How about an obvious example of something with pores, SKIN. Right? Skin has pores. But, skin appears smooth to the naked eye. The pores are only visible under a microscope. It allows oil and water (sweat) to come out, allows oil and water to go in. Now, if I entered a picture of skin it would not be one of the finest examples of something that LOOKS porous. Probably would not be chosen. Unless, of course, I could come up with a profound looking photograph.
My interpretation of the challenge was to come up with something that LOOKS porous and create a picture that demonstrates the IDEA of porosity. When I pour water on concrete I see bubbles as the water seeps into the concrete and air comes out. Yes, I agree that concrete is very porous. I'm not sure I could capture that picture.
Granite countertops are porous, that's why they have to be seeled in order to be used in kitchens. Granite is a stone and natural stone is porous, but a shiny smooth granite countertop does not demonstrate porosity. A rough granite rock might look more porous and certainly that concrete statue looks porous.
Yep, the themes of the challenges are open to the interpretation of each photographer. I'm always surprised at the number of different ideas that people come up with for the challenges. These themes get us thinking creatively. I have spent whole days setting up shots. Sometimes I have the time, sometimes I don't.
I like the idea of a theme as a challenge for my creativity. I hate staring at a blank canvas and saying "what shall I paint?" It's the same as "writers block" and that blank piece of paper.:D That's why they call these "challenges" and not "contests". The idea is to accept the challenge and challenge yourself to create a good photograph.
I applaud the judges for the time and effort they put into their selection. I applaud all the entrants for accepting the challenge to create a worthy photograph. I am sorry that I did not have the time to devote to the challenge this time. I'm the loser. All the entrants are winners.
Rules as to the subject matter???? Interpretation rules???
I never thought about that. I thought that was what we were voting on.
Funny how differently rules can be interpreted in their ownselves.
I found this a very difficult challenge, to the extent of impossible (all I could think of was biological osmosis at the microscopic level, which I could not personally photograph, even with my new macro lens).
I made a decision not to enter. I commend the people who did enter! One of the disputed photographs I thought was practically at the level of genius. And there were many photographs I liked. Some close than others to MY personal interpretation of the subj matter.
I have not voted yet, don't know when the closing is, but I hope to vote.
But rules as to how the subject is interpreted? That is new to me.
If that were inforced, now what would I have left as one of my voting criteria?
i believe the teabag is more permeable than it is porous.
Hey Dirty Sanchez,
Main Entry:porous
Part of Speech:adjective Definition: absorbent Synonyms: absorptive, having holes, penetrable, permeable, pervious, spongelike, spongy
It's art people.
Simple as that. Photography is art. Art is subjective.
You can't rule out entries based on content for just that reason.
I have a quick example of something I was thinking about doing for the contest (but couldn't get together). I was thinking about doing a boxer getting punched in the face...right between his hands, held up in defense. Obviously, a POUROUS defense, because it was penetrated by his opponent. Would you disqualify that? It's my interpretation of pourous.
I'm away at an all-day conference and return to find THIS!!!???
I try for 15 months as a member to win a challenge just to endure THIS!!!!????
Listen up Rally, let me make this plain and simple. I struggled for 2 days very carefully considering EACH AND EVERY ONE of the 35 entries at which point I had narrowed the list of contenders to 12. It took me another day and a half to cull two shots to meet the required 10. It was painful. I chose against some I consider friends. The shot I personally like the best is NOT the front-runner in the voting.
There can only be 10 finalists!
I will not chance embarrasing nor insulting any of the participants by explaining the reasons why I chose one over the other, nor am I sure there is an explanation that would satisfy you or anyone that wants to rant.
This is a friggin' game. Get over yourself.
Take a little time to reflect upon the totality of the definitions of porous and its variations, factor in creative interpretation by the photographer as well as me as judge and tell me how ANY of the 10 I selected do not meet the criteria. Better yet, keep it to yourself. I'm not interested.
You go, boy! Like I said, until the shoes of the challenge judge are trod in, nobody can know how difficult this is. Ang, you did a fine job and I know you are also photographically richer for it.
Some of you have to understand that this challenge/contest is much like a figure skating contest, it all relies on the judges. Yes its not exactly perfect, if it was, then everyone who enters should be able to be voted on and let a photographic democracy occur. However, we have to follow the rules bestowed on the challenges, if you dont like them then dont participate, simple as that.
I learned a few weeks ago that the images couldnt be no more then 800 pixels on one side, no mroe than 150KBs and I even had one of my images dq'd because my webhost went down during the judging times. But things like this happen.
Rally you're lucky the moderators here are very fair. They could have easily flamed your name or have you banned or even have your post deleted as if it didnt exist, but they are kind enough to keep the subject open. I can name some other forums where this would have probably ended with a quick flame and kick/ban, but I wont call names.
