Weekly Assignment #103: Natural High Key

NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
edited February 3, 2009 in Assignments
We all know (or heard) and seen numerous high key images. Web is full of them, fashion and "lifestyle" magazines are full of them... Technically, high key scenario defines the image as a properly exposed (not blown out!) one, but with no dark shadows (more here...).
Typically the "lack of shadows" part is reached by using very light (preferably white) background and lots and lots of studio lighting.
However this time our task to try to get one without selling your first-born.
Think about it for a second: where would you get a naturally bright background and a lot of light? Yeah, right, in the middle of the winter...:wink
So, this time, my dear Dave, you shall have no excuse about not being in SoCal: snowy fields should give you perfect natural high key background, while the sun should provide all the power in the world to eliminate the last of dark shadows.
The last tricky part is to find a natural fill/main light to avoid the shadows in front of the subject (if you have it facing you and not the sun). Here the power of reflection comes to help. Steep South-looking snow-covered hill can play a perfect reflector role. And of course poster of foam boards can work as well in case you dont have a "real" reflector.
For those few unlucky souls who, like yours truly, live in the areas where The White Christmas is only mentioned in carols and movies - get creative. Sand or large body of water can play a role of a white seamless better than you may suspect.

So let's get all natural (No flash!). High-key (no dark shadows). One entry per person. Multiple entries are OK if they a drastically different.

EDIT: more on high-keys: http://www.diyphotography.net/lighting-high-key-and-low-key

Let's get some natural high keys!
"May the f/stop be with you!"
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  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2009
    Ok, I'll jump first. There is definitely a balance between getting a good bright background and not letting the light get too harsh.

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    geoff
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2009
    Ok, I'll jump first. There is definitely a balance between getting a good bright background and not letting the light get too harsh.
    Geoff,
    thank you for going first! thumb.gif
    Can you describe your setup and provide an original color version? With the current image it's really hard to tell if it the shadows or rather black-furred dog who's been lit properly according to the assignment... ne_nau.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    Can you describe your setup and provide an original color version? With the current image it's really hard to tell if it the shadows or rather black-furred dog who's been lit properly according to the assignment... ne_nau.gif

    Sure. Hmmm, setup. There really wasn't much setup. The sun is relatively low in the sky and our yard is quite surrounded with trees. I managed to get Cleo to stop for a moment in a wedge of sunlight so she was brightly lit. I knelt in the snow and positioned myself so I was not much higher that her and so that my shadow did not fall on her.

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    Looking at this original image you can see the shadow from her ear on her left shoulder. To eliminate this shadow I really needed a reflector off to her left, which would have also helped with the shadow on the side of her face too. But being a playful dog she wouldn't sit for a reflector setup so I'm afraid I cheated and cropped out that portion of the image. By boosting the exposure a bit, a black & white conversion and tweaking the channels a bit I remove most of the shadow on the left side of her face and end up with a passable high key image.

    Hmmm..., making all these excuses shows that I haven't done the assignment right have I? :(:
    geoff
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Looking at this original image you can see the shadow from her ear on her left shoulder. To eliminate this shadow I really needed a reflector off to her left, which would have also helped with the shadow on the side of her face too. But being a playful dog she wouldn't sit for a reflector setup so I'm afraid I cheated and cropped out that portion of the image. By boosting the exposure a bit, a black & white conversion and tweaking the channels a bit I remove most of the shadow on the left side of her face and end up with a passable high key image.

    Hmmm..., making all these excuses shows that I haven't done the assignment right have I? :(:
    I guess so, yeah ne_nau.gif
    Wanna try again with a more willing subject? mwink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Jeremy WinterbergJeremy Winterberg Registered Users Posts: 1,233 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    I'm gonna try this today if I find time. I take it that we can't use flash? natural lighting and reflector's only right? Good thing Wisconsin gets slammed with snow every year eh?
    Jer
  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    Wanna try again with a more willing subject? mwink.gif

    Sure. Today may be better since it is totally overcast and the lighting will be REALLY flat...
    geoff
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    I'm gonna try this today if I find time. I take it that we can't use flash? natural lighting and reflector's only right? Good thing Wisconsin gets slammed with snow every year eh?
    That is correct. No flash, sun and "reflectors" only. thumb.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    OK, so how about this one? No setup. It's overcast and the sun was above and behind the building. Just bumped the exposure a bit in Aperture.

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    geoff
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    OK, so how about this one? No setup. It's overcast and the sun was above and behind the building. Just bumped the exposure a bit in Aperture.
    Geoff, it's better, but it's overexposed (at least in post): the snow on the ground has no details. High key is NOT an overexposed image, it's simply an image without dark shadows...
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    Geoff, it's better, but it's overexposed (at least in post): the snow on the ground has no details. High key is NOT an overexposed image, it's simply an image without dark shadows...

