Adobe Enhance Details Increases RAW Photo Resolution By Up to 30%

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  • David_S85David_S85 Spotter of Dgrin Spam and Oddities ChicagolandPosts: 12,374Administrators moderator

    Hmmmm. Very interesting. Not enough to get me to pay the yearly fee, but I like the results in those examples.

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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Still learnin'still lovin Posts: 21,190Super Moderators moderator

    Nice use of predictive AI!

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  • kdogkdog artistically challenged San Jose, CAPosts: 11,506Administrators moderator

    Well, I updated LR and I tried it on several pictures. All it produces for me is a pure black image. The user interface for it is dead simple, so there's no way to screw up. Very disappointing. I guess they haven't gotten all the bugs worked out yet.

  • colourboxcolourbox Major grins Posts: 2,088Registered Users Major grins

    It takes a lot of time (unless you have a fast GPU, like Topaz Gigapixel requires), it takes a lot of space, and you have to have the right images. It will not help every image. From tests and reading reports and examples on the web, I don't shoot the kind of images that would benefit. Not criticizing the feature; it looks like those shooting fine details with sharp lenses and no motion blur will benefit from this. I shoot too much handheld with consumer level lenses, I hardly see any difference when I try it with my pics.

    This post from another forum has three good examples:
    https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=129052.msg1095451#msg1095451

    Same thread has a link to an excellent overview of the potential and limitations:
    https://laurashoe.com/2019/02/12/enhance-raw-file-details-in-lightroom-classic-cc-and-lightroom-cc/

  • pathfinderpathfinder Drive By Digital Shooter western IndianaPosts: 14,434Super Moderators moderator
    edited February 14, 2019

    It does work for me, Joel - Mac 10.14.3 and LR CC. 8.2 on an iMacPro

    Having said that, I'm not sure I can see 30% improvement in my images I have tried - and the user can not see any evidence of having done it in the History or sequence of edits; so I can't seem to look at a file and tell whether I have Enhanced Detail or not after the fact which I kind of found a bit less than satisfactory. I will wait and see what Adobe says about this in the future, hopefully.

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  • kdogkdog artistically challenged San Jose, CAPosts: 11,506Administrators moderator

    @pathfinder said:
    It does work for me, Joel - Mac 10.14.3 and LR CC. 8.2 on an iMacPro

    Having said that, I'm not sure I can see 30% improvement in my images I have tried - and the user can not see any evidence of having done it in the History or sequence of edits; so I can't seem to look at a file and tell whether I have Enhanced Detail or not after the fact which I kind of found a bit less than satisfactory. I will wait and see what Adobe says about this in the future, hopefully.

    I'm on a PC, Jim. Same version of LR, it's the only one that has the new feature.

    The Details Enhancer creates a DNG output file. So by virtue of the fact that you actually get the output DNG then you can assume the details enhancer has been applied. No? The 30% is probably a best-case scenario for some files with a particular kind of detail loss due to the demosaicing algorithm.

  • CornflakeCornflake Major grins Posts: 2,485Registered Users Major grins
    edited February 14, 2019

    I was about to upgrade and try this but Adobe informed me that I had to upgrade to Windows 10 first. That hadn't happened before. I suppose I've held out as long as I can.

  • kdogkdog artistically challenged San Jose, CAPosts: 11,506Administrators moderator

    @Cornflake said:
    I was about to upgrade and try this but Adobe informed me that I had to upgrade to Windows 10 first. That hadn't happened before. I suppose I've held out as long as I can.

    Not only Windows 10, but it has to be fairly up to date on patches. I just recently upgraded to Windows 10 myself. Seems like it has better performance and reliability than Windows 7. I was very happy with the upgrade.

  • CornflakeCornflake Major grins Posts: 2,485Registered Users Major grins

    After my computer got a lobotomy I tried this. Nothing but all-black results so far.

  • colourboxcolourbox Major grins Posts: 2,088Registered Users Major grins

    @pathfinder said:
    I'm not sure I can see 30% improvement in my images I have tried

    The thread title here correctly quotes Adobe's statement "up to 30%," which I interpret to mean I might get 3% or 6% and maybe that's why I see only minimal improvement with my own images.

    The Adobe blog post says the 30% figure was arrived at from shooting using Siemens Star resolution charts. Presumably, easier to precisely quantify using that, compared to real subjects.

    @pathfinder said:
    and the user can not see any evidence of having done it in the History or sequence of edits; so I can't seem to look at a file and tell whether I have Enhanced Detail or not after the fact which I kind of found a bit less than satisfactory. I will wait and see what Adobe says about this in the future, hopefully.

    That's a good observation I have not seen anyone else mention.

  • CornflakeCornflake Major grins Posts: 2,485Registered Users Major grins

    "...and the user can not see any evidence of having done it in the History or sequence of edits; so I can't seem to look at a file and tell whether I have Enhanced Detail or not after the fact which I kind of found a bit less than satisfactory. I will wait and see what Adobe says about this in the future, hopefully."

