Reality Check Please....

dragon300zx · July 18, 2006

Ok I have been sitting on this trying not to rant about it. But this is by far the forum where I think I would get the best reality check from so I will post this little Poll/Question here.

Here are two sentences. Please explain what both of them mean to you.

Reset hours each new year...

and I guess the second one isn't so much of a sentence but more of a question after hearing someone use this word incorrectly and then deffend their usage against the dictionairy.

What does "original" mean?

marlinspike · July 18, 2006

dragon300zx wrote:

Here are two sentences. Please explain what both of them mean to you.

Reset hours each new year...

and I guess the second one isn't so much of a sentence but more of a question after hearing someone use this word incorrectly and then deffend their usage against the dictionairy.

What does "original" mean?

The first one means that every new year the clock needs to be reset at new year (perhaps some 365 day clock? I think it's a translation from Japanese by the Zero Wing people

)
original is either a source from which something arises, or some firsthand work, or a person who is inventive I would say.

wxwax · July 18, 2006

I'm hearing two rants in two weeks about small stuff.

What was I supposed to hear?

dragon300zx · July 18, 2006

wxwax wrote:

I'm hearing two rants in two weeks about small stuff.

What was I supposed to hear?

funny :P. Just trying to figure out if I am actually expecting too much of people for them to have a basic elementary grasp of their native language. I mean common for a person with a master's degree to well at me for 15 minutes cause she doesn't understand why something works, and the reason it doesn't work is because she doesn't understand what the word reset means, is a bit nutty isn't it. Or have american standards really fallen so much that it's ok to not understand the basics of ones own native language. I mean it's not like I expect people to know how to spell the words, but they could at least have an idea of what they mean.

Andy · July 18, 2006

dragon300zx wrote:

I am actually expecting too much of people for them to have a basic elementary grasp of their native language.

Does this include spelling?

dragon300zx · July 18, 2006

dragon300zx wrote:

I mean it's not like I expect people to know how to spell the words, but they could at least have an idea of what they mean.

Andy did you not read the complete statement? :P Unless it's in a published peice of work IE Quote, Report, Book, News Article, etc as long as I know the word they are going for I'm ok.

Angelo · July 18, 2006

I don't know what's being asked here.

Firstly: "Reset hours each new year..." appears to be a sentence fragment and depending on the context and the subject to which it applies could vary the meaning.

Secondly: anyone who would defend (one "f" please) their incorrect definition or usage of a word against that which is published in a dictionary is too ignorant to argue with.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/original

dragon300zx · July 18, 2006

Angelo wrote:

I don't know what's being asked here.

Mainly trying to find out if my expectations of people in the business world are really too high. I mean I am a very flexible guy. Spelling doesn't really bother me lord knows I don't always spell things properly, appearance doesn't really bug me as long as people are clean and don't smell, I don't expect people to keep their desk's ultra clean, I don't even expect people not to get upset from time to time. Hell I don't even expect them to load toner on their own in the printers. But a basic knowledge of common terms I mean is that too much to ask.

Reset = to begin again, to set again or anew

The statement in question is a filter option in a database. Basically do you want the field to reset at the start of a new year. Which I and most people here have understood as to mean start again at the original setting.

This "educated" person who setup the feature it was controlling argued with me that reset ment that it would add the new total to the old total not make everything start over. I got yelled at for 15 minutes until I threw up M-W.com and pointed out her ineptitude.

And the "original" thing wasn't a fight with me just something I saw happen yesterday that kinda blew my mind.

I mean has it come to the state where it is ok for people in america to be this clueless. Forget violence on TV at this point I'm more worried about stupid people being on TV and kids thinking it's ok to be like that.

Shay Stephens · July 18, 2006

Life is too short my man!
You need a good hobby to occupy your mind enough to keep you from obsessing about trivial stuff like this.

May I suggest photography

No wait, that doesn't seem to be working...

Harryb · July 18, 2006

dragon300zx wrote:

Forget violence on TV at this point I'm more worried about stupid people being on TV and kids thinking it's ok to be like that.

Er, I really hate to break this to ya but stupid people have been on TV since it started. In fact there has never been a medium so overrun by stupidity in the history of human kind. Its way too late to worry about it. Just break open a bag of Cheetos, guzzle down a Coke and enjoy the latest episodes of Big Brother, Survivor, & Miami Ink.

DavidTO · July 18, 2006

Harryb wrote:

Er, I really hate to break this to ya but stupid people have been on TV since it started. In fact there has never been a medium so overrun by stupidity in the history of human kind. Its way too late to worry about it. Just break open a bag of Cheetos, guzzle down a Coke and enjoy the latest episodes of Big Brother, Survivor, & Miami Ink.

It is, after all, a vast cultural wasteland.

gus · July 18, 2006

Harryb wrote:

Just break open a bag of Cheetos, guzzle down a Coke and enjoy the latest episodes of Big Brother, Survivor, & Miami Ink.

