What troubles me most is that the signs are all of the same type and
manufacture. Almost like signing a petition or worse, filling in a form
letter of protest. Myself, I prefer to write my own protest letters.
Good work capturing the event and some of the emotion.
ian
good idea nice observation
Thine is the beauty of light; mine is the song of fire. Thy beauty exalts the heart; my song inspires the soul. Allama Iqbal
Good work there Awais, the photos and QT clip are very revealing of the events. Cultures can be so different, tolerance is not a globally accepted view point, I can't count the number of times my faith has been offended in such a manor, but no violence. Thanks for the window into you culture, it is greatly appreciated
James.
Cultures are different thats why everybody should respects each other's cultures goes to all people of the world
thanks
btw you can also see some other kind of shots of our culture in my galleries
Thine is the beauty of light; mine is the song of fire. Thy beauty exalts the heart; my song inspires the soul. Allama Iqbal
Cultures are different thats why everybody should respects each other's cultures goes to all people of the world
thanks
btw you can also see some other kind of shots of our culture in my galleries
I saw some shots in your galleries of the Shah Faisal mosque in Islamabad. Wow! Beautiful building! And beautiful shots!
I'm really, really tired of this whole cartoon fiasco. Sorry, I know it offended some in the Islam world, but their reaction is unjustified. You don't call for the death of people just because they offended you. Read that sentence again. One more time.
I found this article, written by Amir Taheri, rather enlightening:
State run media in that part of the world run political cartoons that offend Jews, Christians and the West all the time. If you can't stand the heat, don't go into the kitchen.
Interesting shots and a good view into protest in Pakistan. It's just a shame it shows your fellow countrymen acting so badly.
Interesting. Over 20,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the US-Great Britain intervention in Iraq and these folks are "acting badly" because they are demonstrating in the street.
Not something we tend to do over here, beheading people
We have more efficient and "civilized" ways of killing. I'm sure that they will catch up to our technology soon enough and will become models of civilization like our respective countries.
I don't think these are good examples of PJ and there's ample room to discuss the photographic values of them. I do have trouble with our looking down at the photos' subjects as if our cultures have shown themselves superior. If we all share one thing in common that would be our shared willingness to resort to violence.
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Salam Bodwick
You can visit Pakistan and if you stood with me no one will dare to harm you.Just fight back to violent protesters and i am good at it
Headless dummy ? thats becouse Islam do not allow sculptures or dummies this needs long explaination
If movie of beheading a Muslim man killing them is on air no one will be to much aggresive.
Thanks
Interesting. Over 20,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the US-Great Britain intervention in Iraq and these folks are "acting badly" because they are demonstrating in the street.
How many Iraqi civilians did Hussein kill? Or do we just conveniently forget that?
And please, Harry. Demonstrating is one thing. Calling for the killing of people for offending your religion in the very same way their press offends other religions is not only uncalled for, its called hypocrisy.
Salam Bodwick
You can visit Pakistan and if you stood with me no one will dare to harm you.Just fight back to violent protesters and i am good at it
Headless dummy ? thats becouse Islam do not allow sculptures or dummies this needs long explaination
If movie of beheading a Muslim man killing them is on air no one will be to much aggresive.
Thanks
I might just take you up on that offer one day. It would have to involve motorcycles and travelling a great distance though.
So with luck we will not see any more dummies/effigies with the head of G Bush or whoever has upset the masses at any time in the future. There seems to be quite a few headed burning effigies in Pakistan available on the net.
Good to see times have changed since 2002 when "A gold coin was offered as the prize for the best of the effigies that were paraded and then burnt at the rally, and there were some innovative slogans in English such as "Bush is Dracula". BBC
I know all about the no scupture rule. An explanation of 'just keep it simple' can explain this easily enough for most to understand. Full explanation available via Google.
I've followed the protests and take a keen interest in World affairs. Are you being honest when you say the reason for the headless effigies is for religious reasons? I think not.
I've PM'd you in the past and thanked you for your views and pics of your Country.
I'm not having a go but in these difficult times when you use the heading "People whe try to degraded our Prophet will burn in hell and this world will be made hell for them Amen" Then people respond in different ways. Honest photos with either honest supporting comment or no comment at all.
Bod.
"The important thing is to just take the picture with the lens you have when the picture happens." Jerry Lodriguss - Sports Photographer
Interesting. Over 20,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the US-Great Britain intervention in Iraq and these folks are "acting badly" because they are demonstrating in the street.
We have more efficient and "civilized" ways of killing. I'm sure that they will catch up to our technology soon enough and will become models of civilization like our respective countries.
I don't think these are good examples of PJ and there's ample room to discuss the photographic values of them. I do have trouble with our looking down at the photos' subjects as if our cultures have shown themselves superior. If we all share one thing in common that would be our shared willingness to resort to violence.
