Growing up, you and I both learned a lot of stuff through peer pressure. We learned what was acceptable and what wasn't.
Maybe through the pressure of his peers, his fellow photographers, B:// will learn that it's not acceptable to ask people to stand in traffic so he can get a shot.
If you want to capture life on the edge, find it, don't stage it. It just comes across like a poser, just like K-Fed.
I was looking forward to say a few words, but you did better than me, Shay
In fact, as Owen says, for instance, B://'s picture are quite "good-looking": those are interesting pictures.
But having a drunk guy (or anything like that) do those sort of things… wow. B:// : you are sick on this thing.
You're right about that gear thing: don't worry, get closer to your subject, get good picture… but don't ever STAGE this kind of "reality".
This was a silly game and, as a result, your picture don't say much. They are nothing more than nice.
Why I say that is you told me on MSN you'd like to be professionnal. Well, a true professionnal (I mean: a reporter) never try to arrange reality. He approaches it the best he can, but never changes it.
Try to see "war photographer", the documentary about James Nachtwey. A great piece of info…
Anyway, keep being sick, but do it for some reason… and, at least, get some good pictures back if you ever get that edgy again
I can't agree with everyone's high horse moral stance, but I'm done commenting for now.
Your an 18 year old kid so I don't give a **** what you think. As you get older you will realize that life is cheap. The difference between life and death is so cheap that in many countries it does not warrant more than a passing comment or glance.
If it's a drunk or druggie it's cheaper still. I've seen people shot, run over and living in conditions that will bring on death too soon due to disease or starvation. I don't need you telling me to get off my moral high horse. Give me a shout in a few years when your old enough to get on a horse travel a bit and explain yourself properly. (But watch out as you travel you never know who might drop some acid in your water just for a laugh. I mean it's only a joke who'd have thought you'd have had such a wierd reaction)
There are people around that will kill you for a few $'s and there are people that will get you killed for a photo. If B chooses the latter then he is a person to avoid.
Go to Mexico city or Guatemala late at night and look for the results of crime. Photograph away and it is news.
Buy a maniac a few drinks and talk him into attacking an innocent passer by for a 'laugh' you'll get you pic's of news and crime but you will be manipulative scum. It's not difficult to buy, bribe or talk people into doing stupid things.
Take your choices in life but f*** with other people and prepare to one day pay the price.
Have a nice life Owen, and B make your choices but if I or many others that walk the World's darker bar's and streets see you up to no good in say, Joburg or Dakar, don't be surprised to end up in hospital wondering what the hell happened.
There are some strange people in the World, go out and meet them sensibly. Sit in a bar with a transvestite and you may find they are just people trying to get by in life. Just like you and me. Mess with the wrong person and you may get glassed in the face. Not a pretty sight and one you won't forget. And this is not some strange internet threat, it's something I've seen happen and like most posters here i'm just trying to warn you that actions have consequence's.
Life a bitch but that doesn’t mean you have any right to make it worse for anyone.
B's first foray into the darker side of life did not show him in a good light. I hope he learns from it.
A teenager who was run over and killed by two cars as he lay in the middle of a road was playing a game of “chicken”, police said yesterday.
Kyle Day, 18, was clipped by one vehicle, then run over by another when he stretched out in the path of oncoming traffic as friends begged him to stop.
Police in Lincoln were last night studying CCTV footage of the accident, which happened in the near-deserted High Street at about 1.30am.
Officers said that the dead man, who had been drinking, had played the same game a few hours earlier but a taxi driver had persuaded him to stop. On the second occasion he was hit by a Vauxhall Corsa driven by an 18-year-old man and a Renault Clio driven by a 17-year-old girl who had passed her test only recently.
Sgt Dave Kay said: “Some traffic accidents are preventable, but you simply cannot legislate for someone who is lying down in the middle of the road.
“We know from the people he was with that he had been drinking during the evening . . . we are waiting for a toxicology report, which will show us how much he had had to drink and also whether he had taken any drugs.” Police closed the road for several hours. Sgt Kay said: “The first vehicle to approach him was the Corsa. The driver saw him and swerved to avoid him, clipping the kerb and then clipping him. The Clio was directly behind. Its driver had no chance to avoid him.”
This post has been at the front of my mind for a couple of days now. Amongst many excellent pic's on site such as Awais's 'Culture of Pakistan' posts first image, which is great. I'm wasting my time on this .
Grow up and get your photography skills together with your life skills in order!
'Talking Heads'
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Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?
Bod.
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Ethics: Branch of philosophy concerned with the nature of ultimate value and the standards by which human actions can be judged right or wrong.
