I don't know anyone (yet) w/ a dual-dual-core AMD setup. Although if my buddy gets the system he's looking at, I'll be sure and have him run this benchmark. He is also a CS (not CS2) user like myself. I've got a friend w/ a dual-core Athlon 3800+.. basically the exact same wintel system I've priced above, minus some memory. I'm trying to get him to run the benchmark for me too. He's accross the pond in Germany and seems to selectively respond to email somedays though..
As for Intel, yes there are dual-core Xeon procs supposedly available. Although w/ a quick look at NewEgg and MWave I can't find them anywhere, so I wonder if they are actually available to us commoners. Although Intel's new product nomenclature has me pretty confused anyway, so I could be looking right at them and just not realizing it. I have no idea what chipset/mobo you'd need to run this.
Chipset/mobo choices are aparently limited for both AMD and Intel multi-processor customers. In the AMD world aparently the only mobo maker worth a darn is Tyan. And the recommended boards all cost a pretty penny, require oversized cases and power supplies, and consume premium error correcting, registered memory. This is why the dual-core chips from both makers are so incredible. They effectively give you access to two processors at single processor component costs..
Both AMD and Intel require you to buy their 'server' grade chips if you want a multi-processor workstation. Using Xeon's in high-end graphics workstations is reportedly very common. As I said, we have a bank of dual processor Opteron rigs at work for the rendering farm. Both of our graphic artists have dual processor Opteron based Boxx rigs under their desks as well. They scream.
No way, if we can get similar PC machines to run the test, and they wind up being slower than the macs, I would say that is pretty good reason to go mac, wouldn't you?
No way, if we can get similar PC machines to run the test, and they wind up being slower than the macs, I would say that is pretty good reason to go mac, wouldn't you?
Hijack all day long fishing for that kind of info. I'm actually going to hold off buying anything until I see or experience some more info on pshop performance on high end, modern wintels..
Turns out my German associate w/ the 3800+ X2 doesn't have pshop. (How on earth does he LIVE! ) He says it rocks his video editor though. (If that's your sort of thing!)
No way, if we can get similar PC machines to run the test, and they wind up being slower than the macs, I would say that is pretty good reason to go mac, wouldn't you?
Not if the test is an artificial construct designed for one thing: to show off the Mac's speed at one kind of challenge.
More useful would be comparative times running typical Photoshop jobs. I don't use a max'd out radial blur very often. Ever, actually.
I believe that part of the reason that the test is used is that it is a measure of processor performance independent of drive speed, etc. Your batch test would not isolate the processor as successfully.
I believe that part of the reason that the test is used is that it is a measure of processor performance independent of drive speed, etc. Your batch test would not isolate the processor as successfully.
Sounds like a good reason. But if it's not a real world test, who cares?
Sounds like a good reason. But if it's not a real world test, who cares?
Of course it's a real world test. It's just a real world test of a specific component. It's not some arcane benchmark, but something that you would actually use your computer for. Maybe exaggerated, but something people do, nonetheless.
Of course it's a real world test. It's just a real world test of a specific component. It's not some arcane benchmark, but something that you would actually use your computer for. Maybe exaggerated, but something people do, nonetheless.
Oh yeah? When's the last time you did a max'd out radial blur? And it is too arcane.
A relevant speed comparison would be for tasks that we usually use PS for. Anything else is pixel peeping masturbation designed to score points, not inform about practical effectiveness.
Oh yeah? When's the last time you did a max'd out radial blur? And it is too arcane.
A relevant speed comparison would be for tasks that we usually use PS for. Anything else is pixel peeping masturbation designed to score points, not inform about practical effectiveness.
Well this might put a spring in your step. I have zero intention of "upgrading" to vista. I am going to stick with XP until I can get a working 16bit RAW converter on linux and a DVD slideshow creator.