    The enhanced version is shown as a new DNG file so I wouldn't expect the history in the original to show that this was done.

  • kdogkdog artistically challenged San Jose, CAPosts: 11,506Administrators moderator

    @Cornflake said:
    After my computer got a lobotomy I tried this. Nothing but all-black results so far.

    Same as me. Interesting. Might be a bug with the Windows version.

  • kdogkdog artistically challenged San Jose, CAPosts: 11,506Administrators moderator

    @Cornflake said:

    The enhanced version is shown as a new DNG file so I wouldn't expect the history in the original to show that this was done.

    That is my feeling as well.

  • pathfinderpathfinder Drive By Digital Shooter western IndianaPosts: 14,434Super Moderators moderator
    edited February 15, 2019

    Joel, I stand corrected - I do get a second file immediately after Enhancing Detail is clicked, and it is named the same as the original DNG file with Enhanced extended onto the original file name.DNG.
    I didn't catch that a new second file was created at the time earlier, so I was looking at the original file when I made my earlier comment. Sorry for my confusion.

    AND one can find the images quickly by doing a search for Text with"Enhanced" in the text search box field. So you can find all of your Enhanced images very quickly.

    But I do get a new file not a black screen. I still don't see 30% improvement or even 10% with some of my bird images. Maybe I need to try a sharper more geometric image .

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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Still learnin'still lovin Posts: 21,190Super Moderators moderator
    edited February 15, 2019

    @pathfinder said:
    ... I still don't see 30% improvement or even 10% with some of my bird images. Maybe I need to try a sharper more geometric image .

    If possible, try to stack the two images, before and after the "Enhanced" process, and change the overlay property to a "Difference" blend. That should give you some hint as to where to look for the AI enhancements.

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  • RichardRichard Mildly bemused Madrid, SpainPosts: 18,935Administrators, Vanilla Admin moderator

    If you have to look so hard, doesn't that mean that it's really not worth very much? I don't have a CC subscription, but the samples I've seen don't seem any better than normal sharpening, at best.

  • CornflakeCornflake Major grins Posts: 2,485Registered Users Major grins

    "I just recently upgraded to Windows 10 myself. Seems like it has better performance and reliability than Windows 7. I was very happy with the upgrade." So far it seems fine except that I'm having to reset various programs and that's a challenge for me.

  • pathfinderpathfinder Drive By Digital Shooter western IndianaPosts: 14,434Super Moderators moderator
    edited February 16, 2019

    Ziggy, I just tried your suggestion on two images of mine of short eared owls captured in high ISO in low light, hoping to, perhaps, see some minor improvement.

    Alas - for the two images I tried, I cannot "see" any improvement, and cannot seen any change whatsoever when I look at the DND and the enhanced DNG images stacked in PS and then blended at 100% Difference mode - the screen is totally black!! - If I move one layer, even one pixel up or down on the screen, I can immediately see changes in the image when they are no longer pixel matching stacked and Difference Blended as one would expect.

    Hence, for the few images of mine that I have tested, I see no improvement which is a real disappointment.

    I will try this with some different images - shot at lower ISOs from a tripod - and see if I can see more changes, hopefully.

    I feel certain that Adobe found some images with perceptible improvements for then to make this new Enhanced DNG process available, but I haven't been able to see the improvement in the few files I have tested yet. I will keep looking with different images.

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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Still learnin'still lovin Posts: 21,190Super Moderators moderator

    Tony Northrup "Enhanced" Observations

    LR's Enhance Details: Beware Fuji users!


    Tony & Chelsea Northrup
    Published on Feb 16, 2019

    Lightroom Classic CC just added a new feature: Enhance Details. It promises 30% more resolution from your existing raw files. That would be amazing, but as you'll see in the video, it doesn't seem to be true. The story is a little different for Fujifilm users with an X-Trans sensor (such as those using the Fujifilm X-T1, X-T2, X-T3, X-Pro, or X-H1).

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  • colourboxcolourbox Major grins Posts: 2,088Registered Users Major grins

    The interesting thing about that video is that Adobe has stated somewhere (unfortunately I can't find the link) that Enhanced Details will provide up to 30% "more resolution, not more pixels." Yet early in the video, Tony uses an analogy of Enhanced Details making your 24 megapixel camera become like a 32 megapixel camera, which is the misunderstanding Adobe tried to avoid.

    Just another example of how hard this new feature is to understand and explain.

  • pathfinderpathfinder Drive By Digital Shooter western IndianaPosts: 14,434Super Moderators moderator
    edited February 26, 2019

    If the enhanced images really are better, different, shouldn't those pixel differences be quite noticeable when blended in Difference Mode in PS.

    I didn't review my images at more than 4x, so maybe I just didn't look closely enough, but if you can't see any difference at normal resolutions , is there really a difference?

    Somewhere I saw mention on the web that Enhance Details helps eliminate moire' - any one seen any reference to decreasing moire'

    I never see it in my images anyway - maybe it is more likely in cameras that lack and anti-aliasing filter?? The Enhancement effect seems to be manifested differently on different sensors

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