There was some discussion that CC and CSx were two different code bases and by eliminating the perpetual base, they saved money. Adobe also says the release cycle will be much shorter now.
For myself, I have never subscribed to the upgrade every year model unless it's offering something really worthwhile. The other part of the equation is if you're using the cloud based approach, you don't really get to decide when or if you want to update-it just appears. I can easily see that causing a bunch of customers get royally screwed by an update or a simple spike in the matrix.
I think the real reason they are doing this is to create a more predictable quarter to quarter revenue result.
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No, you don't have update when a new version appears, you have to choose to install the update when you are ready for it from the Adobe Application Manager. So you can defer doing the update until you are ready for it. I've been using the CC since it came out and if I'm in the middle of a project I wait until that project is done and then do the update.
There was some discussion that CC and CSx were two different code bases and by eliminating the perpetual base, they saved money. Adobe also says the release cycle will be much shorter now.
For myself, I have never subscribed to the upgrade every year model unless it's offering something really worthwhile. The other part of the equation is if you're using the cloud based approach, you don't really get to decide when or if you want to update-it just appears. I can easily see that causing a bunch of customers get royally screwed by ab update or a simple spike in the matrix.
What a bad idea for the non-professional. I own Adobe production premium that I update every two years for $300. Now I would have no choice but to pay $1200 (over the same two year period) and not own the software. Four times more than what I am paying now. I need Photoshop, Premiere, Aftereffects and Audition. I don't need Indesign, dreamweaver, flash, or the other programs. I can't believe they are doing this. I will continue using CS6 but will start learning other graphics programs, hell with Adobe.
This is what happens when a single company / group / party / etc grows to completely dominate a segment of the market.
Once the major competitors have been eliminated and the company becomes the defacto standard and necessity within an industry they have a captured group of clients. They now think and act like a monopoly.
The primary emphasis shifts from how does the company produce a better product, meet the needs of their customers and continue to be the leader of that segment of the industry to: we have arrived, we got um. now how do we maximize our profit? What is the easiest most profitable way to raise prices and do business?
At this point the company knows everything, any dissenting internal voices find themselves quickly looking for new employment. External dissent is recognized only as a minor blip on the radar.
Many within the company will believe that this new business model is better for their customers and once forced into complying with the new terms customers will come to love it. The customers who abandon ship are insignificant.
The next phase is critical, If they underestimate the number of those who abandon ship, they may need to reevaluate their decision and offer alternatives.
Holding the course will open the doors to the once second string competitors with a real opportunity to grab up not only those that left the fold but also those that felt they were browbeat into staying.
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I just spent an hour and a half trying to obtain an email address to anyone in senior management to send an email to voicing my opinion and to invite them to read the comments here.
Low and behold you can't get that information. I actually couldn't find customer support (I know it exists somewhere) but all the people I talked to could only provide some general dept email address. I wonder if senior management even knows there is discontent over the new business model, or if they care.
In addition to the above this should stop any clear thinking person from signing up for any service or product with these terms.
Has anyone read the terms and conditions of CC. Onerous isn't the word.
Examples:
"Adobe may modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Services or Materials, or any portion thereof, with or without notice. You agree that Adobe shall not be liable to you or anyone else if we do so."
"You agree that any claim or dispute you may have against Adobe must be resolved by a court located in Santa Clara County, California, United States of America"
"You agree that Adobe may display advertisements adjacent to Your Content, and you agree that you are not entitled to any compensation."
"You agree to receive updates (and permit Adobe to deliver these to you with or without your knowledge) as part of your use of the Services."
"Adobe may require you to create a unique URL, such as your_name_here.adobe.com. Adobe may permit another User to use the unique URL previously selected by you."
Welcome to the future.....
No, you don't have update when a new version appears, you have to choose to install the update when you are ready for it from the Adobe Application Manager. So you can defer doing the update until you are ready for it. I've been using the CC since it came out and if I'm in the middle of a project I wait until that project is done and then do the update.