However you have to understand that there are rules imposed on the site and you just have to respect them. Not everyone wins. You just have to deal with it right?
And Andy, its a good thing you moved this into a new thread instead of simply deleting it, silencing someone who wants to protest just makes things worse. And I think everyone is slowly understand how this contest goes.
At least this was being handled well.. for the most part.
You did a great job.
Opinions differ.
You've been exposed to public internet forums long enough to not take somebody's "HO" THAT close to your heart.
Relax, take a sip and smell the poppies:-) :
Cheers!
First off...I was surprised by this thread...it really popped up. I'm going to have to fall on the INTERPRETATION clause. So all these pics were great in my opinion.
Just for the record....I'm a civil engineer and there is such a thing as permeable concrete. .....go ahead...google it.
For me, the purpose of the challenge is to LEARN something, not to win something......I view it as a challenge, NOT a contest.......and nobody can anticipate the soul of the judges......what their priorities are going to be.....and it would only be an exercise in uselessness to try to impose rules about priorities on the judges. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder......and we have a different beholder judging for each challenge..........which is really a GOOD thing if you stop and think about it.....because that way, we cannot anticipate the "priorities" of the judges, and have to go only on our creative instincts. I dunno about everybody else, I am just contributing my little 2 cents worth.
Wow
I haven't read a thread this useless since {Mod. Edit: thread and topic deleted} . <--- made you wonder, right? No, seriously, this one wins.
Somebody had better begin understanding the concept of artistic license.
So, if we had 102 entries for Porous and ten of those photos were of sponges, the judges then should have chosen those ten sponge pictures because sponges are more pourous than a cheese grater shot, or maybe all the others?
:lol4
Hilarious.
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I don't see concrete as beeing porous/permeable. Maybe someone could pass the info to the damn builders:D. Tea bag on the other side, is.
"Flesh to Stone to Dust" is a great photo and I'm glad it's on the challenge voting thread.
Spendind time arguing about interpretation of Ch.62 theme is useless.
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Main Entry:porous
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WOW This thread took a whole cup of coffee to read!
I struggled with this challenge and when I went to google images and web sites for poruos concrete and wood were on the top of the list.
I started with coffee filter and tea bag shots, but could not get a look I liked. When I saw the tea bag entry I smiled and thought "that is the shot I tried to get!"
I thought everyone who entered came up with wonderful ideas, concepts and shots.
I have seen a few challenges where the top 10 just jump out at you and most, like this one, that you pittied the judges having to only pick 10!
"Brewing Tea" - the tea bag may have pores, but they're not visible, so subject is not clearly visible = does not qualify.
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Angelo picked my picture, so obviously he did an outstanding job. I hope the voters are as intelligent, refined, and artistically capable as he is... 'cause I really could use those $40!
1st off, one of the things I like about the photo challenge is the very fact that folks stretch the definition of the challenge. To me, good art is often about bending rules- so I don't get the beef about the photos not qualifying.
BTW, in my job I deal with industrial floor coatings. I've seen water vapor travel from the ground though several feet of concrete, popping off 1/4" thick epoxy bonded flooring systems. That's pretty damn porous.
And, as the aussie said, if tea wasn't porous, well, you couldn't make tea, could you?
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My interpretation of the challenge was to come up with something that LOOKS porous and create a picture that demonstrates the IDEA of porosity. When I pour water on concrete I see bubbles as the water seeps into the concrete and air comes out. Yes, I agree that concrete is very porous. I'm not sure I could capture that picture.
Granite countertops are porous, that's why they have to be seeled in order to be used in kitchens. Granite is a stone and natural stone is porous, but a shiny smooth granite countertop does not demonstrate porosity. A rough granite rock might look more porous and certainly that concrete statue looks porous.
Yep, the themes of the challenges are open to the interpretation of each photographer. I'm always surprised at the number of different ideas that people come up with for the challenges. These themes get us thinking creatively. I have spent whole days setting up shots. Sometimes I have the time, sometimes I don't.
I like the idea of a theme as a challenge for my creativity. I hate staring at a blank canvas and saying "what shall I paint?" It's the same as "writers block" and that blank piece of paper.:D That's why they call these "challenges" and not "contests". The idea is to accept the challenge and challenge yourself to create a good photograph.
I applaud the judges for the time and effort they put into their selection. I applaud all the entrants for accepting the challenge to create a worthy photograph. I am sorry that I did not have the time to devote to the challenge this time. I'm the loser. All the entrants are winners.
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I never thought about that. I thought that was what we were voting on.
Funny how differently rules can be interpreted in their ownselves.
I found this a very difficult challenge, to the extent of impossible (all I could think of was biological osmosis at the microscopic level, which I could not personally photograph, even with my new macro lens).
I made a decision not to enter. I commend the people who did enter! One of the disputed photographs I thought was practically at the level of genius. And there were many photographs I liked. Some close than others to MY personal interpretation of the subj matter.