Spontaneous: adj
Happening or arising without apparent external cause; self-generated.
As I’m (for everyone here) an irresponsible kid, therefore I’m careless, and that at the same time denotes my immaturity as a person. As maturity is in function of experience (age), then I should say I’m immature as I’m just a stupid kid.
The difference between the way you discern from mine is the multiparametric function that defines it. We live different lifestyles, and we assume pressure and violence in a very different way. Is that cultural predisposition what makes me an ignorant.
I’m not justifying myself, and I’m not finding myself guilty of anything.
What I feel guilty about is that I implicitly managed to stage the photograph, as I obviously did for photographical “benefits”.
As spontaneous defines: self-generated. He was aware of the danger. When you're drunk/drugged or similars, you have that level of consciousness in which you know what danger implies to your life.
Disturbing? I imagine this is the part where I recriminate to different cultural moral states with pointless allegations, but I should not waste my time on this.
Now, if you know what it is to live here, then you know what disturbing really means. I’m not playing to be the rough guy, I’m just calling this our reality, the reality that has been killing more females in this year than Mexico in Ciudad de Juarez in 10 years.
We live in a place where your social economical level doesn’t protect you against a very probable death every day.
I should say all this to illuminate my social/emotional background, as I’m the one capturing the moment.
It’s hate, resentment and a very black humor against human life.
But yes, I was being completely stupid and irresponsible.
I’m just taking my time to balance the equation.
I spit to the sky, and I’m still waiting for the spit to come back.
I should take myself some time to grow up as a person, I need to ripe…
As spontaneous defines: self-generated. He was aware of the danger. When you're drunk/drugged or similars, you have that level of consciousness in which you know what danger implies to your life.
This is the most stupidest thing I've ever read.
Do I really need to develop? Ask a doctor sometimes…of course, you're aware of some danger… but you mak'em small.
P.S. If you want me to leave the forum let me know it here.
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And I don't see the point, here.
I don't think this is matter of leaving this forum or not. In fact, you think differently, why not! There's at least something to share. In USA, in Europe, too, we're over-protected. But, hey! c'mon, immatury is no excuses…
I'been through some places in Africa, I've seen how people drive there (as in Cambodia, omg ) and, well, I did travel some dangerous ways, but which are common ways downthere. But I haven't see anyone putting someone he doesn't know in danger at least for entertainment
I totally understand Guatemala is a crazy country in some aspects, but I do not think you're born from the streets…*You've got quite an photographic equipment, which make me think you're not totally unaware of a certain comfort.
Anyway, keep being sick doing art or anything, but don't ask anybody to put his life in danger for your amusement. We's no longer in Cesar's Rome, for Christ sake (I always wanted to write this ) !
As to be clear: be aware I judge your act, but I don't judge you.
I agree with you that your actions here were immature, irresponsible and careless. Since we are in agreement I can assume that you have learned from this and won't repeat your actions. That's cool because we all have done some really stupid things in our lives. The trick is to learn from our mistakes and then avoid repeating them.
I don't buy your explanation based on cultural differences. If I made a post and said That Guatemalans did not share our respect for life and the dignity of other humans you would probably correctly get upset and justifiably call me a bigot. That being the case how does your justification about "cultural differences" fly.
I spent two years in Vietnam and then spent most of my working life in Harlem and the South Bronx. I ran counseling centers for Vietnam Veterans for five years so I have some idea of how dealing with difficult circumstances effects people. The ones that grow and get stronger are usually the ones that find that life is dear and is something to be respected, not something to be treated carelessly and irresponsibly.
Good luck.
I'm getting off my :soapbox now
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The difference between the way you discern from mine is the multiparametric function that defines it. We live different lifestyles, and we assume pressure and violence in a very different way. Is that cultural predisposition what makes me an ignorant.
Come on now. Are you saying you don't know right from wrong? That because violence is perceived differently where you're from makes it okay to ask a guy to dodge cars?
As spontaneous defines: self-generated. He was aware of the danger. When you're drunk/drugged or similars, you have that level of consciousness in which you know what danger implies to your life.
Umm....yeah I've been drunk/drugged my fair share. Judgement is definitely impaired. And anyone who says that "Oh well it doesn't affect me that way" is just a flat-out liar. Anyone who says they drive better drunk or stoned because they're worried about getting pulled over. Well, the worried part may be true to some degree, but they don't drive better. ~shakes head~
The difference between the way you discern from mine is the multiparametric function that defines it. We live different lifestyles, and we assume pressure and violence in a very different way. Is that cultural predisposition what makes me an ignorant.
