And this is what I did :-) (see the title)
After all, there are tons of ways to fool simplistic "black filters".
Put spaces, asteristics, dots, dashes - any special small characters - inside - and you're golden.
Hopefully, Don and Phil will agree on some less disruptive measures.
I hate to put this post here
But I was having what I thought was a decent conversation with OneThumb in the DPReview thread and I would like to contact him again. Unfortunately, an email to Help at Smugmug got me nowhere, no response, and I can't send email from here. Hopefully you will see this and reply to me at retief@deweydrive.com. It may be that I simply missed a link to Contact Info, if so, please point me in the right direction.
But I was having what I thought was a decent conversation with OneThumb in the DPReview thread and I would like to contact him again. Unfortunately, an email to Help at Smugmug got me nowhere, no response, and I can't send email from here. Hopefully you will see this and reply to me at retief@deweydrive.com. It may be that I simply missed a link to Contact Info, if so, please point me in the right direction.
Thanks,
I'm sure he'll get the email to the help desk or he'll answer your reply right in here. He's a busy daddy of 5 month old twins so I'm sure he'll get to you as soon as he can. Welcome to dgrin
Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance.
Phil is very picky about his business model, and values that over cash.
That is cool...
I fear his success has gone to his head that he thinks it is his job to advise others businesses on thier marketing, bording on business extortion. Blocking competitors is what Got Microsoft in trouble.
He doesn't want smugmug's money, just thier free time coding his business model into thier site!!! So he doesn't want people making a few $$ on referals, but he is ok with diverting the resources we pay for to his personal service instead of custom watermarks.
Phill needs to hire a good programmer that can philter refereal codes without breaking one of his sites main features, sharing photos.
He has no business demanding anyone conform to his view of the world and business. He has everyright to censor his site as he wants.. we can only hope he never runs for parlament.
Phil is very picky about his business model, and values that over cash.
That is cool...
I fear his success has gone to his head that he thinks it is his job to advise others businesses on thier marketing, bording on business extortion. Blocking competitors is what Got Microsoft in trouble.
He doesn't want smugmug's money, just thier free time coding his business model into thier site!!! So he doesn't want people making a few $$ on referals, but he is ok with diverting the resources we pay for to his personal service instead of custom watermarks.
Phill needs to hire a good programmer that can philter refereal codes without breaking one of his sites main features, sharing photos.
He has no business demanding anyone conform to his view of the world and business. He has everyright to censor his site as he wants.. we can only hope he never runs for parlament.
Phil has the right to do with his site what he want. The problem comes from some smugmug usern.
Also it looks like the smugmug links works (again?) in dpreview.
But I was having what I thought was a decent conversation with OneThumb in the DPReview thread and I would like to contact him again. Unfortunately, an email to Help at Smugmug got me nowhere, no response, and I can't send email from here. Hopefully you will see this and reply to me at retief@deweydrive.com. It may be that I simply missed a link to Contact Info, if so, please point me in the right direction.
Thanks,
Hi Retief,
I can't fine any email from you to our helpdesk. Can you please let me know the name and email address you used - was it the one listed here? If so, it didn't arrive. Please try again, help@smugmug.com we really do answer all our mails, and I'll be sure that Onethumb sees your note straight away
I can't fine any email from you to our helpdesk. Can you please let me know the name and email address you used - was it the one listed here? If so, it didn't arrive. Please try again, help@smugmug.com we really do answer all our mails, and I'll be sure that Onethumb sees your note straight away
Cheers!
I just forwarded the email sent yesterday. The note is simply the same as I posted here, I'd like to hear from Don so that I can pass on a few comments directly.
I just forwarded the email sent yesterday. The note is simply the same as I posted here, I'd like to hear from Don so that I can pass on a few comments directly.
Thanks,
retief, we don't see it. It's not getting through to us at help at smugmug.com I've been watching the help mail for the past two hours, also. Please try and send it to awilliamsny at yahoo dot com and I will be SURE that Don gets it.
retief, we don't see it. It's not getting through to us at help at smugmug.com I've been watching the help mail for the past two hours, also. Please try and send it to awilliamsny at yahoo dot com and I will be SURE that Don gets it.
You can also Private Message me here, if that helps. I'll be sure your note gets to Don.
Phil has the right to do with his site what he want. The problem comes from some smugmug usern.
Also it looks like the smugmug links works (again?) in dpreview.
Leif
Yup that is correct. I had to eat crow on Phil's site and I will here too.
I had missread comments on Phil'sand Don's part that made me think Smugmug was coding to do active blocking referal codes for Phils site.
