Muench Studio Print Workshop April, 2008

DavidTO

pathfinder wrote:

Please tell the folks that you did not cut your hand at the workshop!!

You departed this afternoon in good working order!!

Were you cutting up some veggies for a vegan meal perhaps??

Sorry to hear abut your misfortune.

I was telling people that you were so excited by your large print that you were holding it up, running around the room in circles, yelling "woop, woop!!!!" when the print fluttered by my hand, causing a huge paper cut. That is a much better visual than what really happened.

I guess I'll just start telling the truth and say that I sliced it on a piece of glass I was trying to remove from something, and I should have been wearing gloves. Chalk it up to my own stupidity.

Tango

amazing workshop.
amazing people.
amazing techniques.
simply an honor being with this group.
everyone, im so glad to meet you!

Marc & Tom & David; thank you, i can not express enough what this workshop meant to me.

Marc, thanks for your counsel on so many subjects, it was an honor, thanks.
Tom, thank you for answering the same questions over and over for me!
David, thanks for being such a great host & and thanks for the whipping of my work!

Jim, thanks for great shootout monday morning! i cant wait to get going on the PP on them!

Nick, you rock! 82nd airborne material for sure, thanks for the great shoot on the beach! it was very fun! even the amazing run we had to catch the light. ( nik, ran with a 50 pound pack...wow, simply a trooper)

:cry its all over now, and now here i am at work.

Marc Muench

Everyone,

I must say, I was impressed and inspired by everyones enthusiasm, patience and above all talent Tom and I were able to view the prints as they were coated to see all the work you completed in such a short time.

Just a few fun pics of great memories


Pathfinder looking at his soon to be Fine Art Print:D



Roger workin the G9:ivar



Gluwater wondering why I am taking a picture of him



Aaron sharing his pics with a innocent bystander,,,,, oh but theres more to the story now look down




Aaron was so engaging she simply forgot about well everything





And this is what happens in camera when you pick up your camera during mid exposure to keep your feet dry


I think I need to learn how to draw with a camera:ivar 30sec exposure!



And thanks to Pathfinder for this one I was standin around flappin my jaw when he came up and showed me his shot of this pond in his G9. Of course, Jim I will send you half the earnd royalties:D



Long exposure of my favorite surf spot:ivar


Thank you again everyone, and I look forward to seeing more of your work on dgrin and on the walls of homes around the world

Marc M.

pathfinder

I want to thank Marc for being such a gracious host and such an excellent teacher for the print workshop last weekend.

He is always so generous of his time , and truly eager to teach his students to 'fish for themselves'. Whether it is how to use a T&S lens, or merge a large pano, or finally, fully grasp the beauty and speed of the Quick Mask technique, he is always an inspiring teacher. Absolutely first rate.

I enjoyed meeting and learning from Tom as well. David was his usual convivial self, and ferried us around in his new Prius.. Loved that car, David.

The quality of the prints by the attendees was really first class. We all learned from each other as well.

Here is the image I showed Marc. I went back next morning and shot it with a 40D, but it is still in the camera. This is from the G9, that Marc printed as a 16 x 20 inch print for me. Who would have believed we would be printing point and shoots at 16 x 20 inches

schmoo

Everyone,

I am so sad I couldn't be there. Here's to many more successful and engaging workshops!

Tango

here is how its done...
1. wait for the light.
2. dont get shoes wet.
3. get as close as possible with a $10,000 set-up.
4. look good doing it.



Here is the shot i was sharing with the fine lady from france...
a little dolphin wandering around.... where's that 600mm when you need it:D



btw, thank goodness i brought extra shoes!

gluwater

AaronNelson wrote:

here is how its done...
1. wait for the light.
2. dont get shoes wet.
3. get as close as possible with a $10,000 set-up.
4. look good doing it.

Well I've got the first two down.

I've got to work on those others

Marc Muench wrote:

ian408

Marc Muench wrote:

Long exposure of my favorite surf spot:ivar

I'd come back with longer glass...heavy crop from a 70-200 shot.

Tango

gluwater wrote:

Well I've got the first two down.

I've got to work on those others

well im 0-4,

btw, everytime i see that pic of marc i worry the camera is going for a dive into the surf....it drives me crazy.....

gluwater

AaronNelson wrote:

here is how its done...
1. wait for the light.
2. dont get shoes wet.
3. get as close as possible with a $10,000 set-up.
4. look good doing it.

Tango

during the workshop we all printed on one specific paper....(excluding the canvas)....

what lexjet paper was it specifically?

gluwater

AaronNelson wrote:

during the workshop we all printed on one specific paper....(excluding the canvas)....

what lexjet paper was it specifically?

eSatin 300gsm

gluwater

AaronNelson wrote:

thank you kindly.

one more question:
what paper was it that had really good color but was reportly a little too thick, Marc's printer heads would slightly scratch the paper print because of the thickness...?

Fibre Elite 285gsm

Oh and I think it might actually be the stiffness and curl of the paper not the thickness that was causing the rubbing.