    Sigh, I know. I kind of liked it better overexposed so I left it. :(

    I also know I'm not being a very good student. I think people tend to fuss with images more today because of all the processing we have with digital images compared to film images. People will try and fix a bad shot to make it usable rather than learning how to take a proper picture.

    In any case, here is the original without any processing. I still like the washed out image better. :D

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    geoff
  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Oh and there is a tendency to only upload really nice pictures. Even for assignments like this where we are supposed to be trying something outside our comfort zone and learning something new. We don't want to embarrass ourselves by uploading something less than perfect. The whole internet will see our mistake and laugh at us. :cry

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    geoff
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    Thanks, Geoff, appreciate the efforts! thumb.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Jeremy WinterbergJeremy Winterberg Registered Users Posts: 1,233 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    OK, I froze my butt off today taking pictures but it was worth it.

    I went to my work to get a lens hood since I dont have one, (I work at a Photography Studio / Camera Shop / Mini Lab) and I ended up buying a new lens (ProMaster 17-50mm f/2.8... promaster is like Tamron but waaay cheaper), a wireless shutter release, two lens hoods, and a lens cap because I lost one of my fancy Canon ones :(...

    Unfortunately, I took my picture before I got the new lens but after I got the Lens Hood. I went back and forth and kept buying stuff all day... :/ I'm poor now once again.

    So, here it goes.

    Pure sun light, no reflectors (unless you count snow mwink.gif ) and a Lens Hood, using a Canon 70-300mm f/4 Lens on a Canon XSi body. Shot in AV mode.

    Ok, so I cheated a little bit, I couldn't see the minor shadows on my camera LCD because it was so flippin bright out today. ne_nau.gif

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    Jer
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2009
    OK, I froze my butt off today taking pictures but it was worth it.

    I went to my work to get a lens hood since I dont have one, (I work at a Photography Studio / Camera Shop / Mini Lab) and I ended up buying a new lens (ProMaster 17-50mm f/2.8... promaster is like Tamron but waaay cheaper), a wireless shutter release, two lens hoods, and a lens cap because I lost one of my fancy Canon ones :(...

    Unfortunately, I took my picture before I got the new lens but after I got the Lens Hood. I went back and forth and kept buying stuff all day... :/ I'm poor now once again.

    So, here it goes.

    Pure sun light, no reflectors (unless you count snow mwink.gif ) and a Lens Hood, using a Canon 70-300mm f/4 Lens on a Canon XSi body. Shot in AV mode.

    Ok, so I cheated a little bit, I couldn't see the minor shadows on my camera LCD because it was so flippin bright out today. ne_nau.gif

    Jeremy, thank you for your entry! thumb.gif Congrats on the new toys! clap.gif
    Now, can you be a good sport and use sun as a rim (not as main), find some reflector-like thingie and fill the shadows with it? mwink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • Jeremy WinterbergJeremy Winterberg Registered Users Posts: 1,233 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    Jeremy, thank you for your entry! thumb.gif Congrats on the new toys! clap.gif
    Now, can you be a good sport and use sun as a rim (not as main), find some reflector-like thingie and fill the shadows with it? mwink.gif

    Yeah, I'll take another go at it some other day, I work all day tomorrow (gotta pay for them new toys deal.gif ) and so, It'll probably be dark by the time I get done with work. So, probably Sunday is when I'll do it.
    Jer
  • travelwaystravelways Registered Users Posts: 7,854 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    Hi Nicolai,

    How's this one?

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    EXIF is embedded
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    photo-bug wrote:
    Hi Nicolai,
    How's this one?
    EXIF is embedded
    Tatiana,
    thank you!
    I love the mood of the picture, very festive and peaceful!
    However, depsite of a lot of snow this is not a high key image in technical sense of the term. Your primary subjects (people) show a lot of dark shadowy parts.
    Please check the expamples in the OP and note the need for some "reflector" device to fill the shadows.
    Be advised: this is *not* an easy assignemnt, even if it sounds like one. Proper high-key is challenging even in the studio, and only more so in all-natural environment.
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • travelwaystravelways Registered Users Posts: 7,854 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    Tatiana,
    thank you!
    I love the mood of the picture, very festive and peaceful!
    However, depsite of a lot of snow this is not a high key image in technical sense of the term. Your primary subjects (people) show a lot of dard shadowy part.
    Please check the expamples in the OP and note the need for some "reflector" device to fill the shadows.
    Be advised: this is *not* an easy assignemnt, even if it sounds like one. Proper high-key is challenging even in the studio, and only more so in all-natural environment.


