It does, but even if it's $2999 (I'm hoping for under 3K), it should trickle down after a few months. Maybe
Even at $3k I might just be able to justify it. If it's heading for 4k, there's no way I could invest that much as a part-time shooter.
The ORIGINAL 5D came out at $3300 in when, 2005? I'm betting the 5D mk3 will be $3300-$3500, if it gets ALL the rumored specs. If they cram all those specs in at just $3K, well, people will say "they pulled a Nikon" or something!
doesn't it take more time to scroll through that many points and make a decision quickly? )
Depends how they're organised and (how easily) accessed, I'd have thought?
I bought a used 1D3 for similar money as a new 7D about 2 yrs ago, and it's the shape of the AF area coverage on the 1, compared with the 'diamond' which I personally prefer.
At the times I'm forced to use my 40D and its diamond, it's a right pita ...
I suspect I'd feel the same about a 7D (in this respect), although I've never used one.
The ORIGINAL 5D came out at $3300 in when, 2005? I'm betting the 5D mk3 will be $3300-$3500, if it gets ALL the rumored specs. If they cram all those specs in at just $3K, well, people will say "they pulled a Nikon" or something!
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What was the 5d2 at launch? Sorry if I'm simply out of the loop here - I always thought it had started right around 3k.
Nikon shooters, doesn't it take more time to scroll through that many points and make a decision quickly?
Not at all. I find it very intuitive. From what I understand, on Canon you spin the dial and it cycles through the AF points so you have to proceed through them in a certain order(?). On Nikon, we don't have a thumb dial, it's a directional pad, so you just hit the button in the direction you want to go and the highlighted focus point moves wherever you want. Very quick and easy.
Not at all. I find it very intuitive. From what I understand, on Canon you spin the dial and it cycles through the AF points so you have to proceed through them in a certain order(?). On Nikon, we don't have a thumb dial, it's a directional pad, so you just hit the button in the direction you want to go and the highlighted focus point moves wherever you want. Very quick and easy.
Same thing in Canon. It's not a default setting, but one of the Custom Functions allows you to use the central 8+1 joystick exactly for that. I myself never use the wheel to change the focal point and the mere idea of scrolling through 45/61 etc points seems rather ridiculous, to say the least....
Not at all. I find it very intuitive. From what I understand, on Canon you spin the dial and it cycles through the AF points so you have to proceed through them in a certain order(?). On Nikon, we don't have a thumb dial, it's a directional pad, so you just hit the button in the direction you want to go and the highlighted focus point moves wherever you want. Very quick and easy.
You can do the same thing on Canon xD and xxD bodies using the multi-controller joystick.
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From what I understand, on Canon you spin the dial and it cycles through the AF points so you have to proceed through them in a certain order(?). On Nikon, we don't have a thumb dial, it's a directional pad, so you just hit the button in the direction you want to go and the highlighted focus point moves wherever you want. Very quick and easy.
3 AF access routes on 1D3 and 40D ... assume other Canon bodies similar.
Rear dial
Top thumbwheel
Rear joystick
With user choice of layout / no of points used on 1D
The main processor would be Digic 5, as in all their new cameras. It is suggested that the AF alone would be processed via an older Digic 4 sub-processor.
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Same thing in Canon. It's not a default setting, but one of the Custom Functions allows you to use the central 8+1 joystick exactly for that. I myself never use the wheel to change the focal point and the mere idea of scrolling through 45/61 etc points seems rather ridiculous, to say the least....
I have my 7d set to use the joystick. I also like that with the joystick you can set it to go back to center point with a single push on the joystick. Very useful if you want to get there quickly.
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Yeah the whole focus point selection thing is handled BEAUTIFULLY on Nikon. I actually find it easier to navigate focus points on Nikon's 51 point system than Canon's 9-point AF on the 5-series.
First, the "joypad" is huge compared to Canon's "joybutton". It's just easier to work with
Second, when using the 9-point AF on the Canons, each button position corresponds EXACTLY to a focus point. That's convenient if you can nail it each time, however I'm just kinda clumsy I guess, I hardly ever get it perfect the first try.
Third, even on Canon's (now old) 45-point AF, the points are staggered so even though the joypad can control them in an "up-down-left-right" fashion, it's still a little weird.
Fourth, if all else fails, you can reduce Nikon's focus points from 51 to 11, which allows you to move from point to point VERY rapidly.
Not at all. I find it very intuitive. From what I understand, on Canon you spin the dial and it cycles through the AF points so you have to proceed through them in a certain order(?). On Nikon, we don't have a thumb dial, it's a directional pad, so you just hit the button in the direction you want to go and the highlighted focus point moves wherever you want. Very quick and easy.