What does Iraq have to do with a demo over cartoon publication? I was glad to see Saddam taken down and think that given time Iraq will become a great country once more.
Plenty demo's about the war to shoot & comment on, if you go out and take some pic's I'll let you know how civilised I think either the police or protesters appear.
How long do you think it would have taken Afganistan to 'Catch up' with the west if it had been left to itself?
Bod.
"The important thing is to just take the picture with the lens you have when the picture happens." Jerry Lodriguss - Sports Photographer
How many Iraqi civilians did Hussein kill? Or do we just conveniently forget that?
He was in power a lot longer than we have. If he has a lead in this "contest" I'm sure we will top him if we are given sufficient time.
And please, Harry. Demonstrating is one thing. Calling for the killing of people for offending your religion in the very same way their press offends other religions is not only uncalled for, its called hypocrisy.
I wasn't agreeing with the protestors merely pointing out that our "culture" isn't "superior" as some of the replies insinuated. As for killing people who offend one's religious beliefs I would point out the bombing of abortion clinics and the murder of doctors in our own country. We are more than willing to resort to violence. Look at the environmental radicals, the animal rights radicals, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Weather Undergound etc, etc, etc.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
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I'm not having a go but in these difficult times when you use the heading "People whe try to degraded our Prophet will burn in hell and this world will be made hell for them Amen" Then people respond in different ways. Honest photos with either honest supporting comment or no comment at all.
Bod.
Bod, I think you and others didn't read that right, I think Awais was simply quoting the protestors, he was not making that himself, he was simply reporting what was being said by the protestors.
What does Iraq have to do with a demo over cartoon publication? I was glad to see Saddam taken down and think that given time Iraq will become a great country once more.
Plenty demo's about the war to shoot & comment on, if you go out and take some pic's I'll let you know how civilised I think either the police or protesters appear.
How long do you think it would have taken Afganistan to 'Catch up' with the west if it had been left to itself?
Bod.
Bod,
You were referring to the folks acting badly. I was pointing out that our own cultures act just as "badly" if not worst.
As for Afghanistan "catching up" they might have less catching up to do if Great Britan, Russia, et al had not invaded them in the past.
I just find it intersting that we are so willing to judge others while not casting such a critical eye on our own (the collective own) histories.
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I wasn't agreeing with the protestors merely pointing out that our "culture" isn't "superior" as some of the replies insinuated. As for killing people who offend one's religious beliefs I would point out the bombing of abortion clinics and the murder of doctors in our own country. We are more than willing to resort to violence. Look at the environmental radicals, the animal rights radicals, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Weather Undergound etc, etc, etc.
So what you are saying is that since we are not perfect we cannot be better. Superior is an adjective of relative terms, not of absolute terms. A stick in the eye is superior to a bullet in the head, even though neither are particularly good.
Given that, yes, our culture is indeed better. I've said it and I mean it. Think what you want Harry. Put whatever politically correct spin you want on it.
A 70's groupo of left-wing lunkheads. They got took their name from a Dylan lyric "you don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing". They attempted to bring about "the revolution" by a series of idiotic bombings and other "revolutionary" activities.
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Protestent's voicePeople whe try to degraded our Prophet will burn in hell and this world will be made hell for them Amen
Maybe you would not have jumped on him so much if it was
Protestor's voice: "People who try to degrade our Prophet will burn in hell and this world will be made hell for them, Amen"
When you read something written by somone whose native language is not the one they are writing in you have to take care to be sure you understand what they are saying.
James.
Please keep the discussion to THESE PHOTOS from Awais. If you want to have a flamefest, our good friend Rutt started a thread for just such discussion.
Bod, I think you and others didn't read that right, I think Awais was simply quoting the protestors, he was not making that himself, he was simply reporting what was being said by the protestors.
James.
It's not clear, is it from one of the signs or just an impression/summary of what was being said. Whatever, it's heading each photo on every page for no good reason that I can think of or see...
"The important thing is to just take the picture with the lens you have when the picture happens." Jerry Lodriguss - Sports Photographer
So what you are saying is that since we are not perfect we cannot be better. Superior is an adjective of relative terms, not of absolute terms. A stick in the eye is superior to a bullet in the head, even though neither are particularly good.
I don't think we are "better". Put us in the same environment as the protestors in the pic and we will act in a similar manner. During my two years in Vietnam I saw priviliged Americans act in qute uncivilized ways once they were freed from the usual cultural restictions placed on them at home. I am not speaking of military operations either. They were in a position of power and surrounded by a culture they felt superior to.
Given that, yes, our culture is indeed better. I've said it and I mean it. Think what you want Harry. Put whatever politically correct spin you want
We just disagree. I have trouble assuming cultural superiority for anyone.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Please keep the discussion to THESE PHOTOS from Awais. If you want to have a flamefest, our good friend Rutt started a thread for just such discussion.