But that is probably best left to another thread hehehe
The latest PC Magazine has a favorable writeup of the 2.5 GHz G5 Quad. In it, they note a couple of benchmark results:
Photoshop CS2 Test Suite
G5 Quad: 57 seconds
Dell XPS 600: 1 minutes 3 seconds
Despite the small difference here, they note that this is significant and would add up over a week of work.
Cinebench Rendering Test G5 Quad: 1104
Dell XPS 600: 667
The Dell system is only single processor, dual-core though... The price of the G5 Quad as tested: $7023. No price given for the Dell... My guess would be ~$4000.
The latest PC Magazine has a favorable writeup of the 2.5 GHz G5 Quad. In it, they note a couple of benchmark results:
Photoshop CS2 Test Suite
G5 Quad: 57 seconds
Dell XPS 600: 1 minutes 3 seconds
Despite the small difference here, they note that this is significant and would add up over a week of work.
Cinebench Rendering Test G5 Quad: 1104
Dell XPS 600: 667
The Dell system is only single processor, dual-core though... The price of the G5 Quad as tested: $7023. No price given for the Dell... My guess would be ~$4000.
How on earth do you get to $7023? I mean, did they throw a 30" display on that? There's no way that the G5 could get that high, without a bunch of add-ons that are meaningless for the test....
How on earth do you get to $7023? I mean, did they throw a 30" display on that? There's no way that the G5 could get that high, without a bunch of add-ons that are meaningless for the test....
Type: Media, Business, Workstation
Processor Family: Apple G5
Installed RAM: 4096 MB
Hard Drive Capacity: 1024 GB
RAID: No
Graphics Card: nVidia Quadro FX 4500
Primary Optical Drive: Dual-Layer DVD+/-RW
Monitor Type: LCD Widescreen
Monitor Size: 30 inches
Notes: $9522; $7023 without monitor
I don't know where they're pricing it, but from apple.com, that configuration is $6524.
Plus, a terabyte of hard disk space is meaningless in the comparison, and the 600gb drive you're comparing it to. With a 500gb drive installed the total is $5949.
That's with buying the RAM from apple, which one should never do, anyway.
Yeah, it still ends up being more, but like I said before, Windows is fugly and stupid. Case closed.
You getting your virus definitions all primed up and ready? Second MAC virus reported you know. And I bet there are a bunch of zero day exploits hanging out there just waiting :-)
It's funny hearing the mac people talk about it. Instead of admitting that mac is vulnerable to virus like any high tech device, they start making excuses why this is not a big threat, all you have to do is turn off xyz, blah blah blah (sounds like some windows users hehehe). Embrace viruses, they exist, thinking you are immune is just asking for trouble.
The next two to three years should be interesting as I foresee some mac viruses that are going to nuke a lot of computers just like windows. Mac users will lose a lot of their naivety as they deal with security issues they have not had to worry about until now.
p.s. By the way, I'm not just blowing smoke here. I have been running my pc's without virus checking for a long time. They provide a false sense of security too as far as I am concerned. Assuming an OS is not secure, learned from using an unsecure OS, has helped me out a lot to remain virus free.
p.s.s I rambled on far more than intended. You may whack me to the ground when ready
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Anybody with a dual core pentium?
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As for Intel, yes there are dual-core Xeon procs supposedly available. Although w/ a quick look at NewEgg and MWave I can't find them anywhere, so I wonder if they are actually available to us commoners. Although Intel's new product nomenclature has me pretty confused anyway, so I could be looking right at them and just not realizing it. I have no idea what chipset/mobo you'd need to run this.
Chipset/mobo choices are aparently limited for both AMD and Intel multi-processor customers. In the AMD world aparently the only mobo maker worth a darn is Tyan. And the recommended boards all cost a pretty penny, require oversized cases and power supplies, and consume premium error correcting, registered memory. This is why the dual-core chips from both makers are so incredible. They effectively give you access to two processors at single processor component costs..
A Froogle search for "Xeon" and "Xeon motherboard" turns up several outlets... Tyan and SuperMicro seem to be the predominant MB makers.
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Oh, OK....
