James, to put this as nicely as possible, you've really missed a lot (not your fault, just pointing out you're late to the party), and unfortunately, the questions you are asking are dredging up LOTS of heated topics (what is a photo? is compositing fair? is photoshop fair?)
I would encourage you to take a moment to search through some of our older threads, there is a wealth of "discussion" on all of these topics.
At this point, this is a dead debate. LPS is over, and when/if there is an LPSII, the rules will be different. So lets not get all ruffled again over something that is now well in the past.
If you have an image that is a composite of say four photographs, would all 4 photos have to be taken within the dates to be legal? And if so how would you check the EXIF?
If you have an image that is a composite of say four photographs, would all 4 photos have to be taken within the dates to be legal? And if so how would you check the EXIF?
Under LPS I rules, I believe the "vast majority" of the composite needed to be taken with the dates. But only a single EXIF needed to be submitted.
If you have an image that is a composite of say four photographs, would all 4 photos have to be taken within the dates to be legal? And if so how would you check the EXIF?
If this is a serious post-processing question, since this is the contest forum, and I haven't the first clue about pixel-peeping techniques, I'll happily make this post a new thread for you in the digital darkroom forum.
Congrats guys, you just got your own thread, knock yourselves out!
And on that note, I'm done - seriously, Andy and I won't be making anymore comments here. The contest is done. Let me remind you, it was Dgrin's contest, Dgrin's rules, and Dgrin's money/prizes to dole out. I think we did well, very well in fact, and I've made it clear IF and when there is an LPSII, there will be a fully new set of rules.
Congrats guys, you just got your own thread, knock yourselves out!
And on that note, I'm done - seriously, Andy and I won't be making anymore comments here. The contest is done. Let me remind you, it was Dgrin's contest, Dgrin's rules, and Dgrin's money/prizes to dole out. I think we did well, very well in fact, and I've made it clear IF and when there is an LPSII, there will be a fully new set of rules.
So really, what is the point?
For what it's worth, I liked the existing rules. I stumbled on LPS around #11 and was able to read for myself through the existing threads and easily determine what the rules were. I had a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to the new LPS. Great job guys!
I understand it was dgrin's contest but it appears you gave the money away to someone you shouldn't. Notice I said "appears". Some people that worked hard trying to win may be disappointed.
Im not following you here. Dont tip toe about...say whats on your mind. Im assuming you mean composite photos being used ...correct ?
I understand it was dgrin's contest but it appears you gave the money away to someone you shouldn't. Notice I said "appears". Some people that worked hard trying to win may be disappointed.
Thank you. I have said a number of times that photo contests suck because they always end in picayune squabbling over rules, judging, etc. and it looks like I was right.
I didn't vote for Vandana's entry but her image was stunning and well worthy of the prize. Instead of saying congrats and moving on some want to quibble over :bigbs.
Composites were allowed under the rules and whether or not Vandana's entry was a composite or not is not an issue. The Exif shows it was taken within LPS's timeline. End of story.
We are not the FBI we can't investigate every possible perceived "infraction". No one has demonstrated that her image was not taken within LPS's timeline. Yet some persist in casting doubt w/o any credible evidence. All I can suggest is that they stop.
I've have had the privilege of viewing Vandana's images for awhile now and she is an amazingly gifted photgrapher. To see anyone cast doubts on her integrity w/o a piece of credible evidence is insulting and mean-spirited.
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I am not sqaubbling over bullshit. My question was if a composite image is allowed do all the images used to compose one image need to be taken within the dates or not?
For the slow. If I take a image of a dog, another of a ball, and another of a landscape then combine the three is it wrong if the image of the ball was taken outside the contest dates? And if an image like that is entered is the EXIF of all three images checked?
And while we are being smartasses to each other and not civil then your welcome for proving you right.
You continue to prove me right. The EXIF data provided met the requirements of LPS. BTW, EXIF data can easily be edited so even that is not foolproof.
You wrote "it appears you gave the money away to someone you shouldn't". That is an attack on Vandana's integrity. You have nothing to sustain that charge other than your own paranoia. If you have any integrity you would apologize.
Fortunately the powers that be have decided not to continue LPS so we won't have to deal with this :bigbs again.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Fortunately the powers that be have decided not to continue LPS so we won't have to deal with this :bigbs again.
ahhh! did I miss something.
btw, I only caught the last few rounds of LPS, did not enter a single entry and I completely understand the rules. I thought Vandana was a well deserving winner .
Is there a reason you continue attacking me? Maybe you owe me an apology.
I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I just asked a question and have yet to get a straight forward answer.
"it appears you gave the money away to someone you shouldn't".
That is an attack on the integrity of one of our members. You typed it and hit the submit button. I am "attacking" your action impugning the integrity of one of our members and a superb photographer too.
If you wish to standby that statement, back it up. If you can't back it up w/o anything but your own paranoia then retract it.
That's all I have to say on this matter.