Please keep the discussion to THESE PHOTOS from Awais. If you want to have a flamefest, our good friend Rutt started a thread for just such discussion.
How about we do just that? Harry, what is wrong with them from a PJ angle? I didn't see it.
James.
I would like to see more close-ups of the faces of the folks at the event. I would like to see a few shots showing the scope of it. I think these shots scrape the surface but could have shown more. They are an appetizer that whets your taste buds but don't completely satisfy.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I would like to see more close-ups of the faces of the folks at the event. I would like to see a few shots showing the scope of it. I think these shots scrape the surface but could have shown more. They are an appetizer that whets your taste buds but don't completely satisfy.
But doing so would loose the feel of the surroundings, or are you saying add in some close-ups to what is already there?
But doing so would loose the feel of the surroundings, or are you saying add in some close-ups to what is already there?
James.
The pics by themselves are fine but fail to convey the event. If you are going for PJ want you to capture the mood and the scope of the event. I would like to see some close-ups of the protestors showing their emotions and I would like to see some landscape type shots showing the scope of the demo.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
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I have seen photographers know more about politicians and wars more then photography i am going to one more proteston sunday quite big and may be full of violence today our college building was bombared by rocks and didn't had camera:cry if you have seen video footage of on going violence in ISLAMABAD those students are my city mate who always beat my college students:cry they are just radical from day 1 will see what happened to market and my college tommorow
And wars on Iraq Afghanistan etc have bad impact on people here :uhoh
and that new footage of Iraqi youth torture:uhoh Abughraib:uhoh Guantanamo:uhoh
bann on religious symbols in France etc :uhoh some Mullah elements:uhoh some polititians:uhoh Latest news is that the Denish President when cartoons were published in some meeting of different countries when Muslim leaders asked him for 1/2 hour he used acted in very ironic way :uhoh and peaceful latters to embassadors the answer was also ironic and insulting :uhoh someone said for dialog they should see all people equally they act like gods:uhoh a guy showing signs of torture on his body nose cut off nails pulled out:uhoh Some news of killing kids and inocent people in Palstine etc :uhoh when one person here see all that he thinks west is biggest enemy and now Cartoons what you accept from them "Roses" and every person Jew or Christen or Muslims all has heart which should not be broken in any case it will just grow anger and hate and blood shed stop that everyone And Killing a person who insult Prophet of God who ever (Moses Jesus,Muhammad etc) is justified becouse he has insulted God who have chosen those Prophets among all people of the world(Muslim Believe Moses and Jesus are Prophet not offending any bro here just for knowlege)
And very thanks Harry and others for tips becouse i am going to big protest next sunday dont want to come empty handed
Any special tips i use 3x zoom sony W1 camera
Thine is the beauty of light; mine is the song of fire. Thy beauty exalts the heart; my song inspires the soul. Allama Iqbal
Well said, Harry
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Interesting. Over 20,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the US-Great Britain intervention in Iraq and these folks are "acting badly" because they are demonstrating in the street.
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We have more efficient and "civilized" ways of killing. I'm sure that they will catch up to our technology soon enough and will become models of civilization like our respective countries.
I do have trouble with our looking down at the photos' subjects as if our cultures have shown themselves superior. If we all share one thing in common that would be our shared willingness to resort to violence.
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Cultures are different thats why everybody should respects each other's cultures goes to all people of the world
thanks
btw you can also see some other kind of shots of our culture in my galleries
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Loved the photos, by the way.
I saw some shots in your galleries of the Shah Faisal mosque in Islamabad. Wow! Beautiful building! And beautiful shots!
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in two billion years,
all I can think is:
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I found this article, written by Amir Taheri, rather enlightening:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007934
State run media in that part of the world run political cartoons that offend Jews, Christians and the West all the time. If you can't stand the heat, don't go into the kitchen.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
mmmmmm... now western business are under attack...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/14/pakistan.cartoons.ap/index.html
I'm not too sure about one's safety...
When I hear the earth will melt into the sun,
in two billion years,
all I can think is:
"Will that be on a Monday?"
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And please, Harry. Demonstrating is one thing. Calling for the killing of people for offending your religion in the very same way their press offends other religions is not only uncalled for, its called hypocrisy.
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How about we do just that? Harry, what is wrong with them from a PJ angle? I didn't see it.
James.
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I might just take you up on that offer one day. It would have to involve motorcycles and travelling a great distance though.
So with luck we will not see any more dummies/effigies with the head of G Bush or whoever has upset the masses at any time in the future. There seems to be quite a few headed burning effigies in Pakistan available on the net.
Good to see times have changed since 2002 when "A gold coin was offered as the prize for the best of the effigies that were paraded and then burnt at the rally, and there were some innovative slogans in English such as "Bush is Dracula". BBC
I know all about the no scupture rule. An explanation of 'just keep it simple' can explain this easily enough for most to understand. Full explanation available via Google.