No...you need to write (including screen shots) a blow by blow description of how you did that avatar shot. I attemperd to follow the one in the Dgrin page you linked to & got quite lost...you up for it ?
No...you need to write (including screen shots) a blow by blow description of how you did that avatar shot. I attemperd to follow the one in the Dgrin page you linked to & got quite lost...you up for it ?
Yeah, but it'll have to be tomorrow, my fiancee will be home from work in a about 15 minutes and she'll castrate me if spend a Friday night online
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There's no truth since he staged it.
But your second sentence is quite right: it's not irresponsible. In fact, we have to do so.
I was looking forward to say a few words, but you did better than me, Shay
In fact, as Owen says, for instance, B://'s picture are quite "good-looking": those are interesting pictures.
But having a drunk guy (or anything like that) do those sort of things… wow. B:// : you are sick on this thing.
You're right about that gear thing: don't worry, get closer to your subject, get good picture… but don't ever STAGE this kind of "reality".
This was a silly game and, as a result, your picture don't say much. They are nothing more than nice.
Why I say that is you told me on MSN you'd like to be professionnal. Well, a true professionnal (I mean: a reporter) never try to arrange reality. He approaches it the best he can, but never changes it.
Try to see "war photographer", the documentary about James Nachtwey. A great piece of info…
Anyway, keep being sick, but do it for some reason… and, at least, get some good pictures back if you ever get that edgy again
Wow, that's the funniest I ever heard…
Did you ever drive toward a drunk guy? I did ! And I had to do much to avoid him ; fortunately, I was in good shape in my car.
Your an 18 year old kid so I don't give a **** what you think. As you get older you will realize that life is cheap. The difference between life and death is so cheap that in many countries it does not warrant more than a passing comment or glance.
If it's a drunk or druggie it's cheaper still. I've seen people shot, run over and living in conditions that will bring on death too soon due to disease or starvation. I don't need you telling me to get off my moral high horse. Give me a shout in a few years when your old enough to get on a horse travel a bit and explain yourself properly. (But watch out as you travel you never know who might drop some acid in your water just for a laugh. I mean it's only a joke who'd have thought you'd have had such a wierd reaction)
There are people around that will kill you for a few $'s and there are people that will get you killed for a photo. If B chooses the latter then he is a person to avoid.
Go to Mexico city or Guatemala late at night and look for the results of crime. Photograph away and it is news.
Buy a maniac a few drinks and talk him into attacking an innocent passer by for a 'laugh' you'll get you pic's of news and crime but you will be manipulative scum. It's not difficult to buy, bribe or talk people into doing stupid things.
Take your choices in life but f*** with other people and prepare to one day pay the price.
Have a nice life Owen, and B make your choices but if I or many others that walk the World's darker bar's and streets see you up to no good in say, Joburg or Dakar, don't be surprised to end up in hospital wondering what the hell happened.
There are some strange people in the World, go out and meet them sensibly. Sit in a bar with a transvestite and you may find they are just people trying to get by in life. Just like you and me. Mess with the wrong person and you may get glassed in the face. Not a pretty sight and one you won't forget. And this is not some strange internet threat, it's something I've seen happen and like most posters here i'm just trying to warn you that actions have consequence's.
Life a bitch but that doesn’t mean you have any right to make it worse for anyone.
B's first foray into the darker side of life did not show him in a good light. I hope he learns from it.
Man killed playing 'chicken' with cars
TIMES November 09, 2006
A teenager who was run over and killed by two cars as he lay in the middle of a road was playing a game of “chicken”, police said yesterday.
Kyle Day, 18, was clipped by one vehicle, then run over by another when he stretched out in the path of oncoming traffic as friends begged him to stop.
Police in Lincoln were last night studying CCTV footage of the accident, which happened in the near-deserted High Street at about 1.30am.
Officers said that the dead man, who had been drinking, had played the same game a few hours earlier but a taxi driver had persuaded him to stop. On the second occasion he was hit by a Vauxhall Corsa driven by an 18-year-old man and a Renault Clio driven by a 17-year-old girl who had passed her test only recently.
Sgt Dave Kay said: “Some traffic accidents are preventable, but you simply cannot legislate for someone who is lying down in the middle of the road.
“We know from the people he was with that he had been drinking during the evening . . . we are waiting for a toxicology report, which will show us how much he had had to drink and also whether he had taken any drugs.” Police closed the road for several hours. Sgt Kay said: “The first vehicle to approach him was the Corsa. The driver saw him and swerved to avoid him, clipping the kerb and then clipping him. The Clio was directly behind. Its driver had no chance to avoid him.”