I have not voted yet, don't know when the closing is, but I hope to vote.
But rules as to how the subject is interpreted? That is new to me.
If that were inforced, now what would I have left as one of my voting criteria?
ginger
Hey Dirty Sanchez,
Main Entry: porous
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: absorbent
Synonyms: absorptive, having holes, penetrable, permeable, pervious, spongelike, spongy
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Simple as that. Photography is art. Art is subjective.
You can't rule out entries based on content for just that reason.
I have a quick example of something I was thinking about doing for the contest (but couldn't get together). I was thinking about doing a boxer getting punched in the face...right between his hands, held up in defense. Obviously, a POUROUS defense, because it was penetrated by his opponent. Would you disqualify that? It's my interpretation of pourous.
Anyway, just my $.02
.. another case of Minoltaman coming.. :cry
I try for 15 months as a member to win a challenge just to endure THIS!!!!????
Listen up Rally, let me make this plain and simple. I struggled for 2 days very carefully considering EACH AND EVERY ONE of the 35 entries at which point I had narrowed the list of contenders to 12. It took me another day and a half to cull two shots to meet the required 10. It was painful. I chose against some I consider friends. The shot I personally like the best is NOT the front-runner in the voting.
There can only be 10 finalists!
I will not chance embarrasing nor insulting any of the participants by explaining the reasons why I chose one over the other, nor am I sure there is an explanation that would satisfy you or anyone that wants to rant.
This is a friggin' game. Get over yourself.
Take a little time to reflect upon the totality of the definitions of porous and its variations, factor in creative interpretation by the photographer as well as me as judge and tell me how ANY of the 10 I selected do not meet the criteria. Better yet, keep it to yourself. I'm not interested.
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Hey...
Congrats on winning the last challenge, I hope you can see to entering again.
... come along.
I learned a few weeks ago that the images couldnt be no more then 800 pixels on one side, no mroe than 150KBs and I even had one of my images dq'd because my webhost went down during the judging times. But things like this happen.
Rally you're lucky the moderators here are very fair. They could have easily flamed your name or have you banned or even have your post deleted as if it didnt exist, but they are kind enough to keep the subject open. I can name some other forums where this would have probably ended with a quick flame and kick/ban, but I wont call names.
However you have to understand that there are rules imposed on the site and you just have to respect them. Not everyone wins. You just have to deal with it right?
And Andy, its a good thing you moved this into a new thread instead of simply deleting it, silencing someone who wants to protest just makes things worse. And I think everyone is slowly understand how this contest goes.
At least this was being handled well.. for the most part.
You did a great job.
Opinions differ.
You've been exposed to public internet forums long enough to not take somebody's "HO" THAT close to your heart.
Relax, take a sip and smell the poppies:-)
Cheers!
Just for the record....I'm a civil engineer and there is such a thing as permeable concrete.
Kevin
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Good luck to Everyone
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I haven't read a thread this useless since {Mod. Edit: thread and topic deleted} . <--- made you wonder, right? No, seriously, this one wins.
Somebody had better begin understanding the concept of artistic license.
So, if we had 102 entries for Porous and ten of those photos were of sponges, the judges then should have chosen those ten sponge pictures because sponges are more pourous than a cheese grater shot, or maybe all the others?
:lol4
Hilarious.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - Wayne Gretzky
Sort it out you mob.
If me tea bag aint pourous then 'ow dooze me tea git into me 'ot woter
It aint nuclear medicine.
Um, gus. We don't really drink tea over here. How are we to know?
lol, nuclear medicine. Kind of like rocket surgery.
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Theres arf your problem right there lad. Fancy that 'eh
I drink the free tea at work...good ol Twinnings Green Tea...lol or I Love Lemon....and my absolute favorite....EG.
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I don't see concrete as beeing porous/permeable. Maybe someone could pass the info to the damn builders:D. Tea bag on the other side, is.
"Flesh to Stone to Dust" is a great photo
Spendind time arguing about interpretation of Ch.62 theme is useless.
What I do question is the artistic quality of some. This is another problem
p.s. one thought, on ch.63 is a 30+sec better than 1.00001sec? guess not...
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Some examples:
Here is a fire engine.
Here is a song bird
and here is a portrait of Jimmy Carter
It's Jimmy Hoffa....
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Exactly
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I struggled with this challenge and when I went to google images and web sites for poruos concrete and wood were on the top of the list.
I started with coffee filter and tea bag shots, but could not get a look I liked. When I saw the tea bag entry I smiled and thought "that is the shot I tried to get!"
I thought everyone who entered came up with wonderful ideas, concepts and shots.
I have seen a few challenges where the top 10 just jump out at you and most, like this one, that you pittied the judges having to only pick 10!
But hey that's just my opinion
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It was founded and exists today on Sweet Tea!
Gus, is that your photo??? Cool photo!
ginger