From Sam's post regarding the terms and conditions:
"You agree to receive updates (and permit Adobe to deliver these to you with or without your knowledge) as part of your use of the Services."
Which means you may not get to choose.
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In nutshell if you are a photographer and use just Photoshop and Lightroom it's going to cost you more than the current pricing structure. If you are using a number of the Creative Cloud apps, which is the case for a lot of users, the cost isn't going to be much different, and may well be less. But the Creative Cloud is more convenient, and they have a work group that lets the license float between users (no much use to solo 'togs though) which can be a real win for some places.
Adobe has said that they are looking to make a photographers package that is priced less than the CC.
As far a positive comments, Adobe started with 500,000 positive comments... all those people who are paying for the Creative Cloud right now. Actually on the Adobe blogs most of the comments are negative but the are a some positive ones. But if you are already signed up with the Creative Cloud why would you take the time to comment?
I think Adobe will make more money on the CC license than they were or could on the perpetual one for a bunch of reasons, not just the higher cost. But even though their stock has been rising in the last few years it's only slightly above where it was 5 years ago. I think Adobe needs to find a way to make more money and this may be it.
This may be a big opening for competitors to take away Adobe's business. But that opening has existed almost ever since Adobe has been in business. They have been the "high-priced" alternative for graphics/publishing tools since they stated. Gimp has always been free and Corel an economical alternative yet it seems most of the 'togs on this list use Photoshop. I don't see why Adobe competitors will do any better going into the future. They may, but I don't think that's obvious.
The thing that competitors will have to deal with is the breadth of coverage of the CC. That not of much interest to individual 'togs in general though. Though I think individual 'togs are significant part of Adobe's business they still are not the major part of it.
And as far a perpetual licenses go, they don't guarantee perpetual utility. OS's change, new displays come out, machines change, drivers change. As long as you are running on the same machine/OS/hardware you will be in good shape, but eventually you upgrade hardware and stuff stops working. Even if you depend on plugins for Ph CS6 utility do you think the plugin vendors are going to keep making both CS6 and CC plugins for long?
So, in a nutshell, the new CC licensing is going to cost the individual 'tog more, quite a bit actually. But for most others the costs will be easily manageable and overall preferable. Assuming Adobe comes out with a 'tog cloud package then will see what the cost impact on 'togs will be. But I'm pretty even the 'tog package will still cost more than it has in the past.
For me CC works out very well. I know for some others it doesn't. I do software development to and in the distant past I had to buy individual tools from Microsoft to do this. When the introduced MSDN, a subscription based tool kit it really simplified things. The only thing that would make MSDN better would be if they did an annual commitment with monthly payments like Adobe does. So I think Adobe is moving in the right direction and will be better able to keep enhancing their tools than the would with perpetual licensing.
So is it fair to say it is the right time to upgrade to Photoshop CS 6? Since it is the last of its kind? - perhaps ensuring yourself against the madness for the next 3-4 years?
Which brings up another question...
I know you can't "sell" your old versions of CS5 (or so I am led to believe), but could you say, give them away and charge "shipping and handling"? After all, all the way back to CS4 is pretty darn solid for most I should think.
Funny thing is that it never occurred to me to try to game the system until Adobe showed us the way. I tend to agree with a comment over at DP Review that said something to the effect of it might be time for "Anonymous" to show Adobe what it is to be a bully.
For me CC works out very well. I know for some others it doesn't. I do software development to and in the distant past I had to buy individual tools from Microsoft to do this. When the introduced MSDN, a subscription based tool kit it really simplified things. The only thing that would make MSDN better would be if they did an annual commitment with monthly payments like Adobe does.
I'm not sure how it works now, but it used to be that if you canceled an MSDN subscription, you still had access to all the tools you got while you were a subscriber. So if a bug in your program surfaced years after you stopped subscribing, you could still use the original development environment to fix it. This is the part of Adobe's scheme that I object to most--stop subscribing and you're left high and dry.
As for the rest, well we all know what kind of people we are and what kind of corporation Adobe is and are just dickering about the price.