It wasn't so, sounds like Smugmug is making policy changes to keep referals from becoming Spam..
Phil is very picky about his business model, and values that over cash.
That is cool...
I fear his success has gone to his head that he thinks it is his job to advise others businesses on thier marketing, bording on business extortion. Blocking competitors is what Got Microsoft in trouble.
He doesn't want smugmug's money, just thier free time coding his business model into thier site!!! So he doesn't want people making a few $$ on referals, but he is ok with diverting the resources we pay for to his personal service instead of custom watermarks.
Phill needs to hire a good programmer that can philter refereal codes without breaking one of his sites main features, sharing photos.
He has no business demanding anyone conform to his view of the world and business. He has everyright to censor his site as he wants.. we can only hope he never runs for parlament.
I always thought him to be bit of a nazi. Disagree with him and he will fire at you from all angles with counter arguments. Disagree even more and he mau ban you too. A good forum is built with moderators whom the users can trust, not with dictators. The only reason dpreview forums are so popular is due to the great reviews, and also due to the fact that they were one of the early birds.
At some point in time I got banned from dpreview site, atleast thats what I think because I cant even retrieve my password. I think the reason is smugmug referrel code or something else? I am more of a lurker there and not exactly very active. But then I started asking questions on photography-on-the net canon forums and here at dgrin, and I have been very happy
IMHO dgrin has the potential to displace every other photography discussion forum.
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> > credit.
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> $10 credit toward membership fees. $5 goes to the referred "friend".
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We just got an email from Phil Askey saying he was going to shut off and ban all links to SmugMug on dpreview.
We've tried hard (look at my dpreview post history) to provide relevant, informative posts about ourselves and our service without advertising in any way on the forums. But apparently we're getting in trouble because our *customers* are self-advertising themselves.
We'd like to see if we can find a way to make sure that doesn't happen. I'd love to hear any ideas you may have about how we can avoid catastrophe.
Ya know....seeing this literally made my eyes swell----
" Phil Askey wrote: Don has amended his 'codes' page and we will be (attempting to)
block the posting of promotional codes in signatures, we'll be
contacting anyone who uses them and will (respectfully) ask them to
remove them (which we have done on a good dozen occasions in the
past)."
I used to have respect for dpreview and the site as a whole, but if that is the attitude they want to take, it does nothing but hurt their image which has been severly tarnished because of this. Why on earth would he try and do this....? It honestly makes no sense at all.
Ya know....seeing this literally made my eyes swell----
" Phil Askey wrote: Don has amended his 'codes' page and we will be (attempting to) block the posting of promotional codes in signatures, we'll be contacting anyone who uses them and will (respectfully) ask them to remove them (which we have done on a good dozen occasions in the past)."
I used to have respect for dpreview and the site as a whole, but if that is the attitude they want to take, it does nothing but hurt their image which has been severly tarnished because of this. Why on earth would he try and do this....? It honestly makes no sense at all.
The rules at DP Review have been updated, below is the new rules.
"Commercial advertising - Commercial website linking or advertising is not allowed, if you wish to advertise on the site contact us. This rule includes webmasters of other digital photography websites promoting themselves on the forum. You will be banned and have all of your messages removed. Promotional / discount codes - We do not allow the use of promotional codes or discount codes in messages, users signatures or plans. This is simply to avoid putting our members in a position of inadvertently advertising on behalf of a commercial company and falling foul of our commercial advertising rule. It's for the good of all members, so please don't do it. "
Promotional / discount codes - We do not allow the use of promotional codes or discount codes in messages, users signatures or plans. This is simply to avoid putting our members in a position of inadvertently advertising on behalf of a commercial company and falling foul of our commercial advertising rule. It's for the good of all members, so please don't do it. "
That promotional codes one must be new. I remember when I first signed up for smugmug almost 2 years ago I asked on the open talk forum if it was allowed to put my referral code in my sig and everyone told me yes.
The rules at DP Review have been updated, below is the new rules.
"Commercial advertising - Commercial website linking or advertising is not allowed, if you wish to advertise on the site contact us. This rule includes webmasters of other digital photography websites promoting themselves on the forum. You will be banned and have all of your messages removed. Promotional / discount codes - We do not allow the use of promotional codes or discount codes in messages, users signatures or plans. This is simply to avoid putting our members in a position of inadvertently advertising on behalf of a commercial company and falling foul of our commercial advertising rule. It's for the good of all members, so please don't do it. "
My opinion is probably going to be unpopular here but this rule sounds entirely reasonable. It does seem DPR overreacted initially by pulling photo links to smugmug sites, but how many of us can say we haven't overreacted at some point in our lives?
