VOTE for winner of DGrin Challenge 85: Change

DoctorIt

You have 72 hours from now to cast your vote for the best take on Change


the finalists, not an easy job for our judges
David_S85 (guest mod) and Nikolai (ch84 winner):

chertioga - when day changes into night


Trish323 - refusing to change


TylerW - workflow


Martino - time for a change


VisualXpressions - magic mirror


quark - change of season


nelsonstuff - change in weather


salazar - reflecting the past


Prezwoodz - changing personalities


urbanaries - changing clothes

ivar

w00t! Great shots, all of you!


Come on people vote! you know you want to

pyroPrints.com

I don't know about others but my browser does not show an image for " salazar - reflecting the past". I've have this problems both, with IE, as well as Firefox.

Might be an issue with his hosting. Since he's gotten some votes I'm assuming some people can see him.

Anyone else experiencing the same thing or is it just me?

BTW Some awesome images here.

Nikolai

Pyro,

pyroPrints.com wrote:

I don't know about others but my browser does not show an image for " salazar - reflecting the past". I've have this problems both, with IE, as well as Firefox.

Might be an issue with his hosting. Since he's gotten some votes I'm assuming some people can see him.

Anyone else experiencing the same thing or is it just me?

BTW Some awesome images here.

I see it alright in IE7, on two machines...

Prezwoodz

I knew you guys couldn't turn down the Hulk. Guess you know better then to get me mad! RRRRAAAHHHHH!
:lift


Seriuosly though, Nice set of pictures.

Richard

Nice work, everyone. clap It's going to be hard to choose this time.

Flyinggina

Very nice selection representing different meanings of "change." Congrats to the judges and to everyone who entered. I'm going to have a think a bit before voting. But vote I will.

Virginia

evoryware

How did you manage to narrow it down to 10?

great stuff to sort through. I need a few days to think about this one. Nm I voted.... It just grabbed me too much.

Jeffro

Good luck everyone...sorry but I only had one vote. FYI-I've decided to NEVER EVER vote in another challenge.....

Nikolai

Evoryware,

evoryware wrote:

How did you manage to narrow it down to 10?

We have used a rather complicated scientifically proven procedure called a "tossup".
You throw your (wireless) keyboard in the air, and when it lands on its keys it occasionally produces numbers.
Numbers from different judges were then intermixed. Like first digit of Erik's selected post number the ranked entry from David and his second digit was used as a factor for mine....
It actually gets a little bit more complicated than that, but the results turned out to be OK

HTH

Flash

Where the heck are all the other entrees at, I don't see mine, so why even enter this fixed contest?

gus

Flash wrote:

Where the heck are all the other entrees at, I don't see mine, so why even enter this fixed contest?

First up i would ask that you keep a civil tone if you want a serious answer.

Here are the rules that you didnt read & i will ...just for you.. point out rule #2 ...UP to 10 finalists. Not all entries are chosen.

j photog

gus wrote:

First up i would ask that you keep a civil tone if you want a serious answer.

Here are the rules that you didnt read & i will ...just for you.. point out rule #2 ...UP to 10 finalists. Not all entries are chosen.

I agree about the tone...for sure. But I was a little disappointed. But it made me want to push harder. I'm really not so sure about the best photog contest after seeing these *sigh*
I need to find some confidence!!! :twitch
These were all so great.

gus

j photog wrote:

I agree about the tone...for sure. But I was a little disappointed. But it made me want to push harder. I'm really not so sure about the best photog contest after seeing these *sigh*
I need to find some confidence!!! :twitch
These were all so great.

Re the new contest. Just forget conventional, it can be soooo boring if you are not a pro...its that easy ! Forget the 1/3 rd rule...forget focus.. exposure & sharpness.

Maybe go for a walk with you camera in your hand down beside your leg & fire off shots indiscriminately as you walk along at people..shops...cars...tunnels..at the sun etc etc.

Get the shots home & literally turn them inside out in processing, do stuff you have never done before.

Never take a pro on at their own game as they are way too experienced for 99% of us so thus learn to skirt around them & attack from the sun where they cant see you coming.

Andy

Flash wrote:

Where the heck are all the other entrees at, I don't see mine, so why even enter this fixed contest?

Flash, we have a friendly forum here. We have hard working, volunteer moderators and helpers around here. We have lots of great contributors. We strive for fairness and we demand honesty. We expect a sense of fair play from ALL participants.

Sadly, your posting exemplifies the exception to this rule. And it's not the first time. You are welcome to participate elsewhere, if you don't like it here.

If you continue with this attitude on Dgrin, I will show you the door myself. Am I clear?

Flash

I put allot of time into my entree and those are the best 10 ?
Don't worry last time for this so called contest page

j photog

gus wrote:

Re the new contest. Just forget conventional, it can be soooo boring if you are not a pro...its that easy ! Forget the 1/3 rd rule...forget focus.. exposure & sharpness.

You are so right. Thanks for the advice Gus! I wish everyone would just play nice. I hope this thread isn't ruined officially now.

Shay Stephens

Flash wrote:

I put allot of time into my entree and those are the best 10 ?
Don't worry last time for this so called contest page

I was not a judge, but if I were, this would have been my reply. Time spent on a photo does not give relevancy to the contest or endow the image with anything extra. All it means is that it took you X amount of time to finish it. Everyone is different and every image takes a different amount of time to finish. So the amount of time spent is irrelevant to the judging and to the viewers. All that matters is the image that results from the time spent.

Now, your image doesn't speak of change. The only thing that does is the title. And if you have to rely on a title to get your message across, the image is not working.

