The shot on the left has lower noise on the clock tower and a less saturated sky; both of which are effects I would expect from the 80A after correcting the WB. The shot on the right has a magenta cast--not sure what that's about.
Yeah, the cooling filter doubles the exposure time, thereby doubling the noise with no noticeable improvement that I can see.
One disadvantage of the 5D MKII is it has a dirty chip and longer exposures make things worse.
The 5D MKI is an exceptional long exposure camera. It sounds like, from your experience, that the MKII doesn't handle long exposures as well which is a bit unfortunate. I wonder at what point you are better off bumping the ISO on the MKII rather than the exposure time?
The 5D MKI is an exceptional long exposure camera. It sounds like, from your experience, that the MKII doesn't handle long exposures as well which is a bit unfortunate. I wonder at what point you are better off bumping the ISO on the MKII rather than the exposure time?
I shot everything at ISO 100 but it was still noisy in the shadows, even with just a 2-second exposure.
You can turn on the long exposure noise reduction option, and I've seen great results from others using it, but it doubles the exposure time, which is hard for me shooting panos with the weather quickly changing.
I saw comparisons of the D3x versus 5D MKII for noise in the shadows, and there was quite a difference.
I dunno if I heated up my chip by using live view so much for focusing and shooting so many shots in a row... Maybe that contributes to the noise, I dunno. The performance of the chip does deciline after shooting a few minutes of video.
I shot everything at ISO 100 but it was still noisy in the shadows, even with just a 2-second exposure.
You can turn on the long exposure noise reduction option, and I've seen great results from others using it, but it doubles the exposure time, which is hard for me shooting panos with the weather quickly changing.
I saw comparisons of the D3x versus 5D MKII for noise in the shadows, and there was quite a difference.
I dunno if I heated up my chip by using live view so much for focusing and shooting so many shots in a row... Maybe that contributes to the noise, I dunno. The performance of the chip does deciline after shooting a few minutes of video.
Yes, long exposures do heat up the CMOS chip and do create additional noise, both hot pixels and random noise.
You can take a single "dark frame" at the end of the session and that should do fairly well at representing the hot pixels. There is software that handles inverting the dark frame and subtracting from the actual images. I don't know how much automation you can achieve but it might be possible to automate.
Random noise is relatively easy to accommodate in software but the 5D MKII is supposed to do a good job of averaging the random noise in long exposures so it may not be needed after subtracting the dark frame. (In other words most of the noise could be due to hot pixels, so that's what I would try to ameliorate first.)
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edited March 11, 2009
Hokay, we hung the 144x132-inch print... That's Schmoo in front of it:
It's 200 dpi, sharp as a tack, and people just gasp when they see it. You can't see the statues carved from lovely stone all over that cathedral any other way, even in person.
The light changes as you go up in this shot because daylight is pouring in through a skylight.
That is awesome! And it looks like Schmoo is actually in the picture
That would be awesome, meaning I would have visited Milan!
Seriously though the print really is breathtaking. I wouldn't expect less from a photographer as precise and driven as Baldy, but you really can see every single nook and cranny of the cathedral in that photo. They need to get one of those library ladders-on-a-rail just to make sure any visitor can go up and pixel peep on the thing.
Wasn't sure if a side trip to SM HQ was in order when I'm in Tahoe next month. However... looks like these are a no-brainer no-miss adventure. That, and also to say hello to all my SM friends, of course.
Should we look for a new smiley for Baldy that is pano related?
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Absolutely stunning. Good grief that is a monster print. How about some details on the printing itself? Next time I am in the south bay I would love to come by and see it in person.
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edited March 24, 2009
A film crew with a RED camera followed me up to SF to re-create the shooting of the SF pano, and I was bummed that the sky at dusk was hardly orange.
AJ, the RED operator, snapped back, "Oh, it's orange. I got it." I looked in his monitor and it was beautiful.
He had mounted a glass filter over the lens that was blue at the bottom and graded to orange at the top, so he warmed the sky and cooled the city lights. It really looked great.
AJ's other projects are he's filming James Cameron's new film, Avatar, and Spielberg's new film, Tintin. He gets to film a lot of epic stuff, but he loved being on the island and filming that view of SF.
thank you so much for sharing this epic shot and adventure to capture it. I wish this thread could be stickied to show everyone what a group of talented individuals as a team can come up with.
Baldy, congrats on finally getting this project printed. It looks absolutely stunning.
A film crew with a RED camera followed me up to SF to re-create the shooting of the SF pano, and I was bummed that the sky at dusk was hardly orange.
AJ, the RED operator, snapped back, "Oh, it's orange. I got it." I looked in his monitor and it was beautiful.
He had mounted a glass filter over the lens that was blue at the bottom and graded to orange at the top, so he warmed the sky and cooled the city lights. It really looked great.
AJ's other projects are he's filming James Cameron's new film, Avatar, and Spielberg's new film, Tintin. He gets to film a lot of epic stuff, but he loved being on the island and filming that view of SF.
Any idea on when/if we get to see this?
http://dexterfriedkin.smugmug.com/ - A work in progress. Hopefully someday it'll be filled with many great pictures instead of a couple of good ones.