Anyway, I actually like DPR quite a bit and I like dgrin and smugmug quite a bit so I'm glad things appear smoothed over. I'm having trouble, though, seeing how the slaugher of 6 million people by the nazis plus the war deaths and invasion of Europe has anything to do with this situation. I'd only suggest that folks making those analogies take some time to read about World War II.
I'm having trouble, though, seeing how the slaugher of 6 million people by the nazis plus the war deaths and invasion of Europe has anything to do with this situation. I'd only suggest that folks making those analogies take some time to read about World War II.
Yeah, what a great way to lessen the importance of such a tragic event. To me, equating what's going on here with WWII is akin to spitting on the graves of those who suffered and died.
The modification of the DPR rules should have happened at the very beginning, approaching SM directly is totally out of order IMO, as it really had nothing to do with SM as a company and more to do with the control of DPR posters.
Let's just hope they apply the new rules to others using promotional codes with as much vigor as they have done with SM.
Yeah, what a great way to lessen the importance of such a tragic event. To me, equating what's going on here with WWII is akin to spitting on the graves of those who suffered and died.
Why not do this? Create a new alias for your referral program. So e.g., create referral.smugmug.com/accountid=xxxxx
Explain to Phil that he can block all referral.smugmug.com. That will effectively kills all links that would be considered as advertising.
Having dpreview block smugmug is a BIG deal for many users, including me. I really hope you can solve this ASAP.
We just got an email from Phil Askey saying he was going to shut off and ban all links to SmugMug on dpreview.
We've tried hard (look at my dpreview post history) to provide relevant, informative posts about ourselves and our service without advertising in any way on the forums. But apparently we're getting in trouble because our *customers* are self-advertising themselves.
We'd like to see if we can find a way to make sure that doesn't happen. I'd love to hear any ideas you may have about how we can avoid catastrophe.
Why not do this? Create a new alias for your referral program. So e.g., create referral.smugmug.com/accountid=xxxxx
Explain to Phil that he can block all referral.smugmug.com. That will effectively kills all links that would be considered as advertising.
Having dpreview block smugmug is a BIG deal for many users, including me. I really hope you can solve this ASAP.
Dpreview is not blocking any smugmug links. Only referral code links in your signatures there.
Andy:
Can I say in my signature "Get $5 off your Smugmug account," put no referral code in my signature, and then simply include my smugmug link (where my homepage has referral code)? Would that be okay? There would be no referral code in the actual signature that way?
Andy:
Can I say in my signature "Get $5 off your Smugmug account," put no referral code in my signature, and then simply include my smugmug link (where my homepage has referral code)? Would that be okay? There would be no referral code in the actual signature that way?
You are encouraged to put your SmugMug site, and your referral code in your signature, here on Dgrin, if you like, sure. As to other forums, you'll need to abide by their rules
I am trying to discern if that would abide by dpreview rules. Where do we go to determine what is permissible? I saw nothing at dpreview that spelled it out. The rule only says "no referral codes." I do not want to harm other smugmug users on dpreview because I am not following the rules there. I was hoping someone here might be able to clarify.
You are encouraged to put your SmugMug site, and your referral code in your signature, here on Dgrin, if you like, sure. As to other forums, you'll need to abide by their rules
I am trying to discern if that would abide by dpreview rules. Where do we go to determine what is permissible? I saw nothing at dpreview that spelled it out. The rule only says "no referral codes." I do not want to harm other smugmug users on dpreview because I am not following the rules there. I was hoping someone here might be able to clarify.
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At least you're relating it to something you actually *lived* through.
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will it let you use a tinyurl like this?
http://tinyurl.com/m83uz
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And this is what I did :-) (see the title)
After all, there are tons of ways to fool simplistic "black filters".
Put spaces, asteristics, dots, dashes - any special small characters - inside - and you're golden.
Hopefully, Don and Phil will agree on some less disruptive measures.
HTH
heheh. If I cared enough, I'd give it a try!
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But I was having what I thought was a decent conversation with OneThumb in the DPReview thread and I would like to contact him again. Unfortunately, an email to Help at Smugmug got me nowhere, no response, and I can't send email from here. Hopefully you will see this and reply to me at retief@deweydrive.com. It may be that I simply missed a link to Contact Info, if so, please point me in the right direction.
Thanks,
I'm sure he'll get the email to the help desk or he'll answer your reply right in here. He's a busy daddy of 5 month old twins so I'm sure he'll get to you as soon as he can. Welcome to dgrin
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That is cool...
