Smugmug - You just killed Lamah's clever workaround to offer Paypal without Javascript... How about you tell us why, and where you are at with offering Javascript or a decent working Paypal payment option?
How about actually being open with us? You have acted in extreme bad faith on this subject so far.
Mbonocore - please escalate and get someone to give us a real answer.
Smugmug - You just killed Lamah's clever workaround to offer Paypal without Javascript... How about you tell us why, and where you are at with offering Javascript or a decent working Paypal payment option?
How about actually being open with us? You have acted in extreme bad faith on this subject so far.
Mbonocore - please escalate and get someone to give us a real answer.
Hi guys - any progress on offering Paypal as a supported sales option? It's been months since I last asked, and many months since your move to the new SM killed Javascript and the good way to offer it.
Lamah has come up with a great hack but you've also broken that a few times (deliberately and accidentally) so understandably I'm nervous about trusting it as a long term solution.
You DID say that Paypal was being worked on - how about an update, even if it's an honest one to say that no-one has even started...
My understanding is that you can still use the PayPal button to accept payments. Of, course it will be more convoluted. The buyer would also have to email you a complete description of what they bought, size, format, material, framed (which one) or not, etc, etc. But it CAN be done despite SM not giving us back the convenient method. If they do not email you properly, I guess you could say THANKS for the Donation! Hahahahahaha! Anyway, y'all probably knew all this already...
Thinking we should ALL place a PayPal button on our sites for Appreciation Donations to help us keep our craft going and to pay for the website!
Ha! Good one. They'll only give up their 15% commission when you pry it out of their cold dead fingers.
No need to give up commission (although 15% is a bit steep for self-fulfilment)… just allow self-fulfilment through the shopping cart and still take their cut. Printing and shipping from the US to the southern hemisphere is just crazy expensive and takes way too long. A way for non-US customers down here in Australia and New Zealand to use SmugMug *and* self-fulfill while still allowing SmugMug to take make money would be ideal.
WOW! I never thought I'd see the day... It's still a little clunky (Why such a limited range of currencies still) but this is a great change! We still need more than a token number of currencies.
This really is a positive change, but there''s still a couple of showstoppers in moving from the legacy Smugmug. But I'm not as dismayed as I was 10 minutes ago! Thanks for the pointer.
Cheers - N
ps. This also seems to work for digital downloads despite clearly saying print sales in their description...
I don't think that's at all what this thread is about. Since this new paypal integration has the same currency limitations as the regular shopping cart, and it still doesn't allow for self fulfillment, I'm not sure I understand why anybody is excited about it. I guess people that don't use credit cards? What am I missing? Why would this feature be of interest to enough people to get smugmug to focus their time and effort on it?
I don't think that's at all what this thread is about. Since this new paypal integration has the same currency limitations as the regular shopping cart, and it still doesn't allow for self fulfillment, I'm not sure I understand why anybody is excited about it. I guess people that don't use credit cards? What am I missing? Why would this feature be of interest to enough people to get smugmug to focus their time and effort on it?
Dave
Because now SM can officially say "We have PayPall integration!" totally disregarding the fact that the whole purpose of previous, custom made PayPal integration, was to have self fulfillment. So, I also do not really understand what is the purpose of yet another form of payment THEY accept
Because now SM can officially say "We have PayPall integration!" totally disregarding the fact that the whole purpose of previous, custom made PayPal integration, was to have self fulfillment. So, I also do not really understand what is the purpose of yet another form of payment THEY accept
Well... Paypal for me wasn't about self fulfilment really - it was being able to accept anything other that $USD... Sure they added CAD and AUD and UKP, but that doesn't help me at all.
Paypal allowed ME to choose the currency I wanted to accept.
Unfortunately (of course) it would appear Smugmug have done another ugly 'solution' and have managed to integrate paypal and still only support a small handful of currencies.
So despite being impressed they have delivered something, it turns out this is useless for me still.
Oh well... We only asked for Paypal for 4-5 years. I guess another 4-5 years to accept all currencies Paypal supports is only fair.
