It's been discussed heavily here recently.. Safari/Mac honors ICC profiles, IE/Win ignores it and assumes sRGB.
My monitor setup is relatively fresh (bought it this January), so far I did not have any reason to think it's way off. And that print of yours that I did last nite came out pretty close to what I see on the LCD (as close as you can expect on a cheapo HP Deskjet 6800 and a plain paper:-), so I guess it's more-or-less OK..
Yeah, I know, I have been a part of some of it recently:
Baldy, I very much appreciate your effort to educate. The reference
links you've provided throughout the thread are greate. I wish more
people would take a few moments and look at them.
Minoltaman, I'm surprised your computer equipment isn't up to snuff
calibration wise as well as from an OS perspective (I say this as
more modern versions of Windows are generally better at dealing with
color profiles and because you say you are a pro doing edit work, etc.
and I would imagine you'd want your edits to be as close to the final
print as possible.).
Ian
Moderator Journeys/Sports/Big Picture :: Need some help with dgrin?
So what do you think it is? Especially if not many others report those pix as badly washed out?
-don
I'm not a color expert . SM guys have WAY more expertise in that.
I just see it's overblown against the original image. Why - no clue...
Ask me about win32/win16/dos, I'll be much more helpful:-)
As far as using an old operating system I like it because I know exactly what it is going to do. I have accessed files through dos and I like that when needed. My stuff is running stable so I don't like to change. Plus I have thousands and thousands of dollars of software I have purchased that runs on 98. I have tons of freeware and shareware programs that run on 98. All of my systems run on 98 and I don't have to worry about any jacking around when I swap drives etc. I have the same platform on all of my systems. My network and firewall is like I want it so I keep it like that. I understand my system as it is and I think I want to keep it that way.
I have been dealing with color all of my life, as an electronic technician, television business, video camera business, satellite business, and the photography business. I have learned to trust my eyes to some degree as I have feel for color balance, hue, saturation, brightness, black levels, and contrast that some may have a hard time easily understanding. My camera makes excellent color shots so adjustments on color is something I very rarely have to do.
Baldy used ratios to express color correctness where as you're relying on
your eyes to achieve the same result.
There was a time when I would have agreed that your corrected image
looked better but I've learned to look for the subtle problems. Much like
onethumb's observation of the color of the trees in the background of
that guy's picture you corrected.
I have some experience in video editing and ENG as well. You may have
seen my work on a major sports network. I have also produced several
PSA like pieces for various employers.
Again, which of my own photos that I have posted here do you have a color problem with anyway? Now I am just a small time hack here but if you are in the Youngstown, Ohio you can stop by the Butler Museum of Art-Beecher Center and check my work on one of the video screens there. If you are in college you may cross a picture of mine in a textbook. I did get 6 million page views at one of my galleries last year, so a few people must think I do ok. Please point out some some specific problems you see with the color on my work and show me what you would do differently please.
Again, I never said anything about your photos. I wrote about
your process.
If I do make to Ohio this summer, I'd be happy to swing by the museum
and see your stuff.
And to conclude, I have no clue why you are attacking my operating system, but oh well. Now if you want to send me about 15 grand to upgrade my hardware and software to something newer, reinstall it all and debug it for me, come right on over, I won't stop you. But I certainly don't want to do a piecemeal upgrade. And yes, I do want my edits to look like my prints. That's why I am the colorfreak that I am. It's what this thread has been all about. Geesh
I asked the question about calibration and OS because of
your stated commitment to color and your comments to Baldy about
monitor calibration after your adjustments to that guy's picture.
You addressed the OS question with a valid reason why you're not willing
to change and I accept that. You've explained the calibration question
and I can accept that too. I may not agree with your position but I did
not attack you.
I think my questions were valid given the importance of color, color
profiles and printing. Don't you agree?
Ian
Moderator Journeys/Sports/Big Picture :: Need some help with dgrin?
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http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=9657
So what do you think it is? Especially if not many others report those pix as badly washed out?
-don
Baldy, I very much appreciate your effort to educate. The reference
links you've provided throughout the thread are greate. I wish more
people would take a few moments and look at them.
Minoltaman, I'm surprised your computer equipment isn't up to snuff
calibration wise as well as from an OS perspective (I say this as
more modern versions of Windows are generally better at dealing with
color profiles and because you say you are a pro doing edit work, etc.
and I would imagine you'd want your edits to be as close to the final
print as possible.).
Ian
I'm not a color expert
I just see it's overblown against the original image. Why - no clue...
Ask me about win32/win16/dos, I'll be much more helpful:-)
Easily understandable.
Baldy used ratios to express color correctness where as you're relying on
your eyes to achieve the same result.
There was a time when I would have agreed that your corrected image
looked better but I've learned to look for the subtle problems. Much like
onethumb's observation of the color of the trees in the background of
that guy's picture you corrected.
I have some experience in video editing and ENG as well. You may have
seen my work on a major sports network. I have also produced several
PSA like pieces for various employers.
Again, I never said anything about your photos. I wrote about
your process.
If I do make to Ohio this summer, I'd be happy to swing by the museum
and see your stuff.
I asked the question about calibration and OS because of
your stated commitment to color and your comments to Baldy about
monitor calibration after your adjustments to that guy's picture.
You addressed the OS question with a valid reason why you're not willing
to change and I accept that. You've explained the calibration question
and I can accept that too. I may not agree with your position but I did
not attack you.
I think my questions were valid given the importance of color, color
profiles and printing. Don't you agree?
Ian