Not on the 7D, there is a joy stick button that lets you "drive" left, right, up, down to the focus point you want to use.
That is correct, and I'm glad Canon has finally adopted this system of AF point control. If you'll notice, the AF points on the 1DX are also very in-line, compared to the off-set (triangle / hex pattern) AF points on the older 1-series bodies.
Canon has also created a SECOND control dial, and that is something I'm honestly still kinda puzzled by; I"ll have to test it in the real world before I make a judgment call though. Honestly, I wish they'd just make a big fat joypad like Nikon has, and put their wheel dial around it like on the Canon 60D... Or some camera I forget which, but they did a great job of this...
What is this "finally"? It's been like this since the 40D, and the joystick moves in 8 directions. Or just press the joystick straight in and it instantly selects the center point.
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What is this "finally"? It's been like this since the 40D, and the joystick moves in 8 directions. Or just press the joystick straight in and it instantly selects the center point.
Nikon has used the "up-down-left-right" method since the F5 in the 90's. Then, Canon was relying on a crazy dual-dial system.
When Canon finally introduced the "joybutton" on the 20D and 1Ds mk2 in 2004, it wasn't even functional for focus point selection on the 1Ds mk2, and on the 20D it was as I described- Each of the 8 directions corresponded *exactly* with a single focus point, so you really had to be careful if you were clumsy, otherwise you'd click the wrong focus point. Over and over again, if you're me. Yes, it's nifty to be able to press the center button and go right to the center focus point, but again Nikon has that too and in my opinion it is an easier button to press...
This continued on the 5-series, both still using a similar 9-point system, and the 1Ds mk3 didn't gain "up-down-left-right" focus point control until halfway through it's life, when Canon woke up and added the feature in a firmware upgrade. I specifically remember this because Becker did a test / review of the 1Ds mk3 and actually ended up going back to his 5D mk1 afterwards because he needed that direct focus point control feature. Canon updated the firmware a few months / year later.
In fact, The Canon 7D is the ONLY affordable DSLR to have true "up-down-left-right" focus point control, with focus points arranged neatly in columns and rows. Even then, The "joybutton" is still kinda oriented in a diagonal fashion, and I still kinda prefer the Nikon "joypad". I accidentally bump my focus points 90% less on my Nikon's than when I'm shooting with either the 7-series or 5-series bodies. (I'm left-eyed) In fact to be honest most of the time I just turn the "multi-controller direct" feature off completely, and resort to hitting the dedicated AF point selection button. (AKA the zoom in button)
All in all, my point was to answer the question directed at Nikon users about focus point control. I'm glad that Canon may finally be addressing this drawback in ease-of-use, and I might even switch to shooting on the 5D mk3 for my work, if the studio I work at decides they can afford to spring for a half-dozen of them .
oh yeah, 20D, quite right! Anyway ergonomics and controls are a highly subjective thing. I've never picked up any Nikon DSLR and been anything but utterly confounded. When I went from my Canon S45 point-n-shoot to a borrowed 10D, I didn't even have to crack the manual.
BUT, if the D800 ends up getting the D4 chip (I know, doubtful but I still wouldn't be surprised), and the 5DIII gets 9+6 point AF, my fingers might have to learn Nikonese.
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Things are starting to look hopeful... If this is what we're getting and it comes in under $3k (under $2800 even better) I think I am going to be a happy (if poor!) girl ....
oh yeah, 20D, quite right! Anyway ergonomics and controls are a highly subjective thing. I've never picked up any Nikon DSLR and been anything but utterly confounded. When I went from my Canon S45 point-n-shoot to a borrowed 10D, I didn't even have to crack the manual.
BUT, if the D800 ends up getting the D4 chip (I know, doubtful but I still wouldn't be surprised), and the 5DIII gets 9+6 point AF, my fingers might have to learn Nikonese.
Unfortunately (?) the D800 came in at 36 megapixels as predicted, but fortunately for you the Canon 5D mk3 rumors are looking VERY good. I'm still keeping my doubts, but am hopeful!
You may not have to switch after all. Which is a shame, tough, since those Nikon controls are SO much better! ...For me, that is. :-P
Unfortunately (?) the D800 came in at 36 megapixels as predicted, but fortunately for you the Canon 5D mk3 rumors are looking VERY good. I'm still keeping my doubts, but am hopeful!