I think offering PayPal as a payment option is going to make a nice boost to sales for photographers who were already using SmugMug's cart. I know that I hesitate to hand over my credit card details to some random site, but I'm fine with using PayPal (and it's way faster to use). Doesn't do anything for self-fulfilment just yet, though.
I have considered using the paypal method thenickdude developed in this post : http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=240753
but I also need the option of paying by credit card. It would be really awesome if a self fulfillment option was created by SM so it is fully integrated with the SM buy button. In the future I may want to offer some prints through BayPhoto and others though self fulfillment.
Any official word on whether or not SmugMug is creating a self fulfillment option?
androit, PayPal also accepts credit cards (customers don't have to create a PayPal account to use it).
Thanks, I did not know that. I thought someone would have to have a PayPal account to use their services.
The other thing that is holding me back from implementing the PayPal hack is I don't want all of the PayPal buying information under each picture. Is there a way to make a "Buy" button so when a customer clicks on the Buy button there is a drop down list of sizes and prices? Ideally I would like the PayPal "Buy" button to show up everywhere the SM buy button would show up if it were enabled.
I have only seen the PayPal hack used with the SmugMug Gallery Style. Does it work with the Collage Landscape Gallery Style?
I may want to offer some prints through PayPal/self fulfillment and others through BayPhoto. This would entail using two different buying options and would be confusing to customers. I don't know of a good solution except for SM to offer a self fulfillment option.
Is there a way to make a "Buy" button so when a customer clicks on the Buy button there is a drop down list of sizes and prices?
Unfortunately, SmugMug has blocked this possibility by blocking the <form> tag in photo captions (required for standard drop-down boxes). You can just barely manage to emulate a dropdown of clickable links using CSS, but the usability on mobile would probably be pretty poor and I suspect that it would fail on older browsers.
I have only seen the PayPal hack used with the SmugMug Gallery Style. Does it work with the Collage Landscape Gallery Style?
It sort of works, but the buy button is only visible in the lightbox (full-screen) view:
I may want to offer some prints through PayPal/self fulfillment and others through BayPhoto. This would entail using two different buying options and would be confusing to customers. I don't know of a good solution except for SM to offer a self fulfillment option.
Thanks a lot for all the information thenickdude. I may play around with the PayPal hack to see if I can get something I like.
Since there isn't a comprehensive solution for self fulfillment, I will continue with having people contact me if they want to buy a print. In the mean time, I will be downgrading my SM account at next renewal. The difference is $190/yr. I would much rather pay that money to SM in exchange for a self fulfillment option.
...really hope SmugMug is working on a self fulfillment option...
I can't believe that after all these years this is still being ignored. SM is amazing in so many ways except the way that I need most. This is so frustrating!!!! Why, SmugMug why?? I would gladly pay extra for the service. I'm guessing by the wide gaps in time between published posts it's because once SM users close their accounts and go elsewhere all their posts disappear with them. I've certainly made several pleading posts over the years with other user accounts that no longer appear here. Drives me crazy:( Can anyone there at SmugMug please explain why you still don't offer such a useful tool to photographers?? PLEASE explain.
Can anyone there at SmugMug please explain why you still don't offer such a useful tool to photographers??
What's always set SmugMug apart from our competitors is that we release the best product possible, that will actually meets all of your needs and is not just an item listed on a "Features" page. A smugmug quality self-fulfillment system is quite complex and has to be managed within our current roadmap and limited resources. This is something we'd love to build at some point in the future.
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How about actually being open with us? You have acted in extreme bad faith on this subject so far.
Mbonocore - please escalate and get someone to give us a real answer.
Cheers - N
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Lamah has come up with a great hack but you've also broken that a few times (deliberately and accidentally) so understandably I'm nervous about trusting it as a long term solution.
You DID say that Paypal was being worked on - how about an update, even if it's an honest one to say that no-one has even started...
Cheers - N
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Ha! Good one. They'll only give up their 15% commission when you pry it out of their cold dead fingers.
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Thinking we should ALL place a PayPal button on our sites for Appreciation Donations to help us keep our craft going and to pay for the website!