That's still the case, assuming you had downloaded the tools. But after 2 or 3 years the tools are hardly useful anymore if you are doing production work. You would also lose access the latest versions of the OS and Servers making it pretty much impossible to do testing too. So in practice you pretty much have to keep you MSDN sub going if you are working on products.
So is it fair to say it is the right time to upgrade to Photoshop CS 6? Since it is the last of its kind? - perhaps ensuring yourself against the madness for the next 3-4 years?
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Since Adobe has indicated that CS6 is the last of the "perpetual" licensed software (of its kind and in their company), if you wish a perpetual license version of "any" of the CSx series of Adobe software, then it makes some sense to purchase CS6 now.
There is, of course, no insurance against madness.
I know you can't "sell" your old versions of CS5 (or so I am led to believe), but could you say, give them away and charge "shipping and handling"? After all, all the way back to CS4 is pretty darn solid for most I should think.
Funny thing is that it never occurred to me to try to game the system until Adobe showed us the way. I tend to agree with a comment over at DP Review that said something to the effect of it might be time for "Anonymous" to show Adobe what it is to be a bully.
Selling software disks of licensed software generally makes little sense, unless you are migrating away from that software for some reason.
The software has little value unless you also provide the necessary "license" to run the software. While some software does allow you to run the software without being registered and activated, I don't believe that Adobe software has allowed this for some time.
With Adobe, you typically register the software to yourself (or a company/business), and that process licenses the software to you and activates the software. In the case of a perpetual license, the activation allows perpetual use of that software through your life.
You "may" legally sell your Adobe software and license, but to do so severs your license and any support or upgrade path for yourself. (You would need to purchase another license in order to continue using the same software.) I'm not actually sure about the impact of migrating from perpetual to cloud licensing, so you may want to ask Adobe for their official stance in that case.
A while back I got a Lightroom 4/CS6 bundle for around half the retail price of CS6. I had been wanting Photoshop for a while, and I finally got it. I have been using Photoshop Elements for years, upgrading that every three iterations or so. I am a hobbyist, but I was looking forward to expanding my post-processing skills with these two advanced programs. $350 or so for two programs for which I could then qualify for the upgrade price every few iterations seemed like a really good deal. Not anymore. there is no way I will be paying for a subscription for these programs for the small amount I will be using them. I haven't opened CS6 yet. Maybe I should sell it and stick with PSE--or switch to one of the non-Adobe options.
I'm a big Lightroom user and was happy to hear that it will remain stand-a-lone for the time being..... I do have CS6 but don't use it real heavily at all. My primary uses for photoshop are panorama merges, healing brush, and every so often some actions/preset items. 2 of those 3 I can do in other free or paid software options but the actions i can't. But at least they will continue to work with the current version, and if the tools I use in photoshop now are good enough for my uses, I don't see any reason to upgrade until a huge can't live without feature is introduced. So for me, I'm another in the camp of the subscription is not worth it.
I have OnOne's photo suite and it does most of the layer stuff and healing stuff that I need, I've just gotten used to using photoshop for it. Perhaps I'll get better acquainted with using this software more efficiently.
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For my fellow photographers and Media personnel who use Adobe PS. Here is a conversation that I just had with their Sales Department in regards to Adobe CC. You will not be able to update your stand- alone software beyond CS6. You will be forced to use the CC if you would like to be able to use the new features: Is a matter of fact they refused to answer my last question and disconnected from the chat line. Please share as much as possible. Consider the cost of the subscription over a period of three years in comparison to the purchase price of the stand alone. EX: PS CS6 Extended is about $800.00 and you own it. Under CC the cost is about $49.00/monthly. If you subscribed for three years you would have paid about $2, 400.00 for its usage. Please share as much as possible
One moment please while we route your chat to a representative.
Thank you for contacting Adobe Sales. My name is Preston. How may I help you today?