You may not have to switch after all. Which is a shame, tough, since those Nikon controls are SO much better! ...For me, that is. :-P
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Yeah, I saw the D800 land, of course. My Canon lenses are quite safe. Who wants to shoot 36mp all day? Not me.
Interesting how there is now this gaping hole in Nikon's lineup that is only filled by the $6000 D4. I think the 5DIII is going to snuggle right into it quite nicely!
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An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
Not having an extreme pixel count makes sense to me. If you want absurd megapixels with well controlled noise while maintaining great dynamic range, I suspect Sony's sensors are the only game in town at the moment (unless Canon's sensor engineers have managed to catch up, of course).
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Below are the specs for the coming 5D replacement, the full name of the camera is currently unknown.
Specs
22mp
61pt AF
100% VF
3.2″ LCD
Dual CF/SD Card Slots
Price: Around $3500 USD
Announcement on February 27 or 28, 2012 (Depending where you are on earth)
Sounds great. Was hoping it would come in under or at 3,000 but expected this number for MSRP.
5D Mark III/X
Below are the specs for the coming 5D replacement, the full name of the camera is currently unknown.
Specs
22mp
61pt AF
100% VF
3.2″ LCD
Dual CF/SD Card Slots
Price: Around $3500 USD
Announcement on February 27 or 28, 2012 (Depending where you are on earth)
Sounds great. Was hoping it would come in under or at 3,000 but expected this number for MSRP.
Any rumors re: FPS? will it be 5, 6? I'm guessing not more.
No i havent. I dont think i even remember what it is. I just go to my favourites and click on th link for this site.Dont worry he wont be doing this in a hurry again. I think he has learned his lesson. Thanks for your comment
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HEY-OOOO!!! They've gone and done the impossible. Congratulations, Canon / Canon shooters! Welcome to the "affordable flagship AF" party! ivar
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Probably shouldn't count chickens etc.
Personally though, better AF points is much more important than more AF points. In fact,I could live with just one if it worked reliably in very low light.
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It does, but even if it's $2999 (I'm hoping for under 3K), it should trickle down after a few months. Maybe
Even at $3k I might just be able to justify it. If it's heading for 4k, there's no way I could invest that much as a part-time shooter.
The ORIGINAL 5D came out at $3300 in when, 2005? I'm betting the 5D mk3 will be $3300-$3500, if it gets ALL the rumored specs. If they cram all those specs in at just $3K, well, people will say "they pulled a Nikon" or something!
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Depends how they're organised and (how easily) accessed, I'd have thought?
I bought a used 1D3 for similar money as a new 7D about 2 yrs ago, and it's the shape of the AF area coverage on the 1, compared with the 'diamond' which I personally prefer.
At the times I'm forced to use my 40D and its diamond, it's a right pita ...
I suspect I'd feel the same about a 7D (in this respect), although I've never used one.
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What was the 5d2 at launch? Sorry if I'm simply out of the loop here - I always thought it had started right around 3k.
$2700.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2008/9/17/canon_5dmarkII
I agree that IF the 5DIII has 45 or 61 point AF, AND the Nikon D800 is $4000 or more, the 5DIII could hit $3500.
If it has 7D AF or less, it should stay at $2700 or less. If it has 61 point AF for $2700, I will soil myself.
That is actually conceivable as the 1DX represents a 15% price drop from the 1DsIII.
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
Not at all. I find it very intuitive. From what I understand, on Canon you spin the dial and it cycles through the AF points so you have to proceed through them in a certain order(?). On Nikon, we don't have a thumb dial, it's a directional pad, so you just hit the button in the direction you want to go and the highlighted focus point moves wherever you want. Very quick and easy.
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Same thing in Canon. It's not a default setting, but one of the Custom Functions allows you to use the central 8+1 joystick exactly for that. I myself never use the wheel to change the focal point and the mere idea of scrolling through 45/61 etc points seems rather ridiculous, to say the least....
Cuong
3 AF access routes on 1D3 and 40D ... assume other Canon bodies similar.
Rear dial
Top thumbwheel
Rear joystick
With user choice of layout / no of points used on 1D
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The main processor would be Digic 5, as in all their new cameras. It is suggested that the AF alone would be processed via an older Digic 4 sub-processor.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - Wayne Gretzky
I have my 7d set to use the joystick. I also like that with the joystick you can set it to go back to center point with a single push on the joystick. Very useful if you want to get there quickly.
First, the "joypad" is huge compared to Canon's "joybutton". It's just easier to work with
Second, when using the 9-point AF on the Canons, each button position corresponds EXACTLY to a focus point. That's convenient if you can nail it each time, however I'm just kinda clumsy I guess, I hardly ever get it perfect the first try.