This post has been at the front of my mind for a couple of days now. Amongst many excellent pic's on site such as Awais's 'Culture of Pakistan' posts first image, which is great. I'm wasting my time on this
Grow up and get your photography skills together with your life skills in order!
'Talking Heads'
'Once in a Lifetime'
And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?
Bod.
Jerry Lodriguss - Sports Photographer
Reporters sans frontières
What's all the hubbub bub?
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Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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I sent you a PM where I hope we can continue this conversation. Thanks.
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crap ..it was suppose to be a bunny with various household items balanced on it's head. doh!
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I'll have a look and reply later Owen.
Not mine.
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I think this might be more in tune with the spirit of this thread.
Let’s be methodical.
Ethics: Branch of philosophy concerned with the nature of ultimate value and the standards by which human actions can be judged right or wrong.
Irresponsible: adj
Definition: careless, reckless.
Spontaneous: adj
Happening or arising without apparent external cause; self-generated.
As I’m (for everyone here) an irresponsible kid, therefore I’m careless, and that at the same time denotes my immaturity as a person. As maturity is in function of experience (age), then I should say I’m immature as I’m just a stupid kid.
The difference between the way you discern from mine is the multiparametric function that defines it. We live different lifestyles, and we assume pressure and violence in a very different way. Is that cultural predisposition what makes me an ignorant.
I’m not justifying myself, and I’m not finding myself guilty of anything.
What I feel guilty about is that I implicitly managed to stage the photograph, as I obviously did for photographical “benefits”.
As spontaneous defines: self-generated. He was aware of the danger. When you're drunk/drugged or similars, you have that level of consciousness in which you know what danger implies to your life.
Disturbing? I imagine this is the part where I recriminate to different cultural moral states with pointless allegations, but I should not waste my time on this.
Now, if you know what it is to live here, then you know what disturbing really means. I’m not playing to be the rough guy, I’m just calling this our reality, the reality that has been killing more females in this year than Mexico in Ciudad de Juarez in 10 years.
We live in a place where your social economical level doesn’t protect you against a very probable death every day.
I should say all this to illuminate my social/emotional background, as I’m the one capturing the moment.
It’s hate, resentment and a very black humor against human life.
But yes, I was being completely stupid and irresponsible.
I’m just taking my time to balance the equation.
I spit to the sky, and I’m still waiting for the spit to come back.
I should take myself some time to grow up as a person, I need to ripe…
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This is the most stupidest thing I've ever read.
Do I really need to develop? Ask a doctor sometimes…of course, you're aware of some danger… but you mak'em small.
I know & listen to this music.
And I don't see the point, here.
I don't think this is matter of leaving this forum or not. In fact, you think differently, why not! There's at least something to share. In USA, in Europe, too, we're over-protected. But, hey! c'mon, immatury is no excuses…
I'been through some places in Africa, I've seen how people drive there (as in Cambodia, omg
I totally understand Guatemala is a crazy country in some aspects, but I do not think you're born from the streets…*You've got quite an photographic equipment, which make me think you're not totally unaware of a certain comfort.
Anyway, keep being sick doing art or anything, but don't ask anybody to put his life in danger for your amusement. We's no longer in Cesar's Rome, for Christ sake (I always wanted to write this
As to be clear: be aware I judge your act, but I don't judge you.
I agree with you that your actions here were immature, irresponsible and careless. Since we are in agreement I can assume that you have learned from this and won't repeat your actions. That's cool because we all have done some really stupid things in our lives. The trick is to learn from our mistakes and then avoid repeating them.
I don't buy your explanation based on cultural differences. If I made a post and said That Guatemalans did not share our respect for life and the dignity of other humans you would probably correctly get upset and justifiably call me a bigot. That being the case how does your justification about "cultural differences" fly.
I spent two years in Vietnam and then spent most of my working life in Harlem and the South Bronx. I ran counseling centers for Vietnam Veterans for five years so I have some idea of how dealing with difficult circumstances effects people. The ones that grow and get stronger are usually the ones that find that life is dear and is something to be respected, not something to be treated carelessly and irresponsibly.
Good luck.
I'm getting off my :soapbox now
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Come on now. Are you saying you don't know right from wrong? That because violence is perceived differently where you're from makes it okay to ask a guy to dodge cars?
Umm....yeah I've been drunk/drugged my fair share. Judgement is definitely impaired. And anyone who says that "Oh well it doesn't affect me that way" is just a flat-out liar. Anyone who says they drive better drunk or stoned because they're worried about getting pulled over. Well, the worried part may be true to some degree, but they don't drive better. ~shakes head~
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