Preston: Hi, may I have your first name please?
you: Will I be able to purchase adobe PS Extended edition stand-alone once the CS7 comes out. I do not want the creative Cloud
you: I like to have the ability to work without being connected to the internet when I am in an isolated location
you: Reynaldo
Preston: Hello Reynaldo
Preston: Greetings!
Preston: I'd be glad to help you with that information.
you: Will I be able to purchase adobe PS Extended edition stand alone once the CS7 comes out. I do not want the creative Cloud
Preston: Reynaldo, since we have the CC version now, there is will be no version of CS7.
Preston: All the CS6 will be replaced by CC.
Preston: With Creative Cloud, You don’t have to be connected to the internet all the time. Since the applications are directly downloaded to your system you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.
you: so what about the new PS Extended edition
Preston: All the new versions will be added to the Creative Cloud.
you: but i will never own the software and paying $49.00 a month is quite expensive especially if you never own the software. If I used the software for 4 years, I would have paid more for the CC usage than out right purchasing the software
you: you are telling me that i will not be able to purchase any stand-alone adobe software
you: are you still there?
Preston: You can purchase the stand alone software; we have Photoshop CS6 Extended available as the download version.
you: So you are not making any more stand-alone updates? I have the CS6 master collection
you: the adobe CS6 Photoshop extended is about $800 plus. If i subscribed to CC just for PS extended for 3 years I would have paid about $2,400.00
Preston: Well, in that case you can purchase the Photoshop CC single app which will cost you just $19.99 per month for the annual plan.
Preston: And since you own the CS6, I can get you Creative Cloud for just $19.99 per month.
Preston: With a Creative Cloud Membership, you’re always current at no extra charge because you get access to the latest features as soon as they come out as you don't have to upgrade.
you: I own the Master collection
Preston: Well, in that case you can upgrade to Creative Cloud for just $19.99 per month where you can install both the Master Collection CS6 and Cloud.
you: what about the new features just added to PS Extended like the ability to bring an out of focus object back into focus and camera RAW 80. Will I be able to upgrade my Current CS6 to the new features?
Preston: Yes, if you upgrade to Creative Cloud then you will have access to all the new features when Adobe releases.
you: My stand alone Master Suite?
Preston: You need to upgrade to Cloud to get all the new features.
Preston: We don't have the option to add new features to the stand alone products.
you: So you are telling me that I cannot upgrade my stand alone current Version of Master Collection CS6 with the new features?
Preston: You can upgrade to Creative Cloud however we don't have the option to upgrade to stand alone.
you: I've only had the software for less than 2 years and essentially you are forcing customers to pay more for the software that they just purchased and voiding your promise for free upgrades correct?
Preston: I understand your concern however CS6 is the latest version, we don't have the option to upgrade since, it will be only through CC now.
you: but you updated to Cameraw 8.0 and added new updates features to PS CS6. So I am stuck with not being able to update my software? And it will stay as is without any software updates as of this date?
Ok, so I guess I'm a little slow. Perhaps someone could clear this up for me. Adobe has essentially said that CC and the stand alone product cycles are separate and therefore are creating twice the work and that it isn't sustainable, hence their decision to drop the stand alone product and move forward with the CC. But since the CC IS NOT an online product where their machines do the processing and only output the result, but rather IS a software suite that is downloaded to your machine and is only periodically validated by their servers...
How is that more work, or duel product cycles? You just pick a date once a year or whenever you feel is right and sell it as a stand alone product that has whatever features the CC had up to that point. You have to download the CC and periodic updates anyway. Just download the "stand alone product" like most of us do now. You can still stop selling physical media, distribute the product via adobe.com, and avoid all of the associated costs of physical media. The product is already developed and waiting for new customers to subscribe to it and download it anyway.
If you feel that having every little new feature immediately is so important and worth the price bump, then go ahead and subscribe, if not then just wait until the following year or two or three or in some cases four when they actually release a meaningful upgrade.
So either I'm missing some rather large portion of what is going on here, or this is just another thinly veiled, poorly crafted lie designed for the purpose of increasing revenue and reducing the need to innovate.