They really suck harry...dont you still get M.A.S.H on cable ?

dragon300zx · July 18, 2006

Shay Stephens wrote:

You need a good hobby to occupy your mind enough

More like I just need to start putting in more time on projects outside of work and get to the point where I am working for myself again and can afford to pay someone to deal with stupid people for me.

gus · July 18, 2006

dragon300zx wrote:

More like I just need to start putting in more time on projects outside of work and get to the point where I am working for myself again and can afford to pay someone to deal with stupid people for me.

I often do what you are complaining about to younger people that think they are important. They honestly dont know that im providing myself free entertainment all day long. Just remember...you may be the subject of someones bordem & fun.

dragon300zx · July 18, 2006

gus wrote:

younger people that think they are important.

Hence why at work I sit in my office and hide. As much as I can I avoid contact with people at work and try to appear as meak as possible to stay out of the light so to speak. Besides this person is one of the more mild people who I never have issues with till today and I went through the entired database to check the filter settings she was applying on every employee to verify what the problem was before I explained the answer to her. Which started off as a simple "well lets just uncheck this and see if that clears it up" and ended in a "this is what the dictionary says and this is what the help file says" moments.

Bodley · July 18, 2006

dragon300zx wrote:

I mean common for a person with a master's degree to well at me for 15 minutes ....

Could someone explain this sentence to me? Well, Well, Well Well?

or

Maybe you could wail at her and put her in a well.

(Couldn't decide on which SA reply to use)

Harryb · July 18, 2006

gus wrote:

They really suck harry...dont you still get M.A.S.H on cable ?

That's the problem Gus I have hundreds of channels on my cable subscription. Right now I watch MASH and Seinfeld reruns, new episodes of Deadwood and CNN. I mean with all those damn channels they could squeeze in some decent drama and music somewhere. I have around 57 movie channels. Do they all have to show dreck 24 hours a day? I mean how many times can you show "Porky's Revenge" in one year?

Sam · July 18, 2006

Mainly trying to find out if my expectations of people in the business world are really too high. Yes I mean I am a very flexible guy. Not based on what I’m reading. Spelling doesn't really bother me It bothers the heck outa me!, but that’s because I cain’t speel. lord knows I don't always spell things properly, appearance doesn't really bug me as long as people are clean and don't smell, See, I thought you said you were flexible? In many cultures it’s not considered proper or necessary to bath EVERY day. I don't expect people to keep their desk's ultra clean, you shouldn’t, it’s their desk not yours. I don't even expect people not to get upset from time to time. Nice of you. Hell I don't even expect them to load toner on their own in the printers. Is it in their job descriptions? But a basic knowledge of common terms I mean is that too much to ask. Yes!

Reset = to begin again, to set again or anew

The statement in question is a filter option in a database. Basically do you want the field to reset at the start of a new year. Which I and most people here have understood as to mean start again at the original setting. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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The question, and answer are contextual. I don’t know very much about data bases, so does it mean to reset the field to some original factory setting? Does it start new (date, time) at the beginning of each year? When does the year start? Jan 1<SUP>st</SUP>, new fiscal year. I always start a new year on my birthday.

This "educated" person who setup the feature it was controlling argued with me that reset meant that it would add the new total to the old total not make everything start over. I got yelled at for 15 minutes until I threw up M-W.com and pointed out her ineptitude. <o:p></o:p>
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The educated can only allow so much from the hired help.

And the "original" thing wasn't a fight with me just something I saw happen yesterday that kinda blew my mind.

I mean has it come to the state where it is ok for people in america PLEASE!!! America! Capital A! to be this clueless. Over half are. Forget violence on TV at this point I'm more worried about stupid people being on TV and kids thinking it's ok to be like that. I’m more worried about the stupid having children. <o:p></o:p>
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Take a deep breath, take the damn earring out, sit back and down some single malt Scotch<o:p></o:p>

Sam <o:p></o:p>

bwg · July 19, 2006

Sometimes spelling makes a difference:

dragon300zx wrote:

As much as I can I avoid contact with people at work and try to appear as meak as possible to stay out of the light so to speak.

meak
\Meak\, n. [Cf. AS. m[=e]ce sword, OS. m[=a]ki, Icel. m[ae]kir.] A hook with a long handle. [Obs.] --Tusser.

meek (m

k)
adj. meek·er, meek·est

Showing patience and humility; gentle.
Easily imposed on; submissive.

So you sit in your office trying to be a hook with a long handle?

And why would objects in mirror appear to be loosing? Are they not tied on tight enough?

ian408 · July 20, 2006

Your first sentence is a question and awkwardly worded at that.
When you clarified it by saying "do you want the field to reset at the
start of a new year?", I was with you all the way.

Not everyone has the same working knowledge of the tool as you may
and what is obvious to you may not be clear and concise to someone
else.

The people you are refering to as "clueless" probably wonder where you
went to school too. Especially when it comes to the tact or lack of it in
dealing with them.

dragon300zx · July 20, 2006

ian408 wrote:

Especially when it comes to the tact or lack of it in
dealing with them.

