Monday 12:01 AM

Nikolai

While it's not an issue for me personally (I'm not going to count seconds to deadline before submitting my Totally World Dominating Picture:-), wouldn't you agree that saying the deadline is "12:01 am Monday" is a very sophisticated way to say "End of Sunday" or "Sunday Midnight"?

For all practical purposes the deadline is the end of Sunday. However, I can pretty much guarantee that each time we would have some newcomers who'd see "Monday" and think that they have an extra day or so. As we all know, reading is hard...

As a quick, easy and rather effective solution I would humbly:-) suggest to steal two minutes from each two weeks period and move the end to "Sunday 11:59 pm". IMHO, way less ambiguous and misleading...

FWIW

heatherfeather

Great idea... I'm in favor. (Especially since the same thing happened to me as everyone else who missed the deadline.)

Art Scott

I will humbly concur....as I did mis-interpet that and was waiting on some very cool (chilled if you will, absolute zero or very near)to shoot a double take on the chilled / steamy theme and itshould have worked for either chilled or steamy....but when said item arrived I had to turn it away as I had seen the thread that said it had ended......:cry

I don't know if it would have helpped everyone...but had the time been posted as Monday MORNING 12:01 AM....that would have gotten my attention.

Cindy

Great idea With the way this contest is going to grow in # of people entering (just guessing) things such as this that help prevent frustration in advance is a good thing.

ChuckWC

Nikolai wrote:

...
As a quick, easy and rather effective solution I would humbly:-) suggest to steal two minutes from each two weeks period and move the end to "Sunday 11:59 pm". IMHO, way less ambiguous and misleading...
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I would also suggest that no matter what time is used (your new suggestion or the original time), two additional descriptors should be added next to the time: 1) the equivalent military time, and 2) a verbal description. This would make it crystal clear (for people who might get AM and PM mixed up).

For example, if we use your new time, it should read:

Sunday 11:59 pm (i.e., 23:59 in military time, that is, late Sunday night, one minute before midnight).

Or, using the original time, it would read:

Monday 12:01 am (i.e., 00:01 in military time, that is, late Sunday night/very early Monday morning, one minute past midnight).

Shay Stephens

At first I was confused, but now I see you are talking about the LPS#2 entry thread. The "rules" post already states 00:01 (12:01am), NYC time (GMT -5), so I copied that to the LPS#2 entry thread, so now they match

Thank you for bring that up! Subsequent entry threads should get that same format.

Nikolai

Shay Stephens wrote:

At first I was confused, but now I see you are talking about the LPS#2 entry thread. The "rules" post already states 00:01 (12:01am), NYC time (GMT -5), so I copied that to the LPS#2 entry thread, so now they match

Thank you for bring that up! Subsequent entry threads should get that same format.

So, we're still going to have the end on Monday, even though there is only 60 seconds of it that counts?

Shay Stephens

Nikolai wrote:

So, we're still going to have the end on Monday, even though there is only 60 seconds of it that counts?

If it helps, think of it as ending Sunday night, two minutes late. Kind of like a bakers dozen, two minutes free for you slackers out there

Shay Stephens

Deadlines matter!
The 12:01 am ending time is tricky, but only to those who are not paying attention. I think it makes for a great filter and trainer to pay attention to things that matter. Deadlines can be make or break for a working photographer. Better to learn to pay attention to such things here than make a huge mistake on the job out in the real world


We need a kick in the pants smiley :whip

Nikolai

Shay Stephens wrote:

The 12:01 am ending time is tricky, but only to those who are not paying attention. I think it makes for a great filter and trainer to pay attention to things that matter. Deadlines can be make or break for a working photographer. Better to learn to pay attention to such things here than make a huge mistake on the job out in the real world

OK, I tried.
After all, it's gonna be your guys job to answer all those countless "I thought it says Monday noon" posts, not mine:-)

As I mentioned in the very beginning, for me personally it's not an issue...

Osprey

Why not say
Why not say : by sunday; that makes it clear that you have all 24 hours of sunday and no more...........

Andy

Osprey wrote:

Why not say : by sunday; that makes it clear that you have all 24 hours of sunday and no more...........

because "Sunday" is different all around the globe.

Andy

Nikolai wrote:

OK, I tried.
After all, it's gonna be your guys job to answer all those countless "I thought it says Monday noon" posts, not mine:-)

We have written the times in the rules, that question is already pre-answered.

As I mentioned in the very beginning, for me personally it's not an issue...

Good, then why the new thread? Go shoot and let Shay and Doc worry about it

Nikolai

Andy wrote:

Good, then why the new thread?

Because I care?

