Will my family be able to search by keyword for private galleries, too?
If not, what's the best way to keep galleries private and still allow my family to search across multiple galleries to find the shot they want?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and we really do like to please our customers, but I'm afraid this just isn't going to happen.
I never say never, but this raises just too many privacy and security issues, not to mention engineering problems, that I really doubt it'll ever happen.
Just as browsing through your galleries when they're private doesn't work for non-logged in people, keywords won't either.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and we really do like to please our customers, but I'm afraid this just isn't going to happen.
I never say never, but this raises just too many privacy and security issues, not to mention engineering problems, that I really doubt it'll ever happen.
Just as browsing through your galleries when they're private doesn't work for non-logged in people, keywords won't either.
I'm sorry.
Don
I should follow this up by saying that we're continually working on search, and in fact I have a fairly big change planned (which is a big change for me, but customers probably won't notice the difference).
It's remotely possible that I could make *searching* work for private galleries somehow, but not keyword browsing.
If I were to do so, how would you suggest that I "discover" who to let see your private searches and who not to? That's probably the biggest issue right off the bat.
Obviously, you don't want Joe Schmoe finding your private galleries, or you wouldn't have marked them private. But also obviously, you don't want everyone to have to buy a smugmug login to search through your private galleries. (That wouldn't be tough, if they had logins). But how do I identify your "allowed" people without allowing the whole world in?
But how do I identify your "allowed" people without allowing the whole world in?
Don
.. but didn't you already introduce "family & friends" concept? In C++ "friends" are privy to the most private parts:-). So when it comes to identification, I think you can rely on proximity settings the user set himself..
Although, I must say, IRL private should be private. If I want to share something I'll let the person know. Private should mean for "my eyes only"..
Or, should I say: introduce "protected" - and then let "family and firends" get ahold of it:-)
Just my $.02, nothing else:-)
PS
With all that new stuff, is there any chance the apostophe issue (createAlbum, Description, ', screate error) can get addressed any time soon?
Thanks!
PPS
"24" rulez!
4th season started - and it's GOOOOOOOOOD!
.. but didn't you already introduce "family & friends" concept? In C++ "friends" are privy to the most private parts:-). So when it comes to identification, I think you can rely on proximity settings the user set himself..
But "friends & family" is other smugmug users. I think it's pretty rare for someone's entire scope of family and friends to be using smugmug. I assume that's not what's being asked for here, that there's a need for people to search within private galleries without having a smugmug login.
Google and key words
Just as a matter of interest.. I've been paying more attention to key words in my photographs on Smugmug and also in the body of the text in my cobranding (I put some words in "comments" which don't show but search engines may pick up) ... just for laughs I typed in "photographs of forest and ponds" in google and I came up number one.. also with my name also came up with different searched in MSN.. I was impressed... (not that it makes a difference, my son's the only one who is forced to buy anything)
But "friends & family" is other smugmug users. I think it's pretty rare for someone's entire scope of family and friends to be using smugmug. I assume that's not what's being asked for here, that there's a need for people to search within private galleries without having a smugmug login.
Or am I wrong?
Don
I personally can't imagine the situation when an owner made something private and at the same time would like to make it searchable for the entire internet.
Yet again, I don't have a burning need for this type of changes, current situation suits me well enough, and I'd rather see all the other features completed first - including API updates and fixes:D
Keywords questions
What is the relation between gallery keywords, image keywords and search engines?
Do gallery keywords work in a manner as if they were typed in for each image?
Are gallery and image keywords only searchable by SM itself, or do they make sense for the external crawlers, too?
But "friends & family" is other smugmug users. I think it's pretty rare for someone's entire scope of family and friends to be using smugmug. I assume that's not what's being asked for here, that there's a need for people to search within private galleries without having a smugmug login.
Or am I wrong?
Don
Not sure the best way to solve it, but maybe you could make a free registration available for this purpose?
I make the passwords on the galleries that I've bothered to make private all the same, as well. Maybe a search private galleries feature, where they have to enter the password that I've given them.
I really just want to be able to share my photos with my family and not the world. That's what it comes down to.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and we really do like to please our customers, but I'm afraid this just isn't going to happen.
I never say never, but this raises just too many privacy and security issues, not to mention engineering problems, that I really doubt it'll ever happen.
Just as browsing through your galleries when they're private doesn't work for non-logged in people, keywords won't either.
I'm sorry.
Don
So I decided to try sharegroups, but that doesn't protect my photos from prying eyes, I did a search on my daughter's name and her picture, which is only in sharegroups, came up. I thought that sharegroups only allowed "cookied" computers to access the contents of the gallery.
Private galleries don't work, because there's no way for my family to search across galleries.
But there must be someway to get this to work so that I can share my photos openly and easily with family, but not with the greater world.
Help!
EDIT: Must be that I don't understand sharegroups, because I've checked on several computers to make sure that cookies weren't an issue, and all of my sharegrouped galleries show up on my homepage. Huh?