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Turns out my German associate w/ the 3800+ X2 doesn't have pshop. (How on earth does he LIVE!
More useful would be comparative times running typical Photoshop jobs. I don't use a max'd out radial blur very often. Ever, actually.
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I believe that part of the reason that the test is used is that it is a measure of processor performance independent of drive speed, etc. Your batch test would not isolate the processor as successfully.
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Of course it's a real world test. It's just a real world test of a specific component. It's not some arcane benchmark, but something that you would actually use your computer for. Maybe exaggerated, but something people do, nonetheless.
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A relevant speed comparison would be for tasks that we usually use PS for. Anything else is pixel peeping masturbation designed to score points, not inform about practical effectiveness.
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Oh, yeah?
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Now you might say that you don't care if it's pretty, but I'll tell you, it's poorly designed and it DOES affect it's usability.
Here's the evidence, screenshots of the yet to be released Vista (just a not so random few):
Ugh. I don't have an iSync conflict window, but I'll tell you it's much more understandable. Pretty, too.
and last, but not least:
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Listen, Mr. Facetious, you already know the answer to that.
The request was made to sell him a Mac. I'm busy selling. So SHADDUP!
Bubba, ignore this man. He's just causing trouble.
And check out some of the wonderfulness that is Mac OS X Tiger:
Expose.
Spotlight.
Automator.
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But that is probably best left to another thread hehehe
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Fugly is as fugly does.
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Photoshop CS2 Test Suite
G5 Quad: 57 seconds
Dell XPS 600: 1 minutes 3 seconds
Despite the small difference here, they note that this is significant and would add up over a week of work.
Cinebench Rendering Test
G5 Quad: 1104
Dell XPS 600: 667
The Dell system is only single processor, dual-core though... The price of the G5 Quad as tested: $7023. No price given for the Dell... My guess would be ~$4000.
How on earth do you get to $7023? I mean, did they throw a 30" display on that? There's no way that the G5 could get that high, without a bunch of add-ons that are meaningless for the test....
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Type: Media, Business, Workstation
Processor Family: Apple G5
Installed RAM: 4096 MB
Hard Drive Capacity: 1024 GB
RAID: No
Graphics Card: nVidia Quadro FX 4500
Primary Optical Drive: Dual-Layer DVD+/-RW
Monitor Type: LCD Widescreen
Monitor Size: 30 inches
Notes: $9522; $7023 without monitor
Type: Gaming, Media
Processor Family: Intel 8 Series (Pentium EE)
Installed RAM: 1024 MB
Hard Drive Capacity: 660 GB
RAID: Yes
Graphics Card: nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX SLI
Primary Optical Drive: Dual-Layer DVD+/-RW
Secondary Optical Drive: DVD-ROM
Monitor Type: LCD Widescreen
Monitor Size: 24 inches
Notes: $5499 direct; $4699 without monitor
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Plus, a terabyte of hard disk space is meaningless in the comparison, and the 600gb drive you're comparing it to. With a 500gb drive installed the total is $5949.
That's with buying the RAM from apple, which one should never do, anyway.
Yeah, it still ends up being more, but like I said before, Windows is fugly and stupid. Case closed.
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It's funny hearing the mac people talk about it. Instead of admitting that mac is vulnerable to virus like any high tech device, they start making excuses why this is not a big threat, all you have to do is turn off xyz, blah blah blah (sounds like some windows users hehehe). Embrace viruses, they exist, thinking you are immune is just asking for trouble.
The next two to three years should be interesting as I foresee some mac viruses that are going to nuke a lot of computers just like windows. Mac users will lose a lot of their naivety as they deal with security issues they have not had to worry about until now.
p.s. By the way, I'm not just blowing smoke here. I have been running my pc's without virus checking for a long time. They provide a false sense of security too as far as I am concerned. Assuming an OS is not secure, learned from using an unsecure OS, has helped me out a lot to remain virus free.
p.s.s I rambled on far more than intended. You may whack me to the ground when ready
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