Third, even on Canon's (now old) 45-point AF, the points are staggered so even though the joypad can control them in an "up-down-left-right" fashion, it's still a little weird.
Fourth, if all else fails, you can reduce Nikon's focus points from 51 to 11, which allows you to move from point to point VERY rapidly.
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That is correct, and I'm glad Canon has finally adopted this system of AF point control. If you'll notice, the AF points on the 1DX are also very in-line, compared to the off-set (triangle / hex pattern) AF points on the older 1-series bodies.
Canon has also created a SECOND control dial, and that is something I'm honestly still kinda puzzled by; I"ll have to test it in the real world before I make a judgment call though. Honestly, I wish they'd just make a big fat joypad like Nikon has, and put their wheel dial around it like on the Canon 60D... Or some camera I forget which, but they did a great job of this...
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An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
Nikon has used the "up-down-left-right" method since the F5 in the 90's. Then, Canon was relying on a crazy dual-dial system.
When Canon finally introduced the "joybutton" on the 20D and 1Ds mk2 in 2004, it wasn't even functional for focus point selection on the 1Ds mk2, and on the 20D it was as I described- Each of the 8 directions corresponded *exactly* with a single focus point, so you really had to be careful if you were clumsy, otherwise you'd click the wrong focus point. Over and over again, if you're me. Yes, it's nifty to be able to press the center button and go right to the center focus point, but again Nikon has that too and in my opinion it is an easier button to press...
This continued on the 5-series, both still using a similar 9-point system, and the 1Ds mk3 didn't gain "up-down-left-right" focus point control until halfway through it's life, when Canon woke up and added the feature in a firmware upgrade. I specifically remember this because Becker did a test / review of the 1Ds mk3 and actually ended up going back to his 5D mk1 afterwards because he needed that direct focus point control feature. Canon updated the firmware a few months / year later.
In fact, The Canon 7D is the ONLY affordable DSLR to have true "up-down-left-right" focus point control, with focus points arranged neatly in columns and rows. Even then, The "joybutton" is still kinda oriented in a diagonal fashion, and I still kinda prefer the Nikon "joypad". I accidentally bump my focus points 90% less on my Nikon's than when I'm shooting with either the 7-series or 5-series bodies. (I'm left-eyed) In fact to be honest most of the time I just turn the "multi-controller direct" feature off completely, and resort to hitting the dedicated AF point selection button. (AKA the zoom in button)
All in all, my point was to answer the question directed at Nikon users about focus point control. I'm glad that Canon may finally be addressing this drawback in ease-of-use, and I might even switch to shooting on the 5D mk3 for my work, if the studio I work at decides they can afford to spring for a half-dozen of them
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BUT, if the D800 ends up getting the D4 chip (I know, doubtful but I still wouldn't be surprised), and the 5DIII gets 9+6 point AF, my fingers might have to learn Nikonese.
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/02/5d-mark-iiix-information-cr1/
Unfortunately (?) the D800 came in at 36 megapixels as predicted, but fortunately for you the Canon 5D mk3 rumors are looking VERY good. I'm still keeping my doubts, but am hopeful!
You may not have to switch after all. Which is a shame, tough, since those Nikon controls are SO much better! ...For me, that is. :-P
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Yeah, I saw the D800 land, of course. My Canon lenses are quite safe. Who wants to shoot 36mp all day? Not me.
Interesting how there is now this gaping hole in Nikon's lineup that is only filled by the $6000 D4. I think the 5DIII is going to snuggle right into it quite nicely!
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
It's quite possible that they already did, and then some...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2010/8/24/canon120mpsensor
An "accurate" reproduction of a scene and a good photograph are often two different things.
Kind regards
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5D Mark III/X
Below are the specs for the coming 5D replacement, the full name of the camera is currently unknown.
Specs
22mp
61pt AF
100% VF
3.2″ LCD
Dual CF/SD Card Slots
Price: Around $3500 USD
Announcement on February 27 or 28, 2012 (Depending where you are on earth)
Sounds great. Was hoping it would come in under or at 3,000 but expected this number for MSRP.
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No i havent. I dont think i even remember what it is. I just go to my favourites and click on th link for this site.Dont worry he wont be doing this in a hurry again. I think he has learned his lesson. Thanks for your comment
Kind regards
Patrick.
Probably shouldn't count chickens etc.
Personally though, better AF points is much more important than more AF points. In fact,I could live with just one if it worked reliably in very low light.