I was at the Adobe Summit and saw how Creative Cloud services will integrate with an array of on-line tools and services. They demoed a kind of "dashboard" view. I have to say it was pretty cool. No, it was REALLY cool. If you work in the commercial/editorial/advertising sectors this is going to be awesome. If you shoot pictures of families on the beach it might not make a lot of sense.
One full-time ad photog I talked to said: "Finally, maybe Photoshop will start becoming a pro tool again." Hinting that he thought this strategy isn't aimed at the mass market. Perhaps focusing on the mass market has been hurting tool development from a pro perspective. He seemed to like the idea of it becoming "exclusive" again.
The people I've heard rave about this decision tend to be people who spend like... all day... in Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, etc. They tend to work in big buildings for big companies, or in small New York lofts for trendy agencies. The people I've talked to who are upset tend to be people who use Photoshop every now and then, and only use 1% of its capabilities when they do. There are exceptions. I'm just speaking from my personal experience from a general perspective.
Lightroom is aimed at the non-pro and less serious creative pro. That strategy is unlikely to change, in my opinion. Lr will still be the domain of portrait peeps, family shooters, weekend 'togs, and amateurs like me. Maybe we will see some more "photoshop-like" functionality hit Lr as Ps becomes a kind of "pro-only" tool. As well as more consumer-focused features.
Just wondering if anyone had considered that idea as a strategy. In my opinion, it is a pretty good one.
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Here we go again (sigh). Adobe wants us all to rent, not own, our software. It doesn't make sense for me personally, so I won't be drinking the kool aid, but everyone's mileage varies, I suppose. There will undoubtedly be backlash, so we'll just have to wait to see whether they can impose it or not. One thing of interest I found in the FAQ is that Lightroom will still be available as a standalone product. At least for now....
You never owned your software. You just owned the physical copy you bought and had the privilege of using it.
You just owned the physical copy you bought and had the privilege of using it.
You were granted a perpetual licence to use a copy of the software with which you were provided. Use the software was not a privilege - you paid for the right to do so!
You were granted a perpetual licence to use a copy of the software with which you were provided. Use the software was not a privilege - you paid for the right to do so!
I am aware. But there were limitations to that. But no one OWNED the software.
If the only Adobe product you use is Photoshop then your costs will go up, it's as simple as that. BTW, Photoshop only isn't $49 a month, its $29 a month... but that's still more than you pay with the current license scheme and upgrade every 2 or 3 years. So essentially Adobe has raised prices on Photoshop only users.
However you do not need to be connected to the internet to use CC. You will need to connect at least once every few months to keep your license valid. Adobe has said for those 'tog's who go on extended treks, they can contact Adobe an they will be able to go without an internet connection for an extended period.
Adobe says they are looking at a reduced CC package that will reduce the cost for solo 'togs who mainly use Photoshop.
It's not clear to me, despite its name, that 'togs are the primary users of Photoshop, so it's not clear that Adobe doesn't feel a lot of pressure to come up with something like Photoshop/LR version of CC. But my guess is even if they do it will still be more expensive than the current licensing scheme for mainly Photoshop users.
For me, and I'm a solo act but not a pro 'tog, though some of my work does involve photography, I end up using Photoshop Extended, Premiere Pro, TypeKit, Illustrator, and Acrobat constantly in my work. CC is the best thing since sliced bread.
As far as perpetual licenses that was a bit of an illusion. Hardware upgrades, software upgrades and attractiveness of new features and after a while you end up needing to upgrade your version anyhow.
It's true for Photoshop only customers Adobe may have opened a gaping hole for competitors to fill, but it remains to be seen if there will be any to fill it.
I just got an email from an Adobe-sponsored market research company asking me to participate in a survey concerning CC. Normally, I ignore all surveys, but (after verifying that it was legitimate) this time I decided to let them know what I thought. I encourage you all to do the same.
I just got an email from an Adobe-sponsored market research company asking me to participate in a survey concerning CC. Normally, I ignore all surveys, but (after verifying that it was legitimate) this time I decided to let them know what I thought. I encourage you all to do the same.
