My instinct in whiterice's linked example would be to crop the black around the outside out because it does look so framey but keep the overlapping inside that identifies it as a composite, if that makes sense. Part of the issue is by having images like that in the gallery now, versus on DGrin like Shatch's entry, is a white border it automatically added to the outside of images, enhancing the frame effect. ...Did that make any sense?
My instinct in whiterice's linked example would be to crop the black around the outside out because it does look so framey but keep the overlapping inside that identifies it as a composite, if that makes sense. Part of the issue is by having images like that in the gallery now, versus on DGrin like Shatch's entry, is a white border it automatically added to the outside of images, enhancing the frame effect. ...Did that make any sense?
So then if one wanted to use panography, you are saying that the individual images around the border would need to be cropped to avoid the use of any background? If that's what you're requiring, then this wouldn't be true panography.
So then if one wanted to use panography, you are saying that the individual images around the border would need to be cropped to avoid the use of any background? If that's what you're requiring, then this wouldn't be true panography.
What about a transparent background then?
Well, I think......dont try to re-interpret.
My understanding is she would prefer it to be cropped to a rectangle or square within the merge so that the image goes to the edge of the crop. Leaving the inconsistancies to "show" that its a composite is up to the artist.
My instinct in whiterice's linked example would be to crop the black around the outside out because it does look so framey but keep the overlapping inside that identifies it as a composite, if that makes sense. Part of the issue is by having images like that in the gallery now, versus on DGrin like Shatch's entry, is a white border it automatically added to the outside of images, enhancing the frame effect. ...Did that make any sense?
Okay...fair enough......and now that Im reminded about how it would appear in a gallery vs. in dgrin I cant help but agree.
So then if one wanted to use panography, you are saying that the individual images around the border would need to be cropped to avoid the use of any background? If that's what you're requiring, then this wouldn't be true panography.
What about a transparent background then?
Good thing this is a photography challenge and not a panography one, then.
Same issue happens once it's uploaded to the gallery: white border is added to the image, so even with a transparent background, it suddenly looks like there's a black frame.
Okay...fair enough......and now that Im reminded about how it would appear in a gallery vs. in dgrin I cant help but agree.
Yeah, gallery vs. dgrin, there are trade-offs both ways. Looks like this is one of them. Cool technique, though. If you pursue it for the challenge, I'd love to see a version posted elsewhere on DGrin showing it as you originally imagined.
My understanding is she would prefer it to be cropped to a rectangle or square within the merge so that the image goes to the edge of the crop. Leaving the inconsistancies to "show" that its a composite is up to the artist.
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Very, very respectfully:
Honestly, I am not trying to be a rabble rouser - I promise. I'm just trying to get an understanding of the frame rule. Why is this rule in place? What is it attempting to accomplish? Is this an attempt to save other dgrinners from "rouge" photography?
I guess I'm not fully understanding why someone can create an image almost fully in post (which I'm ok with, BTW) but my image from last round which was generated by my camera is not ok.
Thankfully we all have different tastes/styles/preferences because otherwise photography would be very boring. Dgrin should be a welcoming, encouraging environment for artistic photography endeavors.
I like rules - but the benefits of those rules need to outweigh the disadvantages.
Thankfully we all have different tastes/styles/preferences because otherwise photography would be very boring. Dgrin should be a welcoming, encouraging environment for artistic photography endeavors.
I like rules - but the benefits of those rules need to outweigh the disadvantages.
Also very respectfully, DGrin is that type of environment, and we all work very hard to keep it so. The Challenges is just one area of DGrin and has some extra rules, that's all.
The frames issue was long discussed before I joined the original LPS challenges, but the original discussion on why frames are not allowed is still linked in the official rules. For a couple less clicks, here's the link again.
I love the creativity here and everyone who inspires it. Please do keep pushing the boundaries and introducing us to new things. We learn so much from it. And I learn that not every technique is going to work well within the challenges' unique setting, but there are several other forums out there that would also benefit from all y'all's creativity and are not limited by contest rules.
Also very respectfully, DGrin is that type of environment, and we all work very hard to keep it so. The Challenges is just one area of DGrin and has some extra rules, that's all.
I agree, DGrin is that type of environment.
Thanks for taking the time to comment. More importantly though, thanks for listening. Sometimes just the act of expressing frustration is resolution enough.