You have two elements to the image. Stars and stone. Both are objects that last a very long time and in the human time frame are both immovable and unchanging. So the overall theme of the photo is attractive immutability. Hardly an appropriate theme for a challenge about change wouldn't you agree?

Your photo looks great and is interesting, but it just doesn't apply. Spend more time thinking about how to create a photo relevant to the task and you may do better in the upcoming contest. You certainly have the skill needed everywhere else.

Nikolai

Flash,

Flash wrote:

I put allot of time into my entree and those are the best 10 ?
Don't worry last time for this so called contest page

Sorry, buddy, not everyone wins every time. I know it myself from the bitter experience . And, no, it was not fixed, in case you were not joking...

Nikolai

Shay,

Shay Stephens wrote:

Now, your image doesn't speak of change. The only thing that does is the title. And if you have to rely on a title to get your message across, the image is not working.

You have two elements to the image. Stars and stone. Both are objects that last a very long time and in the human time frame are both immovable and unchanging. So the overall theme of the photo is attractive immutability. Hardly an appropriate theme for a challenge about change wouldn't you agree?

That was my line of thoughts exactly. If there were at least star trails, it could have made a difference since it would deliver at least some notion of time or changes. But in its submitted form... Just as you said, this shot cries "immutable", "eternal". Very nice shot otherwise, but not for this subject

System

Quitters never win...
Hey Flash, he really will show you the door. Trust me on this one pal. Don't give up on the challenges. They will make you a better photographer. I swear. You can't care about the judging. You can't care about winning. All that should matter is that the theme pushed you to produce an image you might not otherwise have been inclined to think about. It's tough to take a specific concept, them, emotion, action etc. and capture it with purpose in a given time span. That's the idea.

There are always many good entires that are not selected, like mine , again. :bash Every challenge is guest judged by the previous winner along with a dgrin mod so the judging standards are ambiguous and always changing. The top 10 are then voted on by the forum members which adds even more uncertainty to the eventual winner and the criterium on which the votes were based. What it all boils down to is that none of it matters so long as creating the image was a rewarding experience for the photographer. I know for me the challenges force me to pick up my camera during periods of of inactivity and that's reason enough for me to keep entering them.

cabbey

great collection of takes on this as usual, congrats to the finalists. Looks like we're in for a close race (again!)

amy wilburn

truth wrote:

Don't give up on the challenges. They will make you a better photographer. I swear. You can't care about the judging. You can't care about winning. All that should matter is that the theme pushed you to produce an image you might no otherwise have been inclined to think about.

yes, truth, I realized a long time ago (at my local city club contests) that even when I don't win, I've won...the end result is that I often DO have a photo I really like that I wouldn't have otherwise taken

win or lose, contests ARE great motivators to get out there and shoot

* edited to add: I really liked your ice:)

explorish

dont ban flash
adminz,

please don't ban flash. he didnt abuse in any way or anything, just expressed anger and criticism. that's fine, its different. lets accept that people get upset, it's ok, and it says something about themselves rather than what they are upset about. look what a nice conversation his outbreak has caused. it's easy to ban and dismiss, but it's not any wiser than his outbreak. do you want to be a uniform community of overly friendly people who actually mask their emotions? or rather a dinamic environment where everyone can express what they FEEL, within boundaries of decency of course?

his/her anger is completely unjustified (to other people, me included), but expressing it turned actually into a chance for him to get a different perspective, and to grow as a person. now whether he will take that opportunity is entirely up to him. but if you ban him, he won't have that chance again. it's almost like "responding to violence with violence".

but he was not violent. just imature and unpolite, but hey, have you always been mature and polite? there are other ways to show people where they belong. banning is the easiest one, and you can always do it as a last resort. so why hurry. it's true that you shouldn't let things disrupt harmony TOO MUCH, but a bit of spice doesn't harm, dontya think?

to me it was fun to read this thread. the replies i mean, very nice and elegant. a pleasure, folks.

salut,

Andy

chertioga wrote:

just imature and unpolite,,

And that's not the Dgrin way, sorry.

Photographers who compete should be gracious in defeat.

twinbnj

Conrgrats to the top ten - a wonderful array of change to go with the new changes here! Good luck to all of you

Martino

Thank you!

Wow, what a great bunch of photos! Thank you all very much for your votes. This is the first photo I have ever submitted for competition/review/critique anywhere, ever. I am blown away that I made the top ten and I am grateful, humbled and in shock to be among such great photographers. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I LOVE Dgrin!! Now, on to that Chilled/Steamy photo………

dancinkate

Beautiful group of photos!

TylerW

Andy wrote:

And that's not the Dgrin way, sorry.

Harsh as it sounds, I think this was the right call. I love Dgrin because, well, lets be honest. Most rational people turn into jerks as soon as they get a keyboard attached to an internet, and Dgrin is one of the few and far between bastions of politeness, kindness and sanity here on the internet. I was really worried that with the new contest, as well as the Fred Miranda fallout, that that would change.

Looks like our mods are well aware of that possibility, and are doing what they can to keep that from happening. its not that hard to be a decent person, and if you can't, plenty of other places on the web to be a jerk.

xris

Nice Shots!
Nice work all. It's a tough theme for a still medium!

Xris

Andy

TylerW wrote:

I was really worried that with the new contest, as well as the Fred Miranda fallout, that that would change.

Side note, I know many, many FMers. And I've been a member there forever. Well, they are by and large a great group of folks. We're lucky to have some of them joining us here!

Looks like our mods are well aware of that possibility, and are doing what they can to keep that from happening. its not that hard to be a decent person, and if you can't, plenty of other places on the web to be a jerk.

Thanks Tyler, well said!