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The Contest & Challenges Forum Moderator and Dgrin Admin will handle any irregularities, and their decisions are final.
This is not to say there was any irregularity - except for the fact that the rules are being challenged - and the winner is being challenged. Forget it, the contest is over, the prize awarded and the guys in the blue suits have validated everything 8 ways to Sunday. Thank you all
Why am I being threatened for asking a question that still has not been answered. I could give a (mod edit) less who won and how it was won. I just asked a question and am not being threatened?
I am telling you to watch how you reply in d/grin & i considered your manner to be not what is acceptable. Also...i have also removed your swearing from your post & would ask that you do not do it again.
How come a moderator chooses not to receive PM's or emails?
Same as any normal user.
Rex, I answered your question, repeatedly. What more do you want?
Its ALL in the rules, which we have re-stated several times. As for your current miscommunication with Harry and gus, I've asked them to kindly ignore this thread. For my part, I will reiterate: don't call people "slow" and don't use profanity, those are simple, constant, and universal Dgrin rules.
How many times can I say: LPS is OVER, please respect that.
Then why can't I choose to ignore them? Question still was not answered. Can you please remove all my post and all the quotes of me as well in this thread as I am done with this topic? I give up!
Then why can't I choose to ignore them? Question still was not answered. Can you please remove all my post and all the quotes of me as well in this thread as I am done with this topic? I give up!
it appears you gave the money away to someone you shouldn't.
This statement IS OUT OF LINE and OVER THE TOP. You owe Vandana an apology, and that is what is upsetting our volunteers who tried so very hard to make a 14 month contest that was a massive undertaking and that thankfully, the majority of people loved. It's really a shame, that weeks and weeks after the close, that this has to happen
The rules were understood by everyone (or at least 99.9% of everyone).
If you have an image that is a composite of say four photographs, would all 4 photos have to be taken within the dates to be legal? And if so how would you check the EXIF?
If you have an image that is a composite of say four photographs, would all 4 photos have to be taken within the dates to be legal? And if so how would you check the EXIF?
No, and we covered that, too, a billion times during the course of the LPS. Composites were allowed. The public voted. The winner was chosen. I don't know that this was a composite image - nor do I care - the rules allowed it. You don't like the rules? That's your prerogative. You could have posted about that, a year ago, when it mattered. Still, in the end, we stuck by the rules, loose as they were. Doing this now, sucks bad.
Let's not forget, that the reputation and fine work by a valued member of this community, and a helluva nice person, cancer doc, and more is being impugned. Get over it and move on, please for the love of pete. It is endless go-round like this that is what has caused the volunteers who tried to bring so much to so many, to sour on this whole endeavor.
And now, Rex, you've been banned for 3 days, by me. Reason: deleting text in your posts that you made in this thread, which you've gotten us all wound up over. Kinda makes the thread a waste of time, no?
Enjoy 3 days off from Dgrin and please think about all the time you took up from the volunteers who try to keep this place great.
For those trying to follow along, the quoted replies after the [...] posts will usually contain the messages that have been deleted. Might be a little harder to follow along but hey, this is the time-wasting thread now
Rex, some folks would actually link to the EXIF data for each image contained in a composite to show all photos had been taken during the specified timeframe. This was not required and was done voluntarily by some entrants. There was a lot of trust involved in this contest.
I believe the rules required a majority of the images used in a composite had to be taken within the contest timeframe. There was no exact number/percentage stated, but I'd wager upwards of 90% would be a fair mark. Again, much trust from our mods and fellow competitors was involved. We're adults and people who share a passion for photography. I like to believe the best of folks until proven otherwise, and I think many of us followed this frame of mind.
I hope when/if you return you find your question honestly and clearly answered.
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Again, I'm sorry this got derailed. Had I just received a "Yes" via PM, this wouldn't have gotten to this point at all.
I've already given my congratulations to Vandana for the winning image. It is superb.
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James, to put this as nicely as possible, you've really missed a lot (not your fault, just pointing out you're late to the party), and unfortunately, the questions you are asking are dredging up LOTS of heated topics (what is a photo? is compositing fair? is photoshop fair?)
I would encourage you to take a moment to search through some of our older threads, there is a wealth of "discussion" on all of these topics.
At this point, this is a dead debate. LPS is over, and when/if there is an LPSII, the rules will be different. So lets not get all ruffled again over something that is now well in the past.
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If you have an image that is a composite of say four photographs, would all 4 photos have to be taken within the dates to be legal? And if so how would you check the EXIF?
This stuff is all discussed in another thread.
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And on that note, I'm done - seriously, Andy and I won't be making anymore comments here. The contest is done. Let me remind you, it was Dgrin's contest, Dgrin's rules, and Dgrin's money/prizes to dole out. I think we did well, very well in fact, and I've made it clear IF and when there is an LPSII, there will be a fully new set of rules.
So really, what is the point?