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For myself, I have never subscribed to the upgrade every year model unless it's offering something really worthwhile. The other part of the equation is if you're using the cloud based approach, you don't really get to decide when or if you want to update-it just appears. I can easily see that causing a bunch of customers get royally screwed by an update or a simple spike in the matrix.
I think the real reason they are doing this is to create a more predictable quarter to quarter revenue result.
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In addition to the above this should stop any clear thinking person from signing up for any service or product with these terms.
Has anyone read the terms and conditions of CC. Onerous isn't the word.
Examples:
"Adobe may modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Services or Materials, or any portion thereof, with or without notice. You agree that Adobe shall not be liable to you or anyone else if we do so."
"You agree that any claim or dispute you may have against Adobe must be resolved by a court located in Santa Clara County, California, United States of America"
"You agree that Adobe may display advertisements adjacent to Your Content, and you agree that you are not entitled to any compensation."
"You agree to receive updates (and permit Adobe to deliver these to you with or without your knowledge) as part of your use of the Services."
"Adobe may require you to create a unique URL, such as your_name_here.adobe.com. Adobe may permit another User to use the unique URL previously selected by you."
Welcome to the future.....
I'm getting the impression that there's going to be a huge opportunity for developers of plugins for the existing versions of Photoshop.
From Sam's post regarding the terms and conditions:
Which means you may not get to choose.
They are Adobe. They don't think. Who is ruining (running) the company?
Adobe has said that they are looking to make a photographers package that is priced less than the CC.
As far a positive comments, Adobe started with 500,000 positive comments... all those people who are paying for the Creative Cloud right now. Actually on the Adobe blogs most of the comments are negative but the are a some positive ones. But if you are already signed up with the Creative Cloud why would you take the time to comment?
I think Adobe will make more money on the CC license than they were or could on the perpetual one for a bunch of reasons, not just the higher cost. But even though their stock has been rising in the last few years it's only slightly above where it was 5 years ago. I think Adobe needs to find a way to make more money and this may be it.
This may be a big opening for competitors to take away Adobe's business. But that opening has existed almost ever since Adobe has been in business. They have been the "high-priced" alternative for graphics/publishing tools since they stated. Gimp has always been free and Corel an economical alternative yet it seems most of the 'togs on this list use Photoshop. I don't see why Adobe competitors will do any better going into the future. They may, but I don't think that's obvious.
The thing that competitors will have to deal with is the breadth of coverage of the CC. That not of much interest to individual 'togs in general though. Though I think individual 'togs are significant part of Adobe's business they still are not the major part of it.
And as far a perpetual licenses go, they don't guarantee perpetual utility. OS's change, new displays come out, machines change, drivers change. As long as you are running on the same machine/OS/hardware you will be in good shape, but eventually you upgrade hardware and stuff stops working. Even if you depend on plugins for Ph CS6 utility do you think the plugin vendors are going to keep making both CS6 and CC plugins for long?
So, in a nutshell, the new CC licensing is going to cost the individual 'tog more, quite a bit actually. But for most others the costs will be easily manageable and overall preferable. Assuming Adobe comes out with a 'tog cloud package then will see what the cost impact on 'togs will be. But I'm pretty even the 'tog package will still cost more than it has in the past.
For me CC works out very well. I know for some others it doesn't. I do software development to and in the distant past I had to buy individual tools from Microsoft to do this. When the introduced MSDN, a subscription based tool kit it really simplified things. The only thing that would make MSDN better would be if they did an annual commitment with monthly payments like Adobe does. So I think Adobe is moving in the right direction and will be better able to keep enhancing their tools than the would with perpetual licensing.
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Which brings up another question...
I know you can't "sell" your old versions of CS5 (or so I am led to believe), but could you say, give them away and charge "shipping and handling"? After all, all the way back to CS4 is pretty darn solid for most I should think.
Funny thing is that it never occurred to me to try to game the system until Adobe showed us the way. I tend to agree with a comment over at DP Review that said something to the effect of it might be time for "Anonymous" to show Adobe what it is to be a bully.