We have a wall at SmugMug that is begging for a jaw-dropping pano. We know we want the SF skyline, probably from Bay Bridge to a little past Coit tower. A lot like the shot in the next post, but with supreme sharpness & dynamic range.
Bumping this thread is so unfair and such a huge tease to those that can not see it hung at the Smugmug head quarters.:cry
After following this thread from beginning to end, one really appreciates the total effort from all the members that participated in helping baldy work out technical difficulties in producing such a large and bold picture. The end result is magical and a true pleasure to view in person.
I hope all of you that followed this thread one day will be able to see this masterpiece. bow
Hello dginners, I was browsing this thread, and I am stunned of your results.
I was wondering if there is an easy way to upload a zoomify pano to my smugmug page? or if you had a tutorial of how this could be done. Maybe you can help to point me into the right direction, thank's a lot, Cheers, Ernst
I'm in the process of ordering some myself from DPI-SF... Any recos as to the paper/laminates/coatings that you guys have had success with?
My first application won't be in a high-traffic area; it'll be hung in an entry way with the closest viewing distance being about 4 feet. I'm printing at 80x45". I'm therefore not concerned with protecting the print... I'm going with gloss and no laminate (unless you feel strongly that this is a bad idea).
Also, any thoughts on mounting? I saw someone mention a velcro-like approach earlier in the thread... just curious if you've become fond of any specific methods. Thx!
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That would leave the one on the right as the filtered candidate.
I do like the one on the left better overall regardless.
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One disadvantage of the 5D MKII is it has a dirty chip and longer exposures make things worse.
The 5D MKI is an exceptional long exposure camera. It sounds like, from your experience, that the MKII doesn't handle long exposures as well which is a bit unfortunate. I wonder at what point you are better off bumping the ISO on the MKII rather than the exposure time?
You can turn on the long exposure noise reduction option, and I've seen great results from others using it, but it doubles the exposure time, which is hard for me shooting panos with the weather quickly changing.
I saw comparisons of the D3x versus 5D MKII for noise in the shadows, and there was quite a difference.
I dunno if I heated up my chip by using live view so much for focusing and shooting so many shots in a row... Maybe that contributes to the noise, I dunno. The performance of the chip does deciline after shooting a few minutes of video.
Yes, long exposures do heat up the CMOS chip and do create additional noise, both hot pixels and random noise.
You can take a single "dark frame" at the end of the session and that should do fairly well at representing the hot pixels. There is software that handles inverting the dark frame and subtracting from the actual images. I don't know how much automation you can achieve but it might be possible to automate.
Random noise is relatively easy to accommodate in software but the 5D MKII is supposed to do a good job of averaging the random noise in long exposures so it may not be needed after subtracting the dark frame. (In other words most of the noise could be due to hot pixels, so that's what I would try to ameliorate first.)
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It's 200 dpi, sharp as a tack, and people just gasp when they see it. You can't see the statues carved from lovely stone all over that cathedral any other way, even in person.
The light changes as you go up in this shot because daylight is pouring in through a skylight.
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That would be awesome, meaning I would have visited Milan!
Seriously though the print really is breathtaking. I wouldn't expect less from a photographer as precise and driven as Baldy, but you really can see every single nook and cranny of the cathedral in that photo. They need to get one of those library ladders-on-a-rail just to make sure any visitor can go up and pixel peep on the thing.
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Wasn't sure if a side trip to SM HQ was in order when I'm in Tahoe next month. However... looks like these are a no-brainer no-miss adventure. That, and also to say hello to all my SM friends, of course.
Should we look for a new smiley for Baldy that is pano related?
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AJ, the RED operator, snapped back, "Oh, it's orange. I got it." I looked in his monitor and it was beautiful.
He had mounted a glass filter over the lens that was blue at the bottom and graded to orange at the top, so he warmed the sky and cooled the city lights. It really looked great.
AJ's other projects are he's filming James Cameron's new film, Avatar, and Spielberg's new film, Tintin. He gets to film a lot of epic stuff, but he loved being on the island and filming that view of SF.
Baldy, congrats on finally getting this project printed. It looks absolutely stunning.
Andy, thank you for posting the video link.
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Any idea on when/if we get to see this?
Your answer!
http://www.panoscan.com/
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It's very cool, it wraps 'round our whole conference room
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After following this thread from beginning to end, one really appreciates the total effort from all the members that participated in helping baldy work out technical difficulties in producing such a large and bold picture. The end result is magical and a true pleasure to view in person.
I hope all of you that followed this thread one day will be able to see this masterpiece.
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Hello dginners, I was browsing this thread, and I am stunned of your results.
I was wondering if there is an easy way to upload a zoomify pano to my smugmug page? or if you had a tutorial of how this could be done. Maybe you can help to point me into the right direction, thank's a lot, Cheers, Ernst
My first application won't be in a high-traffic area; it'll be hung in an entry way with the closest viewing distance being about 4 feet. I'm printing at 80x45". I'm therefore not concerned with protecting the print... I'm going with gloss and no laminate (unless you feel strongly that this is a bad idea).
Also, any thoughts on mounting? I saw someone mention a velcro-like approach earlier in the thread... just curious if you've become fond of any specific methods. Thx!