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I've got an incredibly rich palette to work from. Now if I only spoke Mandarin to talk myself into someone's work area...
But, I started laying the ground work last weekend by walking a street close to where I live and gave a few prints to shops I've taken photo's of before and spending time with people just sitting and sharing a laugh at our inability to talk. I'm hoping to parley that into a 20-30 minute stint in a street shop with an owner.
I've got an incredibly rich palette to work from. Now if I only spoke Mandarin to talk myself into someone's work area...
But, I started laying the ground work last weekend by walking a street close to where I live and gave a few prints to shops I've taken photo's of before and spending time with people just sitting and sharing a laugh at our inability to talk. I'm hoping to parley that into a 20-30 minute stint in a street shop with an owner.
I might get a shot or two.
Oh, I envy you those surroundings! You should be able to come up with some awesome candidates for this challenge.
i will likely do what i want anyway...(no surprise).
the problem is the subjectiveness...if the judges response is parallel to yours then i know my attempt will be a waste of time, but fun eitherway...
btw, I'm referring to a symbolistic type portrait, where a reconizable face will not be included....
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So then if one wanted to use panography, you are saying that the individual images around the border would need to be cropped to avoid the use of any background? If that's what you're requiring, then this wouldn't be true panography.
What about a transparent background then?
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Well, I think......dont try to re-interpret.
My understanding is she would prefer it to be cropped to a rectangle or square within the merge so that the image goes to the edge of the crop. Leaving the inconsistancies to "show" that its a composite is up to the artist.
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Okay...fair enough......and now that Im reminded about how it would appear in a gallery vs. in dgrin I cant help but agree.
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Good thing this is a photography challenge and not a panography one, then.
Same issue happens once it's uploaded to the gallery: white border is added to the image, so even with a transparent background, it suddenly looks like there's a black frame.
Yeah, gallery vs. dgrin, there are trade-offs both ways. Looks like this is one of them. Cool technique, though. If you pursue it for the challenge, I'd love to see a version posted elsewhere on DGrin showing it as you originally imagined.
:soapbox
Very, very respectfully:
Honestly, I am not trying to be a rabble rouser - I promise.
I guess I'm not fully understanding why someone can create an image almost fully in post (which I'm ok with, BTW) but my image from last round which was generated by my camera is not ok.
Thankfully we all have different tastes/styles/preferences because otherwise photography would be very boring. Dgrin should be a welcoming, encouraging environment for artistic photography endeavors.
I like rules - but the benefits of those rules need to outweigh the disadvantages.
I feel better now!
/soapbox
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The frames issue was long discussed before I joined the original LPS challenges, but the original discussion on why frames are not allowed is still linked in the official rules. For a couple less clicks, here's the link again.
I love the creativity here and everyone who inspires it. Please do keep pushing the boundaries and introducing us to new things. We learn so much from it. And I learn that not every technique is going to work well within the challenges' unique setting, but there are several other forums out there that would also benefit from all y'all's creativity and are not limited by contest rules.
I agree, DGrin is that type of environment.
Thanks for taking the time to comment. More importantly though, thanks for listening. Sometimes just the act of expressing frustration is resolution enough.
Hey - what are ya'll looking at - the show's over!!
Now, back to #30.
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I've got an incredibly rich palette to work from. Now if I only spoke Mandarin to talk myself into someone's work area...
But, I started laying the ground work last weekend by walking a street close to where I live and gave a few prints to shops I've taken photo's of before and spending time with people just sitting and sharing a laugh at our inability to talk. I'm hoping to parley that into a 20-30 minute stint in a street shop with an owner.
I might get a shot or two.
Oh, I envy you those surroundings! You should be able to come up with some awesome candidates for this challenge.
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umm... does the portrait have to show someones face?
Um, at least part of it, I'd say, else I'm not really certain how it'd be a portrait.
the problem is the subjectiveness...if the judges response is parallel to yours then i know my attempt will be a waste of time, but fun eitherway...
btw, I'm referring to a symbolistic type portrait, where a reconizable face will not be included....
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Since it's looking like I'll need to fill in as guest judge again, well, at least it'll be fun. And fascinating to see what the heck you're thinking.
whoa there big dog... to much info...lol:D
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symbolical portrait.. hmm. this is gonna be interesting for sure...
I want tickets..:D
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