No need to give up commission (although 15% is a bit steep for self-fulfilment)… just allow self-fulfilment through the shopping cart and still take their cut. Printing and shipping from the US to the southern hemisphere is just crazy expensive and takes way too long. A way for non-US customers down here in Australia and New Zealand to use SmugMug *and* self-fulfill while still allowing SmugMug to take make money would be ideal.
http://www.kenlyonsphotography.com.au
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Is this what your looking for?
http://news.smugmug.com/2014/01/13/new-checkout-with-paypal-on-print-sales/
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This really is a positive change, but there''s still a couple of showstoppers in moving from the legacy Smugmug. But I'm not as dismayed as I was 10 minutes ago! Thanks for the pointer.
Cheers - N
ps. This also seems to work for digital downloads despite clearly saying print sales in their description...
http://www.nzsnaps.com (talkiet.smugmug.com)
I don't think that's at all what this thread is about. Since this new paypal integration has the same currency limitations as the regular shopping cart, and it still doesn't allow for self fulfillment, I'm not sure I understand why anybody is excited about it. I guess people that don't use credit cards? What am I missing? Why would this feature be of interest to enough people to get smugmug to focus their time and effort on it?
Dave
Because now SM can officially say "We have PayPall integration!" totally disregarding the fact that the whole purpose of previous, custom made PayPal integration, was to have self fulfillment. So, I also do not really understand what is the purpose of yet another form of payment THEY accept
Well... Paypal for me wasn't about self fulfilment really - it was being able to accept anything other that $USD... Sure they added CAD and AUD and UKP, but that doesn't help me at all.
Paypal allowed ME to choose the currency I wanted to accept.
Unfortunately (of course) it would appear Smugmug have done another ugly 'solution' and have managed to integrate paypal and still only support a small handful of currencies.
So despite being impressed they have delivered something, it turns out this is useless for me still.
Oh well... We only asked for Paypal for 4-5 years. I guess another 4-5 years to accept all currencies Paypal supports is only fair.
Cheers - N
http://www.nzsnaps.com (talkiet.smugmug.com)
Please check out my gallery of customisations for the New SmugMug, more to come!
I have considered using the paypal method thenickdude developed in this post : http://dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=240753
but I also need the option of paying by credit card. It would be really awesome if a self fulfillment option was created by SM so it is fully integrated with the SM buy button. In the future I may want to offer some prints through BayPhoto and others though self fulfillment.
Any official word on whether or not SmugMug is creating a self fulfillment option?
Please check out my gallery of customisations for the New SmugMug, more to come!
Thanks, I did not know that. I thought someone would have to have a PayPal account to use their services.
The other thing that is holding me back from implementing the PayPal hack is I don't want all of the PayPal buying information under each picture. Is there a way to make a "Buy" button so when a customer clicks on the Buy button there is a drop down list of sizes and prices? Ideally I would like the PayPal "Buy" button to show up everywhere the SM buy button would show up if it were enabled.
I have only seen the PayPal hack used with the SmugMug Gallery Style. Does it work with the Collage Landscape Gallery Style?
I may want to offer some prints through PayPal/self fulfillment and others through BayPhoto. This would entail using two different buying options and would be confusing to customers. I don't know of a good solution except for SM to offer a self fulfillment option.
Unfortunately, SmugMug has blocked this possibility by blocking the <form> tag in photo captions (required for standard drop-down boxes). You can just barely manage to emulate a dropdown of clickable links using CSS, but the usability on mobile would probably be pretty poor and I suspect that it would fail on older browsers.
It sort of works, but the buy button is only visible in the lightbox (full-screen) view:
http://www.sherlockphotography.org/Customisations/SmugMug-for-Chrome/PayPal/Collage-Landscape/
I wouldn't recommend it.
Yeah, that is a pickle.
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Since there isn't a comprehensive solution for self fulfillment, I will continue with having people contact me if they want to buy a print. In the mean time, I will be downgrading my SM account at next renewal. The difference is $190/yr. I would much rather pay that money to SM in exchange for a self fulfillment option.
...really hope SmugMug is working on a self fulfillment option...
What's always set SmugMug apart from our competitors is that we release the best product possible, that will actually meets all of your needs and is not just an item listed on a "Features" page. A smugmug quality self-fulfillment system is quite complex and has to be managed within our current roadmap and limited resources. This is something we'd love to build at some point in the future.
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