As for the rest, well we all know what kind of people we are and what kind of corporation Adobe is and are just dickering about the price.
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Since Adobe has indicated that CS6 is the last of the "perpetual" licensed software (of its kind and in their company), if you wish a perpetual license version of "any" of the CSx series of Adobe software, then it makes some sense to purchase CS6 now.
There is, of course, no insurance against madness.
Selling software disks of licensed software generally makes little sense, unless you are migrating away from that software for some reason.
The software has little value unless you also provide the necessary "license" to run the software. While some software does allow you to run the software without being registered and activated, I don't believe that Adobe software has allowed this for some time.
With Adobe, you typically register the software to yourself (or a company/business), and that process licenses the software to you and activates the software. In the case of a perpetual license, the activation allows perpetual use of that software through your life.
You "may" legally sell your Adobe software and license, but to do so severs your license and any support or upgrade path for yourself. (You would need to purchase another license in order to continue using the same software.) I'm not actually sure about the impact of migrating from perpetual to cloud licensing, so you may want to ask Adobe for their official stance in that case.
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I have OnOne's photo suite and it does most of the layer stuff and healing stuff that I need, I've just gotten used to using photoshop for it. Perhaps I'll get better acquainted with using this software more efficiently.
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For my fellow photographers and Media personnel who use Adobe PS. Here is a conversation that I just had with their Sales Department in regards to Adobe CC. You will not be able to update your stand- alone software beyond CS6. You will be forced to use the CC if you would like to be able to use the new features: Is a matter of fact they refused to answer my last question and disconnected from the chat line. Please share as much as possible. Consider the cost of the subscription over a period of three years in comparison to the purchase price of the stand alone. EX: PS CS6 Extended is about $800.00 and you own it. Under CC the cost is about $49.00/monthly. If you subscribed for three years you would have paid about $2, 400.00 for its usage. Please share as much as possible
One moment please while we route your chat to a representative.
Thank you for contacting Adobe Sales. My name is Preston. How may I help you today?
Preston: Hi, may I have your first name please?
you: Will I be able to purchase adobe PS Extended edition stand-alone once the CS7 comes out. I do not want the creative Cloud
you: I like to have the ability to work without being connected to the internet when I am in an isolated location
you: Reynaldo
Preston: Hello Reynaldo
Preston: Greetings!
Preston: I'd be glad to help you with that information.
you: Will I be able to purchase adobe PS Extended edition stand alone once the CS7 comes out. I do not want the creative Cloud
Preston: Reynaldo, since we have the CC version now, there is will be no version of CS7.
Preston: All the CS6 will be replaced by CC.
Preston: With Creative Cloud, You don’t have to be connected to the internet all the time. Since the applications are directly downloaded to your system you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.
you: so what about the new PS Extended edition
Preston: All the new versions will be added to the Creative Cloud.
you: but i will never own the software and paying $49.00 a month is quite expensive especially if you never own the software. If I used the software for 4 years, I would have paid more for the CC usage than out right purchasing the software
you: you are telling me that i will not be able to purchase any stand-alone adobe software
you: are you still there?
Preston: You can purchase the stand alone software; we have Photoshop CS6 Extended available as the download version.
you: So you are not making any more stand-alone updates? I have the CS6 master collection
you: the adobe CS6 Photoshop extended is about $800 plus. If i subscribed to CC just for PS extended for 3 years I would have paid about $2,400.00
Preston: Well, in that case you can purchase the Photoshop CC single app which will cost you just $19.99 per month for the annual plan.
Preston: And since you own the CS6, I can get you Creative Cloud for just $19.99 per month.
Preston: With a Creative Cloud Membership, you’re always current at no extra charge because you get access to the latest features as soon as they come out as you don't have to upgrade.
you: I own the Master collection
Preston: Well, in that case you can upgrade to Creative Cloud for just $19.99 per month where you can install both the Master Collection CS6 and Cloud.
you: what about the new features just added to PS Extended like the ability to bring an out of focus object back into focus and camera RAW 80. Will I be able to upgrade my Current CS6 to the new features?