Andy wrote:

Go shoot and let Shay and Doc worry about it

:hide

DoctorIt

Nikolai wrote:

OK, I tried.
After all, it's gonna be your guys job to answer all those countless "I thought it says Monday noon" posts, not mine:-)

Andy and Shay play good cop. Time to meet Doc, bad cop... there's this thing called the "delete post" button.

You feelin' lucky, punk?

rutt

Dgrin is like Switzerland or Germany to Fred Miranda's Italy or Caribbean island in this respect. When the second had passes 12, bang! the dgrin contest closes. Too bad if you want to enter at 12:01:01. Thank you, sir, may I have another.

At Fred Miranda, the second hand passes 12. A day goes by. Then another. Than the contest is extended for a week, maybe. Then the second hand passes 12. Nothing. People post: will this contest ever close? Meanwhile the voting on the last one stays open until the current one closes... Have another glass of wine and enjoy the sunset.

Shay Stephens wrote:

The 12:01 am ending time is tricky, but only to those who are not paying attention. I think it makes for a great filter and trainer to pay attention to things that matter. Deadlines can be make or break for a working photographer. Better to learn to pay attention to such things here than make a huge mistake on the job out in the real world


We need a kick in the pants smiley :whip

Andy

rutt wrote:

Dgrin is like Switzerland or Germany to Fred Miranda's Italy or Caribbean island in this respect. When the second had passes 12, bang! the dgrin contest closes. Too bad if you want to enter at 12:01:01. Thank you, sir, may I have another.

At Fred Miranda, the second hand passes 12. A day goes by. Then another. Than the contest is extended for a week, maybe. Then the second hand passes 12. Nothing. People post: will this contest ever close? Meanwhile the voting on the last one stays open until the current one closes... Have another glass of wine and enjoy the sunset.

And does FM have a $27K prize pot?

Rules are rules. Deal with it. We have a ton of hard working volunteers here, who, if they weren't making things happen for the folks who participate in this challenge, would participate themselves. Let's cut them all a break, shall we, and leave this type of nonsense alone.

Rules are rules, deal with it.

DoctorIt

Andy wrote:

Hey cranky-pants, I think Rutt's agreeing with us! As in, having firm rules is a good thing!

Andy

DoctorIt wrote:

Hey cranky-pants, I think Rutt's agreeing with us! As in, having firm rules is a good thing!

I never can tell, with :rutt Rutt

That's a good thing, keeps us on our toes

winger

DoctorIt wrote:

Hey cranky-pants, I think Rutt's agreeing with us! As in, having firm rules is a good thing!

Is this when we hug and get cookies?

mmmm cookies at ANY time of the day.

DoctorIt

winger wrote:

Is this when we hug and get cookies?

mmmm cookies at ANY time of the day.

no cookies for you!

winger

DoctorIt wrote:

no cookies for you!

but but.....but

Don't you have some big paper to write.

I can just share my cookies with people that are NOT you. :-P

evoryware

It's only 12:01AM for one time zone. Everyone needs to pay attention and figure what EST equates to in their location.

pyroPrints.com

DoctorIt wrote:

no cookies for you!

Bendr

:giggle

rutt

DoctorIt wrote:

Hey cranky-pants, I think Rutt's agreeing with us! As in, having firm rules is a good thing!

Actually I love both Italy and Switzerland. And they can both be frustrating. I certainly know better than to expect the Swiss to behave like the Italians or visa-versa. It's fun to compare, though, isn't it?

Andy

rutt wrote:

Actually I love both Italy and Switzerland. And they can both be frustrating. I certainly know better than to expect the Swiss to behave like the Italians or visa-versa. It's fun to compare, though, isn't it?

I like Skiing from Switzerland into Italy, having lunch, and then going back

DoctorIt

Andy wrote:

I like Skiing from Switzerland into Italy, having lunch, and then going back

I like Swiss chocolate and Italian motorcycles

rutt

Andy wrote:

I like Skiing from Switzerland into Italy, having lunch, and then going back

Yeah I've done that. What the &*#$%$ am I doing sitting here in front of this stupid computer, come to think of it?

Even in Italy, I suppose, they stop running the ski lift approximately when they say they will. So if that lunch gets too long, you either have to take a taxi, stay in an Italian hotel, or climb (which is no joke in the Alps.)+

winger

DoctorIt wrote:

I like Swiss chocolate and Italian motorcycles

Can we put the choclate in some cookies.

Look at the kitten! dont deny the kitten.

rutt

DoctorIt wrote:

I like Swiss chocolate and Italian motorcycles

You know, this is kind of profound. I love Italian chocolate as it turns out. Bacci. And why isn't there a Swiss motorcycle? They make great trains and roads. But no cars or motorcycles. Why not?