Marc Muench

Also, several of you asked me about the coating and if it was available in aersol. And the answer is YES, right here
The first three on that list are cans but just remember, the gloss can't be cut in half in the aersol can so I would rec the semigloss

Ann McRae

Marc Muench wrote:

And you think me and the Vichich's are trouble!?!

gluwater

Ann McRae wrote:

And you think me and the Vichich's are trouble!?!

:beatwax

DavidTO

I've finally had some time to get some pictures processed from the workshop.

So, here's a little tour:

The setup:



Ian408, hard at work!




Dan of Sitka, AK with that deer in the headlights look. He gets that look whenever Marc is talking.




Nick "foot in mouth" Gluwater:




Pathfinder discovers adjustment layers and masks.




Lori, always smiling.





Tom, aka The Pixel Pusher (TM)




Admiring the output:





The gallery wrap demo:





Nick shoots the coast:





PF Shoots....





and chimps!





Aaron "Goofy Grin" Nelson.

Tango

that was really funny

what a bunch of great people!


question, why did we print in 240 res? should i be printing in 240 res instead of 300 ?

pathfinder

'cause thats what Marc does, and what he told us to do.

I suspect if you make two prints - one at 300 ppi, and another at 240 ppi, and then inspect them, they may be hard to tell apart. I'll bet Marc had run that exercise.

You saw the pair or large prints Marc made - one from a 1DsMkll, and the second from a 1DsMklll - to compare directly their differences in print quality.
Marc is pretty thorough.

Nothing wrong with printing at 300 ppi, if that is what your printer supports. When we get our prints back from Marc, lets look at them very carefully with a loupe, and see if we really can see that much grain from the printing head.

ivar

pathfinder wrote:

I suspect if you make two prints - one at 300 ppi, and another at 300 ppi, and then inspect them, they may be hard to tell apart.

I suspect you are right

pathfinder

Try 300ppi and 240 ppi My fingers must have been tired or my brain

pathfinder

A few of the attendees....

Our fearless leader


David getting low too


Nick was getting down too



Aaron was a man on a Mission



And this fellow was just going fishing



Roger was getting down too



Walter was peering intently


Ian was chimping while Tom was pondering



Lori was trying to hide





And these two fellas were off for a good afternoon ride



It was a great weekend, Marc!

Marc Muench

:giggle I agree

Marc Muench

AaronNelson wrote:

question, why did we print in 240 res? should i be printing in 240 res instead of 300 ?

There is a trade off, size or resolution. Inkjet print heads are divisible by 12 so 180, 240 and 360 are best. Lightjet printers utilize a RIP that optimizes res at 300ppi. Therefore, I rec 240 as ninety some percent of the time no one ever notices the diff between 240ppi and 360ppi on an inkjet printer

Many landscapes that lack diagonal lines will print well at 180ppi remember the example we showed of 120ppi? 120 actually works well at sizes larger than 60" for display work, at that size the appropriate sharpening is more important than the resolution. Of course this is not recomended for fine art reproduction but!!!!!!!!!!!!

gluwater

DavidTO wrote:

Nick "foot in mouth" Gluwater:

:uhoh :bash I'm never going to live that down am I? I bet I looked that red in the face when I stuck my foot in my mouth!

DavidTO wrote:

Admiring the output:

Wow, that print looks fantastic, I wish I had that hanging on my wall!!

Thanks for taking some pictures of everyone David and Jim .

Tango

Marc Muench wrote:

There is a trade off, size or resolution. Inkjet print heads are divisible by 12 so 180, 240 and 360 are best. Lightjet printers utilize a RIP that optimizes res at 300ppi. Therefore, I rec 240 as ninety some percent of the time no one ever notices the diff between 240ppi and 360ppi on an inkjet printer

Many landscapes that lack diagonal lines will print well at 180ppi remember the example we showed of 120ppi? 120 actually works well at sizes larger than 60" for display work, at that size the appropriate sharpening is more important than the resolution. Of course this is not recomended for fine art reproduction but!!!!!!!!!!!!

got it. my mind is slowly recovering from all the revelations produced from the workshop weekend...
sorry if i have even more questions to come....but man, this avenue im going down is an intense one....bare with me....

Tango

pathfinder wrote:

I suspect if you make two prints - one at 300 ppi, and another at 240 ppi, and then inspect them, they may be hard to tell apart. I'll bet Marc had run that exercise. .

at this point im not certain what my printer is supporting other than 300....i would think it supported 240 or what ever i told it too...and it better fetch too...:D
i will find out this week end, im printing a few things .....

devbobo

i'm kinda bummed that I had to pull out, then ended up being in the US anyway

Looks like it was an awesome workshop :ivar

pathfinder

We missed ya, Dev

Tango

Marc, another question ....
using pigment ink, would you say metamerism occurs more or less on fiber elite than to eSatin paper?

it seems to me metamerism is undetectable on eSatin so what is expected on fiber elite.

im wanting to buy the elite, but since its 3-4 time more $$ i need some advice (or reminder) ...

thanks, Aaron