SEVEN PAGES!? I read SEVEN pages, and there are no PICTURES??? Oh my!
Actually on the two days we wanted to do the shoot-out the weather sucked.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Nope those were Andy's shots. A few were taken with Ian's 500mm but the shoot-off was supposed to be between Ian and myself. On the days we were supposed to shoot duirng the weekend but the weather was lousy.
We finally shot for a few hours on Tuesday when there was a break in the weather but no formal shoot-off was done.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Could there be an "informal" shoot-off, where different parties are encouraged to use "any" lens in the 500mm arsenal, and submit for DGrin viewer approval? (I would suggest not a contest, but something which encourages use over a long period of time and use.)
I just hate to let this go because I can see a tremendous interest in this thread, which could mean a great interest in this type of photography.
1) this was mostly a gag - and partly an excuse to go shoot boids with my good friends Ian and Harry, and their nice long glass
2) there's NO winner. Yes, the weather was bad, mostly. Both systems performed flawlessly on the outings we had. Nobody could sit and say that either 500mm lens is better than the other, that's just silly.
3) we ate like kings :food
4) my conclusion on the whole 500mm thing: Unless you are very wealthy, and will be shooting birds as your primary gig, the 500mms are unnecessary for most folks. My preferred weapon is a hand-holdable 400mm f/5.6, with the Tamron 1.4x converter as needed (can still autofocus on a 20d body). I'm sure there's an equiv on the Nikon side.
Why? The 500s require tripod and Wimberly-Gimberly hoo-hah (super stuff, smooth as buttah, very needed with these 500mms). Tripod? Better have a strong and light Gitzo CF or equivalent. The pair of items? $1100-ish +/-. The glass? $6000, $7000 depending.
The 400mm 5.6 handholdable solution allows for length, sharpness, freedom of handholdability (for all day if need be). This *can* mean the difference between getting the shot and not getting it. Image quality? Darn good - and in many cases rivaling the big guns. Of course, it sucks eggs at f/2.8
But, if you have the dough, the time, energy, and your shooting venues allow for say, driving from spot to spot, or setting up in one area for a long time, then the big glass and associated hazzerie (Tripod, Wimberly), by all means enjoy the best of the bestest!
1) this was mostly a gag - and partly an excuse to go shoot boids with my good friends Ian and Harry, and their nice long glass
2) there's NO winner. Yes, the weather was bad, mostly. Both systems performed flawlessly on the outings we had. Nobody could sit and say that either 500mm lens is better than the other, that's just silly.
3) we ate like kings :food
4) my conclusion on the whole 500mm thing: Unless you are very wealthy, and will be shooting birds as your primary gig, the 500mms are unnecessary for most folks. My preferred weapon is a hand-holdable 400mm f/5.6, with the Tamron 1.4x converter as needed (can still autofocus on a 20d body). I'm sure there's an equiv on the Nikon side.
Why? The 500s require tripod and Wimberly-Gimberly hoo-hah (super stuff, smooth as buttah, very needed with these 500mms). Tripod? Better have a strong and light Gitzo CF or equivalent. The pair of items? $1100-ish +/-. The glass? $6000, $7000 depending.
The 400mm 5.6 handholdable solution allows for length, sharpness, freedom of handholdability (for all day if need be). This *can* mean the difference between getting the shot and not getting it. Image quality? Darn good - and in many cases rivaling the big guns. Of course, it sucks eggs at f/2.8
But, if you have the dough, the time, energy, and your shooting venues allow for say, driving from spot to spot, or setting up in one area for a long time, then the big glass and associated hazzerie (Tripod, Wimberly), by all means enjoy the best of the bestest!
So am I right in thinking that your fndings after this comprehensive test is that the Canon was by far the better of the two?
Bod.
"The important thing is to just take the picture with the lens you have when the picture happens." Jerry Lodriguss - Sports Photographer
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Actually on the two days we wanted to do the shoot-out the weather sucked.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
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lets see the pics
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Seems as though I read where Andy was too busy searching for the not so elusive "Starbucks". Judging from this shot I think he found it.
"Tis better keep your mouth shut and be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
That is a great shot of Andy, I think he should use it for an Avatar!
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Nope those were Andy's shots. A few were taken with Ian's 500mm but the shoot-off was supposed to be between Ian and myself. On the days we were supposed to shoot duirng the weekend but the weather was lousy.
We finally shot for a few hours on Tuesday when there was a break in the weather but no formal shoot-off was done.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Could there be an "informal" shoot-off, where different parties are encouraged to use "any" lens in the 500mm arsenal, and submit for DGrin viewer approval? (I would suggest not a contest, but something which encourages use over a long period of time and use.)
I just hate to let this go because I can see a tremendous interest in this thread, which could mean a great interest in this type of photography.
Thanks,
ziggy53
Moderator of the Cameras and Accessories forums
1) this was mostly a gag - and partly an excuse to go shoot boids with my good friends Ian and Harry, and their nice long glass
2) there's NO winner. Yes, the weather was bad, mostly. Both systems performed flawlessly on the outings we had. Nobody could sit and say that either 500mm lens is better than the other, that's just silly.
3) we ate like kings :food
4) my conclusion on the whole 500mm thing: Unless you are very wealthy, and will be shooting birds as your primary gig, the 500mms are unnecessary for most folks. My preferred weapon is a hand-holdable 400mm f/5.6, with the Tamron 1.4x converter as needed (can still autofocus on a 20d body). I'm sure there's an equiv on the Nikon side.
Why? The 500s require tripod and Wimberly-Gimberly hoo-hah (super stuff, smooth as buttah, very needed with these 500mms). Tripod? Better have a strong and light Gitzo CF or equivalent. The pair of items? $1100-ish +/-. The glass? $6000, $7000 depending.
The 400mm 5.6 handholdable solution allows for length, sharpness, freedom of handholdability (for all day if need be). This *can* mean the difference between getting the shot and not getting it. Image quality? Darn good - and in many cases rivaling the big guns. Of course, it sucks eggs at f/2.8
But, if you have the dough, the time, energy, and your shooting venues allow for say, driving from spot to spot, or setting up in one area for a long time, then the big glass and associated hazzerie (Tripod, Wimberly), by all means enjoy the best of the bestest!
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So am I right in thinking that your fndings after this comprehensive test is that the Canon was by far the better of the two?
Bod.
Jerry Lodriguss - Sports Photographer
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