EDIT again: Boy, I'm a pain in the butt, huh? I got password protected and private confuse. I think I'm gonna figure this out yet!
OK, so I'm getting there. Got some keywords in some private galleries, a sharegroup setup, it's working fine, except for one thing:
When my family goes to my sharegroup, and then searches for my daughter's name, the search goes out to all of smugmug. Wouldn't it make sense to limit the search to whithin the sharegroup when they're in that sharegroup? Why would they be in the sharegroup in the first place if they wanted to search the entire site? If this can get fixed, or if there is a setting that can fix it, then I'll be all set.
OK, so I'm getting there. Got some keywords in some private galleries, a sharegroup setup, it's working fine, except for one thing:
When my family goes to my sharegroup, and then searches for my daughter's name, the search goes out to all of smugmug. Wouldn't it make sense to limit the search to whithin the sharegroup when they're in that sharegroup? Why would they be in the sharegroup in the first place if they wanted to search the entire site? If this can get fixed, or if there is a setting that can fix it, then I'll be all set.
Sorry, David, but I'm afraid if a gallery is marked 'Private' or has a password assigned, searching just won't work.
I'm glad sharegroups is working for you, and I'll give some thought to if there's a possibility to allow searching within a sharegroup (it sounds possible, but no promises). But today, you cannot do it.
Wish I had better news, but we're pretty paranoid about privacy and security around here, and anything like searching within secure or private galleries is not something we take lightly.
I should note, we've had IPTC support for years. Almost since our inception. We've been populating keywords the entire time, and feeding our search. Browsing them, and editing them, though, is new.
'Caption' and 'Keywords' are IPTC fields we check on every upload.
Don
Are those the only IPTC fields you check? I use iView Media Pro, and the fields I use are non-standard, iView specific. I could easily change this, but never really had reason to before. I'd just like to know the full extent of your IPTC support.
Also, on the topic of searching private galleries from within a sharegroup, couldnt' this be handled in part by adding a search field to the sharegroup view that is separate from the main search field? One that is limited to the sharegroup? Probably, huh? You're gonna tell me manhours/priority again, I bet. Ah, well. I understand.
Also, on the topic of searching private galleries from within a sharegroup, couldnt' this be handled in part by adding a search field to the sharegroup view that is separate from the main search field? One that is limited to the sharegroup? Probably, huh? You're gonna tell me manhours/priority again, I bet. Ah, well. I understand.
Wish I had better news, but we're pretty paranoid about privacy and security around here, and anything like searching within secure or private galleries is not something we take lightly.
Don
Don -
It looks for me that you are trying "to invent a bike" (Nikolai, is it correct?) - but bike is already invented. It is a role management.
I would like to create roles like "owner", "family", "friend", "coworker" and so on, assign a pasword for each role and then set which role can see which galery.
So, when a person enter "coworker" password he can see only galeries which is visiblw for coworkers, search and keywords works only for that galeries and so on...
Don -
It looks for me that you are trying "to invent a bike" (Nikolai, is it correct?) - but bike is already invented. It is a role management.
I would like to create roles like "owner", "family", "friend", "coworker" and so on, assign a pasword for each role and then set which role can see which galery.
So, when a person enter "coworker" password he can see only galeries which is visiblw for coworkers, search and keywords works only for that galeries and so on...
Hi Monk,
Thanks for the feedback, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm afraid this just won't work. It violates our Prime Directive which is to be Easy.
Adding role-level complexity will just confuse most of our customers and doesn't buy us enough good stuff to override our constant struggle to keep the site easy to use.
..."to invent a bike" (Nikolai, is it correct?) ...
Hi Monk,
If you're looking for word-by-word translation from Russian, then you're 100% correct:-).
However, it is a Russian idiom and as such it's gotta be translated as a proper English idiom, which happens to be "to reinvent the wheel":-)
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and we really do like to please our customers, but I'm afraid this just isn't going to happen.
I never say never, but this raises just too many privacy and security issues, not to mention engineering problems, that I really doubt it'll ever happen.
Just as browsing through your galleries when they're private doesn't work for non-logged in people, keywords won't either.
I'm sorry.
Don
I should follow this up by saying that we're continually working on search, and in fact I have a fairly big change planned (which is a big change for me, but customers probably won't notice the difference).
It's remotely possible that I could make *searching* work for private galleries somehow, but not keyword browsing.
If I were to do so, how would you suggest that I "discover" who to let see your private searches and who not to? That's probably the biggest issue right off the bat.
Obviously, you don't want Joe Schmoe finding your private galleries, or you wouldn't have marked them private. But also obviously, you don't want everyone to have to buy a smugmug login to search through your private galleries. (That wouldn't be tough, if they had logins). But how do I identify your "allowed" people without allowing the whole world in?