    Oops, sorry... I've never heard before of the term "high key images"... by looking at the examples in google, I think I understand now... (reflector I don't have, but if is doable with only sunlight, I guess I'll give it another try, today, or maybe tomorrow)

    Thank you soo much for your time thumb.gif
    Tatiana - Seeing the world through my camera
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    VegasGreatAttractions.com
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    photo-bug wrote:
    Oops, sorry... I've never heard before of the term "high key images"... by looking at the examples in google, I think I understand now... (reflector I don't have, but if is doable with only sunlight, I guess I'll give it another try, today, or maybe tomorrow)

    Thank you soo much for your time thumb.gif

    You don't have to have one. Get creative, many surface reflect light, as I mentioned in OP...
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • travelwaystravelways Registered Users Posts: 7,854 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    Can be this considered a High key photo?

    448044566_YQkhW-L.jpg

    EXIF is embedded
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  • travelwaystravelways Registered Users Posts: 7,854 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    What about this?

    447898700_7KKK3-L.jpg

    EXIF is embedded
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    VegasGreatAttractions.com
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  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    photo-bug wrote:
    Can be this considered a High key photo?
    EXIF is embedded
    It's simply overexposed...
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    photo-bug wrote:
    What about this?
    EXIF is embedded
    And the subject is... the background? ne_nau.gif
    Tatiana, don't rush it. As I said, it's not that simple...
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    photo-bug wrote:
    Can be this considered a High key photo?

    Let's see if I can help. (I'm learning too.) See the shadows at the top of each window? That keeps it from being a high key picture. Look closely at the high key photos you see when you do a google search. Many of them look over exposed so you think that an over exposed picture is high key. But that isn't it. It is that the pictures have no shadows at all. A low key photo is jam packed with shadows and looks underexposed. Rather than thinking of high/low key as over/under exposed. Think of high/low key as no/lots of shadows.
    geoff
  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    photo-bug wrote:
    What about this?

    447898700_7KKK3-S.jpg

    If anything this is low key because it is ALL shadow.

    Or am I misinterpreting this Nikolai? (Feel free to correct me.)
    geoff
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 3, 2009
    If anything this is low key because it is ALL shadow.

    Or am I misinterpreting this Nikolai? (Feel free to correct me.)
    It's neither... low key is mostly dark shadows. Both should have some distinctive subject as opposed to depict the background only.
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • travelwaystravelways Registered Users Posts: 7,854 Major grins
    edited January 4, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:

    It's simply overexposed...

    And the subject is... the background? ne_nau.gif
    Tatiana, don't rush it. As I said, it's not that simple...


    No, this was a normal well exposed shot - I washed it out in Photoshop to make it look like the ones
    in google.

    Anyway, there is no sense on trying to do something I don't know anything about...
    I will take my time to learn and understand the idea and the technique, before I'll try again.

    Thank you guys :)
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  • angevin1angevin1 Registered Users Posts: 3,403 Major grins
    edited January 4, 2009
    "So let's get all natural (No flash!). High-key (no dark shadows). One entry per person. Multiple entries are OK if they a drastically different."

    Hi Nik, everyone! Never tried this before: WITHOUT flash! Very hard without being outside, unless one has a room with lots of light and many or large window/s. SO here is my best from this morning. Amazing how much dark hair absorbs light..amazing! I think this is borderline compliant and certainly with proper LR or PP it could go middle/Hi or just Hi altogether~~

    cheers, tom

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    I cannot figure out how to ensure the Meta?EXIF data shows~
    tom wise
  • NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 4, 2009
    angevin1 wrote:
    "So let's get all natural (No flash!). High-key (no dark shadows). One entry per person. Multiple entries are OK if they a drastically different."

    Hi Nik, everyone! Never tried this before: WITHOUT flash! Very hard without being outside, unless one has a room with lots of light and many or large window/s. SO here is my best from this morning. Amazing how much dark hair absorbs light..amazing! I think this is borderline compliant and certainly with proper LR or PP it could go middle/Hi or just Hi altogether~~

    cheers, tom

    I cannot figure out how to ensure the Meta?EXIF data shows~

    Tom,
    thank you! thumb.gif
    As you said yourself, it's borderline there. As you can see by the histogram, even if you completely get rid of background (which, btw, is an important part of any high key, hence my original suggestion to shoot against the sun on a snowy field) your subject shows enough of the dark pixel. And it doesn't look like it's hair alone. You did a great effort of using white cloth and placing her in a white-walled room by the window, but I don't think you can possibly have a proper highkey indoors, it's simply not enough light...ne_nau.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
  • baldmountainbaldmountain Registered Users Posts: 192 Major grins
    edited January 4, 2009
    Nikolai wrote:
    I don't think you can possibly have a proper highkey indoors, it's simply not enough light...ne_nau.gif

    Oh, ho! A challenge! :D
    geoff
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