3 is NOT focusing accurately, at all regardless of the AF point or the AF mode / calibration, however my problem is definitely not with accuracy. I just post-produced a wedding in which 2,000 5D mk3 images had a 80-95% in-focus percentage... It's just the snappiness that I'm questioning...
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It's the same setup as the 7d by the sound of it. I've never found it to be any kind of problem in real life use
They should return it under warranty or send it in for free repair then. I had to do this with my 7D; it came back to me in 7 days and it was like a new camera.
Agreed.
I don't have that problem with my 35L.
I could have, but I sold my 5D2. Got $1700 for it, cash in person, no shipping/ebay/paypal fees, yay! I bought it new in September 2009. Sold my 7D for $1250, so the 5D3 was "just" a $550 upgrade.
I'm really not concerned with these kinds of tests at all anymore. The AF of the 5D3 is worlds better than the 5D2 ever was. I think maybe you're nitpicking here. You strike me as a reasonable and fair person, and I'm not saying this is you, but I'm just reminded of the 5D3 haters on another forum who endlessly debate and compare and wring their hands. Bottom line is that one has to really want to hate the 5D3, and try to find fault in it. These people are to be pitied, really, they must be miserable human beings. The 5D3 is simply the best camera I have ever used, and it makes me wish for nothing. I have the most smug sense of satisfaction and confidence that I finally have everything I want, that these types of tests and comparisons simply do not interest me or make me second guess anything. I can't fathom any 5D2 shooter who needs to shoot moving subjects deciding to sit out this upgrade, for any reason other than budget. Anyone who thinks they need to wait for something better is insane.
By the way, to the OP, Josh, your shots are awesome. I've been enjoying them.
Was this an in-camera HDR? I like it.
http://clients.joshmartinezphotography.com/photos/i-bdm6Q6X/3/L/i-bdm6Q6X-L.jpg
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
I just checked: it lits up and stays lit while you navigating the focal points.
I'd say, this ability to "call" it at will is very convenient.
I can agree that anyone is insane to stick with the 5D mk2 and wait for something "better" than the 5D mk3. However I am certainly not nitpicking; I need my cameras to be as responsive and snappy as possible, for me to have a "smug sense of satisfaction". ;-)
Will it stop the entire studio from upgrading to the 5D mk3? No. Will it be a noticeable difference that frustrates them from time to time, or even dare I say frequently? Yes. The same goes for the new image review system, and the slight re-designs in other aspects. Not deal-breakers, but still "change for the sake of change" and still not addressing a few of the key reasons I still prefer Nikon.
I'm just posting my "First 24 hour review" as the topic describes. I understand that most people will simply love this camera, and will not need to worry about the functions / issues that I or others may prioritize. I for one couldn't care less about video, for example, and I'm actually quite angry at Nikon for changing the D800 controls so dramatically to accommodate video recording...
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Based on your earlier description it sounded like you only noticed this when comparing against your 5D2, is that right? Because I haven't noticed this while just shooting my 5D3, and I have been shooting indoors, at night, ISO 4000 and such. Just like when viewing prints, I think any differences that you don't notice unless you're doing a side-by-side A-B comparison are insignificant.
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/04/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-recall/
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Judging by US availability delays I'm aware of sounds like a rather possible thing.