Assignment #6: Extreme Crop

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  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 9, 2006
    Antonio,
    I don't want to be a bore - may be I am already - but I would like to know if this concept of extreme crop, which is nothing but a crop of the same picture, is correct.

    I would like to know because of the shots I'll be doing tomorrow for this thread.

    I hope I made myself clear.
    I put it in more telegraphic way:

    I have seen crops of the same picture.
    Do they fit the general ideia of the concept extreme crop ?

    Sorry folks. :):
    thumb.gif

    Please read the original post.

    I mentioned "10%" of the original picture.

    I also said PP crops are fine.

    You can go with the pure PP crops, thus inevitably suffering from the lost of resolution. This is post mortem crop. This means a photographer failed to see the real target while s/he was shooting and only realized the real worth of the whole thing afterwards. This happens often, and Rutt's (even outdated) examples are the great proof to that. I have experienced similar issues (also with glasses:-), and I'm sure everybody has plenty of such shots.
    My example with the real-time crop of the leaf on the cul-de-sac is what we *really* want to achieve. You look at the scene and you notice something. You are trying to zoom in, but your lens is not long enough. Hence comes the ultimate zoom, the "foot zoom". This is what this whole class is about - ability to analyze the scene in real-time and make shooting decision right then and there.

    I said in the very beginning - PP crops are fine. Real-time ones are better. Changing the angle totally, like you did with the three people, is, IMHO, a bit outside of this particular assignment. ne_nau.gif

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  • ruttrutt Cave canem! Posts: 6,511Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 9, 2006
    One of my all time favorite extreme crops is a picture of Andy's. Perhaps he'll post the original so you can see how cool a crop this was.
    If not now, when?
  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 9, 2006
    John,
    rutt wrote:
    One of my all time favorite extreme crops is a picture of Andy's. Perhaps he'll post the original so you can see how cool a crop this was.
    I agree, this is an awesome picture! thumb.gif
    Hey, Andy, do you have a bigger view;-)?mwink.gif
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  • ruttrutt Cave canem! Posts: 6,511Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 9, 2006
    OK, I went right out and shot one. This is a PP crop, but she would never have let me do this, even with a tele.

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    If not now, when?
  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 9, 2006
    John,
    rutt wrote:
    OK, I went right out and shot one. This is a PP crop, but she would never have let me do this, even with a tele.
    Breaking the rules of engagement, aren't we? :nono
    Two pictures per entry - one wide, one cropped deal.gif
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  • ruttrutt Cave canem! Posts: 6,511Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 9, 2006
    Nikolai wrote:
    Breaking the rules of engagement, aren't we? :nono
    Two pictures per entry - one wide, one cropped deal.gif

    Jeez, just finished reading Dan's book and I have to admit I didn't read your rules very well (or at all, really). I'll fix the post.
    If not now, when?
  • AndyAndy Bicameral New YorkPosts: 60,808Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 9, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    One of my all time favorite extreme crops is a picture of Andy's. Perhaps he'll post the original so you can see how cool a crop this was.

    wave.gif Hi John, and thanks for remembering this one - I love it, too.

    It was a cold February morning, and I was in a zone. Crossing 5th Avenue at 23rd street, I saw this - and fired off a shot. The whole thing was maybe 2 seconds. 1Ds Mark II with 50mm f/1.4 on board.

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    John actually printed up some rather large (30" x 40") prints from this crop, and they look darn good deal.gif
  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 9, 2006
    Andy,
    Andy wrote:
    wave.gif Hi John, and thanks for remembering this one - I love it, too.

    It was a cold February morning, and I was in a zone. Crossing 5th Avenue at 23rd street, I saw this - and fired off a shot. The whole thing was maybe 2 seconds. 1Ds Mark II with 50mm f/1.4 on board.

    John actually printed up some rather large (30" x 40") prints from this crop, and they look darn good deal.gif

    Thank you very much for playing with us, I do appreciate it!thumb.gif
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  • meewolfiemeewolfie Big grins Posts: 97Registered Users Big grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    First Submission (Thanks for hosting this, Nikolai!)
    Here's my attempt at this assignment.

    From afar:

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    cropped using my feet and lens:

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    Mary
    Brecksville, Ohio
  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Mary,
    meewolfie wrote:
    Here's my attempt at this assignment.
    From afar:
    cropped using my feet and lens:
    Mary

    Very nice, welcome to the class and thank you for a great entry! thumb.gif
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  • AngeloAngelo Turning frowns upsidedown Posts: 8,937Super Moderators moderator
    edited September 10, 2006
    Hey Nikko, I thought I'd give it a try.


    1.
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    2.
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  • ultravoxultravox Such a beginner... Posts: 776Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Nothing fancy...
    :): Hi Nik, tks for letting me into the class room.
    So, first one...
    Cristian.
    [SIZE=-1]It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. - John Lennon.[/SIZE]
  • ultravoxultravox Such a beginner... Posts: 776Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Second
    :):
    Cristian.
    [SIZE=-1]It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. - John Lennon.[/SIZE]
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Always learning Setubal - PortugalPosts: 6,181Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Nikolai wrote:
    Please read the original post.