Preston: Yes, if you upgrade to Creative Cloud then you will have access to all the new features when Adobe releases.
you: My stand alone Master Suite?
Preston: You need to upgrade to Cloud to get all the new features.
Preston: We don't have the option to add new features to the stand alone products.
you: So you are telling me that I cannot upgrade my stand alone current Version of Master Collection CS6 with the new features?
Preston: You can upgrade to Creative Cloud however we don't have the option to upgrade to stand alone.
you: I've only had the software for less than 2 years and essentially you are forcing customers to pay more for the software that they just purchased and voiding your promise for free upgrades correct?
Preston: I understand your concern however CS6 is the latest version, we don't have the option to upgrade since, it will be only through CC now.
you: but you updated to Cameraw 8.0 and added new updates features to PS CS6. So I am stuck with not being able to update my software? And it will stay as is without any software updates as of this date?
How is that more work, or duel product cycles? You just pick a date once a year or whenever you feel is right and sell it as a stand alone product that has whatever features the CC had up to that point. You have to download the CC and periodic updates anyway. Just download the "stand alone product" like most of us do now. You can still stop selling physical media, distribute the product via adobe.com, and avoid all of the associated costs of physical media. The product is already developed and waiting for new customers to subscribe to it and download it anyway.
If you feel that having every little new feature immediately is so important and worth the price bump, then go ahead and subscribe, if not then just wait until the following year or two or three or in some cases four when they actually release a meaningful upgrade.
So either I'm missing some rather large portion of what is going on here, or this is just another thinly veiled, poorly crafted lie designed for the purpose of increasing revenue and reducing the need to innovate.
Or maybe I'm totally wrong?
One full-time ad photog I talked to said: "Finally, maybe Photoshop will start becoming a pro tool again." Hinting that he thought this strategy isn't aimed at the mass market. Perhaps focusing on the mass market has been hurting tool development from a pro perspective. He seemed to like the idea of it becoming "exclusive" again.
The people I've heard rave about this decision tend to be people who spend like... all day... in Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, etc. They tend to work in big buildings for big companies, or in small New York lofts for trendy agencies. The people I've talked to who are upset tend to be people who use Photoshop every now and then, and only use 1% of its capabilities when they do. There are exceptions. I'm just speaking from my personal experience from a general perspective.
Lightroom is aimed at the non-pro and less serious creative pro. That strategy is unlikely to change, in my opinion. Lr will still be the domain of portrait peeps, family shooters, weekend 'togs, and amateurs like me.
Just wondering if anyone had considered that idea as a strategy. In my opinion, it is a pretty good one.
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You never owned your software. You just owned the physical copy you bought and had the privilege of using it.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said.
However you do not need to be connected to the internet to use CC. You will need to connect at least once every few months to keep your license valid. Adobe has said for those 'tog's who go on extended treks, they can contact Adobe an they will be able to go without an internet connection for an extended period.
Adobe says they are looking at a reduced CC package that will reduce the cost for solo 'togs who mainly use Photoshop.
It's not clear to me, despite its name, that 'togs are the primary users of Photoshop, so it's not clear that Adobe doesn't feel a lot of pressure to come up with something like Photoshop/LR version of CC. But my guess is even if they do it will still be more expensive than the current licensing scheme for mainly Photoshop users.
For me, and I'm a solo act but not a pro 'tog, though some of my work does involve photography, I end up using Photoshop Extended, Premiere Pro, TypeKit, Illustrator, and Acrobat constantly in my work. CC is the best thing since sliced bread.
As far as perpetual licenses that was a bit of an illusion. Hardware upgrades, software upgrades and attractiveness of new features and after a while you end up needing to upgrade your version anyhow.
It's true for Photoshop only customers Adobe may have opened a gaping hole for competitors to fill, but it remains to be seen if there will be any to fill it.
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I will, if I get one