I fear his success has gone to his head that he thinks it is his job to advise others businesses on thier marketing, bording on business extortion. Blocking competitors is what Got Microsoft in trouble.
He doesn't want smugmug's money, just thier free time coding his business model into thier site!!! So he doesn't want people making a few $$ on referals, but he is ok with diverting the resources we pay for to his personal service instead of custom watermarks.
Phill needs to hire a good programmer that can philter refereal codes without breaking one of his sites main features, sharing photos.
He has no business demanding anyone conform to his view of the world and business. He has everyright to censor his site as he wants.. we can only hope he never runs for parlament.
Phil has the right to do with his site what he want. The problem comes from some smugmug usern.
Also it looks like the smugmug links works (again?) in dpreview.
Leif
I can't fine any email from you to our helpdesk. Can you please let me know the name and email address you used - was it the one listed here? If so, it didn't arrive. Please try again, help@smugmug.com we really do answer all our mails, and I'll be sure that Onethumb sees your note straight away
Cheers!
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I just forwarded the email sent yesterday. The note is simply the same as I posted here, I'd like to hear from Don so that I can pass on a few comments directly.
Thanks,
retief, we don't see it. It's not getting through to us at help at smugmug.com I've been watching the help mail for the past two hours, also. Please try and send it to awilliamsny at yahoo dot com and I will be SURE that Don gets it.
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Yup that is correct. I had to eat crow on Phil's site and I will here too.
I had missread comments on Phil'sand Don's part that made me think Smugmug was coding to do active blocking referal codes for Phils site.
It wasn't so, sounds like Smugmug is making policy changes to keep referals from becoming Spam..
I got the story wrong and admit it.
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At some point in time I got banned from dpreview site, atleast thats what I think because I cant even retrieve my password. I think the reason is smugmug referrel code or something else? I am more of a lurker there and not exactly very active. But then I started asking questions on photography-on-the net canon forums and here at dgrin, and I have been very happy
IMHO dgrin has the potential to displace every other photography discussion forum.
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Wow.
Ya know....seeing this literally made my eyes swell----
" Phil Askey wrote:
Don has amended his 'codes' page and we will be (attempting to)
block the posting of promotional codes in signatures, we'll be
contacting anyone who uses them and will (respectfully) ask them to
remove them (which we have done on a good dozen occasions in the
past)."
I used to have respect for dpreview and the site as a whole, but if that is the attitude they want to take, it does nothing but hurt their image which has been severly tarnished because of this. Why on earth would he try and do this....? It honestly makes no sense at all.
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The rules at DP Review have been updated, below is the new rules.
"Commercial advertising - Commercial website linking or advertising is not allowed, if you wish to advertise on the site contact us. This rule includes webmasters of other digital photography websites promoting themselves on the forum. You will be banned and have all of your messages removed.
Promotional / discount codes - We do not allow the use of promotional codes or discount codes in messages, users signatures or plans. This is simply to avoid putting our members in a position of inadvertently advertising on behalf of a commercial company and falling foul of our commercial advertising rule. It's for the good of all members, so please don't do it. "
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That promotional codes one must be new. I remember when I first signed up for smugmug almost 2 years ago I asked on the open talk forum if it was allowed to put my referral code in my sig and everyone told me yes.
My opinion is probably going to be unpopular here but this rule sounds entirely reasonable. It does seem DPR overreacted initially by pulling photo links to smugmug sites, but how many of us can say we haven't overreacted at some point in our lives?
Anyway, I actually like DPR quite a bit and I like dgrin and smugmug quite a bit so I'm glad things appear smoothed over. I'm having trouble, though, seeing how the slaugher of 6 million people by the nazis plus the war deaths and invasion of Europe has anything to do with this situation. I'd only suggest that folks making those analogies take some time to read about World War II.
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Yeah, what a great way to lessen the importance of such a tragic event. To me, equating what's going on here with WWII is akin to spitting on the graves of those who suffered and died.
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Let's just hope they apply the new rules to others using promotional codes with as much vigor as they have done with SM.
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Explain to Phil that he can block all referral.smugmug.com. That will effectively kills all links that would be considered as advertising.
Having dpreview block smugmug is a BIG deal for many users, including me. I really hope you can solve this ASAP.
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Can I say in my signature "Get $5 off your Smugmug account," put no referral code in my signature, and then simply include my smugmug link (where my homepage has referral code)? Would that be okay? There would be no referral code in the actual signature that way?
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The dpreview rules are right here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/rules.asp?forum=1018
Phil's made it very clear, no referral codes in your signature or profile.
Cheers,
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