    I mentioned "10%" of the original picture.

    I also said PP crops are fine.

    You can go with the pure PP crops, thus inevitably suffering from the lost of resolution. This is post mortem crop. This means a photographer failed to see the real target while s/he was shooting and only realized the real worth of the whole thing afterwards. This happens often, and Rutt's (even outdated) examples are the great proof to that. I have experienced similar issues (also with glasses:-), and I'm sure everybody has plenty of such shots.
    My example with the real-time crop of the leaf on the cul-de-sac is what we *really* want to achieve. You look at the scene and you notice something. You are trying to zoom in, but your lens is not long enough. Hence comes the ultimate zoom, the "foot zoom". This is what this whole class is about - ability to analyze the scene in real-time and make shooting decision right then and there.

    I said in the very beginning - PP crops are fine. Real-time ones are better. Changing the angle totally, like you did with the three people, is, IMHO, a bit outside of this particular assignment. ne_nau.gif

    HTH
    OK Nikolai.
    And here I go:
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    All the best ! ... António Correia - Facebook
  • meewolfiemeewolfie Big grins Posts: 97Registered Users Big grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Antonio - I think those are all good, but I especially like the first one (the iron and ironing board pair). I like the pairs of photos where it's almost like a puzzle to see the first picture and then to try and figure out which part of first picture is the crop/close-up is in the second picture. I also that the second picture is interesting as a individual photograph as well.

    Angelo - I really like the shapes and contrast in those photos. I'd be interested to see and even closer shot in the second one - all the way up to the ceiling glass or the details in the cross-beams. Can you fly? :D Obviously, there are situations where getting as close as we would like aren't quite so easy.

    Mary
    Brecksville, Ohio
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Always learning Setubal - PortugalPosts: 6,181Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Thank you for the comment Mary.
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  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Angelo,
    Angelo wrote:
    Hey Nikko, I thought I'd give it a try.
    1.
    2.
    Welcome to the class! Thanks for the entries! thumb.gif
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  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Cristian,
    ultravox wrote:
    :):

    Thanks! thumb.gif
    I think you'g get even better effect if you'd made a tighter crop on the head, don't you think?
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  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Antonio,
    OK Nikolai.
    And here I go:

    I like the first pair a lot! thumb.gif

    3d image is no show, so it' shard to tell how it relates to 4th.ne_nau.gif

    In the last two pairs the angles are changed so drastically, that it's hard to call them zooming/cropping anymore... :uhoh
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  • douglasdouglas ShOoT tO tHrIlL Posts: 696Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Card readers

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    Best regards,
    douglas
  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    King of the Kitchen strikes again!
    douglas wrote:
    Card readers
    Interesting insight :-) thumb.gif
    Great entry, Doug!
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  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Joan,
    Joan wrote:
    My garden:
    and the green lynx spider lying in wait in the plant to the right:
    ~ Joan

    Now that's EXTREME!
    I have no idea where to look for it in the first image ne_nau.gif
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  • BlueHoseJacketBlueHoseJacket Major grins Posts: 507Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    New class member here...
    unfortunately I did not read the "Extreme Crop" definition until after taking these shots. These were taken on the Georgia Tech campus, they were placed on campus as a memorial to the 9/11 victims.

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  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    B H J,
    unfortunately I did not read the "Extreme Crop" definition until after taking these shots. These were taken on the Georgia Tech campus, they were placed on campus as a memorial to the 9/11 victims.

    Welcome to the class! thumb.gif

    It may not be extreme, but it's a definite crop and a nice image! :D

    And you still have until next weekend to gather more crops:-) rolleyes1.gif
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  • SwartzySwartzy Right Brained Scientist Posts: 3,293Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Cloudy, raining, drab day
    but I could't go a day without taking a pic or two and providing some fodder for the extreme crop now could I?

    First:

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    Last

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  • ChrisJChrisJ Major grins Posts: 2,156Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Nihon-en Closeups...
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    Chris
  • Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Always learning Setubal - PortugalPosts: 6,181Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Setubal, Portugal, today some hours ago
    From 16mm to 200mm
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  • larry llarry l peregrino Posts: 25Registered Users Big grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    a first try. I hope this is not too creepy.

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    http://delphic.smugmug.com/photos/94404892-Ti.jpg

    http://delphic.smugmug.com/gallery/1876222/1/94404906
    94404892

    the image is from a public area in a park in Afghanistan.
  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Larry,
    larry l wrote:
    a first try. I hope this is not too creepy.

    http://delphic.smugmug.com/gallery/1876222/1/94404892
    http://delphic.smugmug.com/gallery/1876222/1/94404906

    the image is from a public area in a park in Afghanistan.

    Welcome to the Class!

    Thanks for the entries! thumb.gif
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  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,033Registered Users Major grins
    edited September 10, 2006
    Swartzy,
    Swartzy wrote:
    but I could't go a day without taking a pic or two and providing some fodder for the extreme crop now could I?
    First:
    Last

    Thanks!
    And I think if you'd left pinecones only that would have been even better! rolleyes1.gif
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