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For what it's worth, I liked the existing rules. I stumbled on LPS around #11 and was able to read for myself through the existing threads and easily determine what the rules were. I had a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to the new LPS. Great job guys!
Im not following you here. Dont tip toe about...say whats on your mind. Im assuming you mean composite photos being used ...correct ?
Thank you. I have said a number of times that photo contests suck because they always end in picayune squabbling over rules, judging, etc. and it looks like I was right.
I didn't vote for Vandana's entry but her image was stunning and well worthy of the prize. Instead of saying congrats and moving on some want to quibble over :bigbs.
Composites were allowed under the rules and whether or not Vandana's entry was a composite or not is not an issue. The Exif shows it was taken within LPS's timeline. End of story.
We are not the FBI we can't investigate every possible perceived "infraction". No one has demonstrated that her image was not taken within LPS's timeline. Yet some persist in casting doubt w/o any credible evidence. All I can suggest is that they stop.
I've have had the privilege of viewing Vandana's images for awhile now and she is an amazingly gifted photgrapher. To see anyone cast doubts on her integrity w/o a piece of credible evidence is insulting and mean-spirited.
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You continue to prove me right. The EXIF data provided met the requirements of LPS. BTW, EXIF data can easily be edited so even that is not foolproof.
You wrote "it appears you gave the money away to someone you shouldn't". That is an attack on Vandana's integrity. You have nothing to sustain that charge other than your own paranoia. If you have any integrity you would apologize.
Fortunately the powers that be have decided not to continue LPS so we won't have to deal with this :bigbs again.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
ahhh! did I miss something.
btw, I only caught the last few rounds of LPS, did not enter a single entry and I completely understand the rules. I thought Vandana was a well deserving winner
No LPS2 ? BIG Bummer
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"it appears you gave the money away to someone you shouldn't".
That is an attack on the integrity of one of our members. You typed it and hit the submit button. I am "attacking" your action impugning the integrity of one of our members and a superb photographer too.
If you wish to standby that statement, back it up. If you can't back it up w/o anything but your own paranoia then retract it.
That's all I have to say on this matter.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
But I draw your attention to the posted rules:
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=54952
This is not to say there was any irregularity - except for the fact that the rules are being challenged - and the winner is being challenged. Forget it, the contest is over, the prize awarded and the guys in the blue suits have validated everything 8 ways to Sunday. Thank you all
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Rex, I answered your question, repeatedly. What more do you want?
Its ALL in the rules, which we have re-stated several times. As for your current miscommunication with Harry and gus, I've asked them to kindly ignore this thread. For my part, I will reiterate: don't call people "slow" and don't use profanity, those are simple, constant, and universal Dgrin rules.
How many times can I say: LPS is OVER, please respect that.
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Then why can't I choose to ignore them? Question still was not answered. Can you please remove all my post and all the quotes of me as well in this thread as I am done with this topic? I give up!
This statement IS OUT OF LINE and OVER THE TOP. You owe Vandana an apology, and that is what is upsetting our volunteers who tried so very hard to make a 14 month contest that was a massive undertaking and that thankfully, the majority of people loved. It's really a shame, that weeks and weeks after the close, that this has to happen
The rules were understood by everyone (or at least 99.9% of everyone).
Notice 2 key points of "The Fine Print"
Does this answer all of your questions?
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The question you pose is moot.
The contest is over, the winner declared, congratulations given, champagne has been popped.
Time to move on.
Basking in the shadows of yesterday's triumphs'.
No, and we covered that, too, a billion times during the course of the LPS. Composites were allowed. The public voted. The winner was chosen. I don't know that this was a composite image - nor do I care - the rules allowed it. You don't like the rules? That's your prerogative. You could have posted about that, a year ago, when it mattered. Still, in the end, we stuck by the rules, loose as they were. Doing this now, sucks bad.
Let's not forget, that the reputation and fine work by a valued member of this community, and a helluva nice person, cancer doc, and more is being impugned. Get over it and move on, please for the love of pete. It is endless go-round like this that is what has caused the volunteers who tried to bring so much to so many, to sour on this whole endeavor.
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Enjoy 3 days off from Dgrin and please think about all the time you took up from the volunteers who try to keep this place great.
For those trying to follow along, the quoted replies after the [...] posts will usually contain the messages that have been deleted. Might be a little harder to follow along but hey, this is the time-wasting thread now
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Rex, some folks would actually link to the EXIF data for each image contained in a composite to show all photos had been taken during the specified timeframe. This was not required and was done voluntarily by some entrants. There was a lot of trust involved in this contest.
I believe the rules required a majority of the images used in a composite had to be taken within the contest timeframe. There was no exact number/percentage stated, but I'd wager upwards of 90% would be a fair mark. Again, much trust from our mods and fellow competitors was involved. We're adults and people who share a passion for photography. I like to believe the best of folks until proven otherwise, and I think many of us followed this frame of mind.
I hope when/if you return you find your question honestly and clearly answered.