Ah but see I always bite the bullet, smile, and answer all of their questions with respect to start off with. Granted some of that may go away when they argue with me over the answer I gave them (I mean if they already knew the answer why did they ask?), but unless provoked I always start off relatively nice.

As far as the phrasing of the first question that is exactly how it is in the software. And they knew what they wanted the tool to do. The basic issue was them yelling at me and arguing with me about what the word reset means.

Never, ever, ever have I seen reset used in a way that ment anything other than to begin again. Never have I seen it mean to just keep the data that is there and add to it.

So if you know you want to simply add new numbers to the numbers already there why would you tell the software to reset before putting in the new numbers.

Keep in mind that I'm not stupid enough to tell my co-workers to their face that I think they should retake high school and middle school.

Does anyone actually have a sample of where reset doesn't mean to start fresh, begin again, start anew?

ian408 · July 20, 2006

The crux is what are you resetting to? Is it "when I started the program" or
"0" or "remove my last entry" or ... ?

Regarding my comment, it seems as though (recently) your conversations
end in "yelling" (your word) at your customers (or whipping out a dictionary
just to prove a point). Kind of adversarial in a customer support role don't
you think?

dragon300zx · July 20, 2006

ian408 wrote:

The crux is what are you resetting to? Is it "when I started the program" or
"0" or "remove my last entry" or ... ?

Regarding my comment, it seems as though (recently) your conversations
end in "yelling" (your word) at your customers (or whipping out a dictionary
just to prove a point). Kind of adversarial in a customer support role don't
you think?

Ahh but as you stated reset never means add. All of the conditions you listend reffer to going backwards in time, not adding to what is already there.

Not customers.... Co-workers, and I wasn't the one yelling if you read the statement I was the one getting yelled at. And yes if someone wants to start a fight with me over the meaning of a word I will whip out a M-W.com to prove my point and end the fight. I'm not about to stand there and take a whipping over someone else's error. Granted I have been a bit edgy lately but I don't just blow up at people for the fun of it.

wxwax · July 20, 2006

dragon300zx wrote:

Keep in mind that I'm not stupid enough to tell my co-workers to their face that I think they should retake high school and middle school.

If you're thinking it, you're prolly showing it. A few people are good enough to hide these sorts of thoughts - they're the really dangerous ones. The rest of us either show it... or shove such thoughts aside (recommended.)

Andy · July 20, 2006

I nuked two posts, please watch your language (even virtual cursing) thank you.

gus · July 20, 2006

Nikolai wrote:

HTH

Nick you left out the one single line you gave me over & over & over to each request i made re my problems with starexplorer no matter how much i tried to get a diff answer from you all you would reply was...

"are you sure its not a finger problem"

Hence ..why i now use & love 'send to smugmug'

Nikolai · July 20, 2006

Gus,

gus wrote:

Nick you left out the one single line you gave me over & over & over to each request i made re my problems with starexplorer no matter how much i tried to get a diff answer from you all you would reply was...

"are you sure its not a finger problem"

Hence ..why i now use & love 'send to smugmug'

I honestly don't remember what the problem was, except that it was a very long time and 50 or so version updates ago. I don't have any traces of it in my email and could not find references to it here at dgrin (all I found was this :-).
I highly doubt, however, that I mentioned any "fingers" in my support replies,

so I guess you're speaking figuratively.

As to the "Send To Smugmug" - it's a very nice tool, and if it covers your needs - that's great!

DavidTO · July 20, 2006

Dragon,

Here's my reality check for you:

You need to learn the value of humility.

Every person is your master in some regard, so you have no option but to be humble.

gus · July 21, 2006

Nikolai wrote:

I honestly don't remember what the problem was, except that it was a very long time and 50 or so version updates ago. I don't have any traces of it in my email and could not find references to it here at dgrin (all I found was this :-).
I highly doubt, however, that I mentioned any "fingers" in my support replies, so I guess you're speaking figuratively.

As to the "Send To Smugmug" - it's a very nice tool, and if it covers your needs - that's great!

No...you used that 'exact' term over & over several times each time i came back to you. I have since cleared my PM's. Its good that i can explain it to both your programmers dept & marketing dept all at once.

I actually did find your programme fantastic as i mentioned ...until... i needed some help. Nothing personal mate but lets not get too carried away with how programmers interact with clients. I could well do the same to them when it comes to moving a fridge...a very very basic function for me but im sure not for others & thus i dont post a list of replys that ridicule those that cant do a very easy task for me.

Hope you understand where im coming from here.

Nikolai · July 21, 2006

Hey Gus

gus wrote:

Hope you understand where im coming from here.

Nothing in my email or PMs either..

Anyway, whatever happened - happened, and hardly anything can be done to fix the past. I'm truly sorry you feel that way.

Andy · July 21, 2006

Gus and Nik - take it offline if you need to continue please, thanks

Reality Check Please....

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