Don
.. but didn't you already introduce "family & friends" concept? In C++ "friends" are privy to the most private parts:-). So when it comes to identification, I think you can rely on proximity settings the user set himself..
Although, I must say, IRL private should be private. If I want to share something I'll let the person know. Private should mean for "my eyes only"..
Or, should I say: introduce "protected" - and then let "family and firends" get ahold of it:-)
Just my $.02, nothing else:-)
PS
With all that new stuff, is there any chance the apostophe issue (createAlbum, Description, ', screate error) can get addressed any time soon?
Thanks!
PPS
"24" rulez!
4th season started - and it's GOOOOOOOOOD!
But "friends & family" is other smugmug users. I think it's pretty rare for someone's entire scope of family and friends to be using smugmug. I assume that's not what's being asked for here, that there's a need for people to search within private galleries without having a smugmug login.
Or am I wrong?
Don
Just as a matter of interest.. I've been paying more attention to key words in my photographs on Smugmug and also in the body of the text in my cobranding (I put some words in "comments" which don't show but search engines may pick up) ... just for laughs I typed in "photographs of forest and ponds" in google and I came up number one.. also with my name also came up with different searched in MSN.. I was impressed... (not that it makes a difference, my son's the only one who is forced to buy anything)
I personally can't imagine the situation when an owner made something private and at the same time would like to make it searchable for the entire internet.
Yet again, I don't have a burning need for this type of changes, current situation suits me well enough, and I'd rather see all the other features completed first - including API updates and fixes:D
Cheers!
What is the relation between gallery keywords, image keywords and search engines?
Do gallery keywords work in a manner as if they were typed in for each image?
Are gallery and image keywords only searchable by SM itself, or do they make sense for the external crawlers, too?
Thank you!
Not sure the best way to solve it, but maybe you could make a free registration available for this purpose?
I make the passwords on the galleries that I've bothered to make private all the same, as well. Maybe a search private galleries feature, where they have to enter the password that I've given them.
I really just want to be able to share my photos with my family and not the world. That's what it comes down to.
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Isn't it what "sharegroups" were designed for? I never used them myself, but it looks like they were designed for this purpose.. Did you try them?
Cheers!
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So I decided to try sharegroups, but that doesn't protect my photos from prying eyes, I did a search on my daughter's name and her picture, which is only in sharegroups, came up. I thought that sharegroups only allowed "cookied" computers to access the contents of the gallery.
Private galleries don't work, because there's no way for my family to search across galleries.
But there must be someway to get this to work so that I can share my photos openly and easily with family, but not with the greater world.
Help!
EDIT: Must be that I don't understand sharegroups, because I've checked on several computers to make sure that cookies weren't an issue, and all of my sharegrouped galleries show up on my homepage. Huh?
EDIT again: Boy, I'm a pain in the butt, huh? I got password protected and private confuse. I think I'm gonna figure this out yet!
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When my family goes to my sharegroup, and then searches for my daughter's name, the search goes out to all of smugmug. Wouldn't it make sense to limit the search to whithin the sharegroup when they're in that sharegroup? Why would they be in the sharegroup in the first place if they wanted to search the entire site? If this can get fixed, or if there is a setting that can fix it, then I'll be all set.
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Sorry, David, but I'm afraid if a gallery is marked 'Private' or has a password assigned, searching just won't work.
I'm glad sharegroups is working for you, and I'll give some thought to if there's a possibility to allow searching within a sharegroup (it sounds possible, but no promises). But today, you cannot do it.
Wish I had better news, but we're pretty paranoid about privacy and security around here, and anything like searching within secure or private galleries is not something we take lightly.
Don
Are those the only IPTC fields you check? I use iView Media Pro, and the fields I use are non-standard, iView specific. I could easily change this, but never really had reason to before. I'd just like to know the full extent of your IPTC support.
Also, on the topic of searching private galleries from within a sharegroup, couldnt' this be handled in part by adding a search field to the sharegroup view that is separate from the main search field? One that is limited to the sharegroup? Probably, huh? You're gonna tell me manhours/priority again, I bet. Ah, well. I understand.
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It looks for me that you are trying "to invent a bike" (Nikolai, is it correct?)
I would like to create roles like "owner", "family", "friend", "coworker" and so on, assign a pasword for each role and then set which role can see which galery.
So, when a person enter "coworker" password he can see only galeries which is visiblw for coworkers, search and keywords works only for that galeries and so on...
Hi Monk,
Thanks for the feedback, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm afraid this just won't work. It violates our Prime Directive which is to be Easy.
Adding role-level complexity will just confuse most of our customers and doesn't buy us enough good stuff to override our constant struggle to keep the site easy to use.
Don
Hi Monk,
If you're looking for word-by-word translation from Russian, then you're 100% correct:-).
However, it is a Russian idiom and as such it's gotta be translated as a proper English idiom, which happens to be "to reinvent the wheel":-)
Cheers!