I've followed the protests and take a keen interest in World affairs. Are you being honest when you say the reason for the headless effigies is for religious reasons? I think not.
I've PM'd you in the past and thanked you for your views and pics of your Country.
I'm not having a go but in these difficult times when you use the heading "People whe try to degraded our Prophet will burn in hell and this world will be made hell for them Amen" Then people respond in different ways. Honest photos with either honest supporting comment or no comment at all.
Bod.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
This weather underground?
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Bod, I think you and others didn't read that right, I think Awais was simply quoting the protestors, he was not making that himself, he was simply reporting what was being said by the protestors.
James.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Given that, yes, our culture is indeed better. I've said it and I mean it. Think what you want Harry. Put whatever politically correct spin you want on it.
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A 70's groupo of left-wing lunkheads. They got took their name from a Dylan lyric "you don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing". They attempted to bring about "the revolution" by a series of idiotic bombings and other "revolutionary" activities.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Protestent's voicePeople whe try to degraded our Prophet will burn in hell and this world will be made hell for them Amen
Maybe you would not have jumped on him so much if it was
Protestor's voice: "People who try to degrade our Prophet will burn in hell and this world will be made hell for them, Amen"
When you read something written by somone whose native language is not the one they are writing in you have to take care to be sure you understand what they are saying.
James.
http://www.jamesjweg.com
Please keep the discussion to THESE PHOTOS from Awais. If you want to have a flamefest, our good friend Rutt started a thread for just such discussion.
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=27562
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It's not clear, is it from one of the signs or just an impression/summary of what was being said. Whatever, it's heading each photo on every page for no good reason that I can think of or see...
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I don't think we are "better". Put us in the same environment as the protestors in the pic and we will act in a similar manner. During my two years in Vietnam I saw priviliged Americans act in qute uncivilized ways once they were freed from the usual cultural restictions placed on them at home. I am not speaking of military operations either. They were in a position of power and surrounded by a culture they felt superior to.
We just disagree. I have trouble assuming cultural superiority for anyone.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Please keep the discussion to THESE PHOTOS from Awais. If you want to have a flamefest, our good friend Rutt started a thread for just such discussion.
http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=27562
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:cry
Thrown out into the void.
Post one in the Whipping Post Awais. I do like a good Whipping now and then...
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I would like to see more close-ups of the faces of the folks at the event. I would like to see a few shots showing the scope of it. I think these shots scrape the surface but could have shown more. They are an appetizer that whets your taste buds but don't completely satisfy.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
But doing so would loose the feel of the surroundings, or are you saying add in some close-ups to what is already there?
James.
http://www.jamesjweg.com
The pics by themselves are fine but fail to convey the event. If you are going for PJ want you to capture the mood and the scope of the event. I would like to see some close-ups of the protestors showing their emotions and I would like to see some landscape type shots showing the scope of the demo.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
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I have seen photographers know more about politicians and wars more then photography i am going to one more proteston sunday quite big and may be full of violence today our college building was bombared by rocks and didn't had camera:cry if you have seen video footage of on going violence in ISLAMABAD those students are my city mate who always beat my college students:cry they are just radical from day 1 will see what happened to market and my college tommorow
And wars on Iraq Afghanistan etc have bad impact on people here :uhoh
and that new footage of Iraqi youth torture:uhoh Abughraib:uhoh Guantanamo:uhoh
bann on religious symbols in France etc :uhoh some Mullah elements:uhoh some polititians:uhoh Latest news is that the Denish President when cartoons were published in some meeting of different countries when Muslim leaders asked him for 1/2 hour he used acted in very ironic way :uhoh and peaceful latters to embassadors the answer was also ironic and insulting :uhoh someone said for dialog they should see all people equally they act like gods:uhoh a guy showing signs of torture on his body nose cut off nails pulled out:uhoh Some news of killing kids and inocent people in Palstine etc :uhoh when one person here see all that he thinks west is biggest enemy and now Cartoons what you accept from them "Roses" and every person Jew or Christen or Muslims all has heart which should not be broken in any case it will just grow anger and hate and blood shed stop that everyone
And very thanks Harry and others for tips becouse i am going to big protest next sunday dont want to come empty handed
Any special tips i use 3x zoom sony W1 camera
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Interesting shots and a good view into protest in Pakistan. It's just a shame it shows your fellow countrymen acting so badly.
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Interesting. Over 20,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the US-Great Britain intervention in Iraq and these folks are "acting badly" because they are demonstrating in the street.
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We have more efficient and "civilized" ways of killing. I'm sure that they will catch up to our technology soon enough and will become models of civilization like our respective countries.
I do have trouble with our looking down at the photos' subjects as if our cultures have shown themselves superior. If we all share one thing in common that would be our shared willingness to resort to violence.
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