Will Andy get more value for his money after the updates? Absolutely. Should he wait? Well, that's a 50/50 proposition, I think. Totally up to him and how desparately he wants to fully Apple-ify his life.
i think dave should go double or nothing with fish
How much difference in speed is there between the 15 iBook and the 15 in PB? Is there any difference in the screens?
Major differences:
Screen: 14.1" square 1024x768 ibook; 15.2" wide 1280x854 pbook
Graphics: ATI Radeon 9200 w/32mb ibook; ATI Radeon 9700 w/64mb pbook
Speed: 1.33ghz G4 on 133mhz system bus ibook; 1.5ghz on 167mhz system bus pbook
RAM: up to 1.25gb ibook; up to 2gb pbook
Storage: 60gb ibook; 80gb pbook (these can be upgraded, tho).
Performance edge definitely goes to the powerbook.
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I've read a lot about this, but I've never had that problem with mine. I think it only relates to the first generation 867 12".
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Some do and some don't. When I was trying to decide between the two, I walked into the Valley Fair apple store and touched them. Thee 12" was noticeably hotter on my left palm than the 15". I brought it to the employee's attention and she said she never noticed it before
Even my 15" gets hot when I've been using it for a long while, without letting it idle.
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
What do you say fish? Need more money for that lens lust?
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You're on. Not much difference between a $2 deadbeat and a $1 deadbeat.
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The iBooks don't have PCMCIA. Neither does a 12" pBook. You need at least a 15" pBook to get a card slot. I use a FireWire reader. Even FireWire 400 is faster than my friend's cardslot reader.
The iBook suggestion is a great one if you don't need all the features. If you need it for field work, to download images and do intial previewing, but use the Power Mac for the big stuff, then you don't really need dual-monitor support, or blazing fast performance, or huge hard drives, etc. Take the money saved and buy more glass. If it is your only computer, however, you are better off with the pBook.
My 1ghz G4 Titanium Powerbook is 2 years old, and just now starting to show real signs of age as far as keeping up with the upgrades. Boat anchor after six months? Hardly.
This is my main computer and has been for two years. I often have to process several hundred raw files. It is definitely not the fastest but it will get the job done in a decent amount of time. I have become very good at getting it set up to run overnight. I leave and it keeps working while I play or sleep. I am waiting for a big bump in the PB line, hopefully G5, even a dual core G4 would work (dual G5 would be even better ). I could really use a dual G5, but as Fish stated it, you may have the fastest and best, but very soon there will be something better. I have decided to sit on the sidelines for a while and deal with what I have, until there is a huge improvement. I am starting to save for that new computer though, since I know it will be inevitable that I get one.
Anyone have any thoughts about a 20" G5 iMac? I'm wondering mostly about the quality of the display. I would imagine its better than my 12" PowerBook in terms of viewing angle and color accuracy. I'm lusting after that machine.
Anyone have any thoughts about a 20" G5 iMac? I'm wondering mostly about the quality of the display. I would imagine its better than my 12" PowerBook in terms of viewing angle and color accuracy. I'm lusting after that machine.
It is awesome! I drool over it every time I'm at the Apple Store. I'm not sure if its the same display in the 20" Studio mount, but it has to be close.
Anyone have any thoughts about a 20" G5 iMac? I'm wondering mostly about the quality of the display. I would imagine its better than my 12" PowerBook in terms of viewing angle and color accuracy. I'm lusting after that machine.
This site has a lot of good speed comparisons to see if a machine will be a lot faster. I have thought about a 20" G5 imac since it would be a good compromise, get me to the G5 chipset and would seem to have a long life for general computer use if you bought a faster machine down the road. How fast of a computer do you need to email, surf and do day to day things? The color is probably as good as a 12" if not better. I like the PB line because it runs a dual monitor set up very well and I can run a CRT to get better color. That is probably why I am waiting for the new PBs and not jumping on a desktop. I do a lot of work on the road.
Anyone have any thoughts about a 20" G5 iMac? I'm wondering mostly about the quality of the display. I would imagine its better than my 12" PowerBook in terms of viewing angle and color accuracy. I'm lusting after that machine.
I've got one, and it's gorgeous! Quiet and fast too.
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Some words from a workmate on why it's highly unlikely that a G5 powerbook will ship in 2005:
The biggie: ~25 watt power draw at a lower performance setting, though rumor has it the SOI version of the 970FX will bring that down to 15W, but that's still significantly higher than the 10 or so watts for a G4 at the "max
performance" setting. We won't even talk about what would need to happen for those to arrive with significant yields at a price that would keep a PB reasonably priced and with decent availability.
I won't say that it WON'T happen, but if it does the cooling solution will be
"interesting" and battery life will be noticeably less than with the current
generation of PowerBooks.
Then again, Athlon 64 laptops exist with those CPUs' typical power draw also in the 25w range, but none of them are anywhere near as sleek or light as Apple customers have come to demand from their PowerBooks.
In short, a G5 PowerBook at present would have to weigh at least 8 lbs, be as thick or thicker than an iBook, and would have a battery life of around two hours, if you're lucky; I don't think any of those factors would fly with PB customers just to get G5 performance in a laptop...
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Conrats, Andy. Is your home now fully upgraded? Just checking, cause once that's complete, we need to move on to your work environment!
Mac Mini might make an excellent home theater controller for andy-boy.
Congrats on pulling the trigger on the PB. You'll enjoy it. They're just so damn elegant.
I bought a silver Pelican 1500 case for my 15" pb and stuff, cuz it stacks nicely on top of the black 1500 camera case (20D, 24-70/2.8L, 70-200/2.8L IS, and 580EX) in the back of my 4runner.
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That's what I said until I spent a six hour evening trying to get the PCs to talk to the Macs. The Macs had no problem talking to the PCs, but the PCs just ignored the Macs. No PCs have electrons flowing through them in my house now (although one of them did for a short period today, while I transferred my turbotax archives off of it to the iMac
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apple bends over backwards to keep a customer happy
apple really
i called them to ask why there was no option for expedited shipping on my order. they don't have that option for the powerbooks, so they rep told me that instead of cancelling my order, they'd give me an additional $75 off my order.
Mac Mini might make an excellent home theater controller for andy-boy.
Congrats on pulling the trigger on the PB. You'll enjoy it. They're just so damn elegant.
I bought a silver Pelican 1500 case for my 15" pb and stuff, cuz it stacks nicely on top of the black 1500 camera case (20D, 24-70/2.8L, 70-200/2.8L IS, and 580EX) in the back of my 4runner.
fishy, d'ya think waxolicious would appreciate a case like that for my new powerbook for when he's caddying for me in yosemite?
That's what I said until I spent a six hour evening trying to get the PCs to talk to the Macs. The Macs had no problem talking to the PCs, but the PCs just ignored the Macs. No PCs have electrons flowing through them in my house now (although one of them did for a short period today, while I transferred my turbotax archives off of it to the iMac
pcs are used by mrs. w and issue. mrs. w and issue are *not* allowed to talk to the mac - period.
i have access to the pcs but don't want it the other way around.
fishy, d'ya think waxolicious would appreciate a case like that for my new powerbook for when he's caddying for me in yosemite?
Absolutely. They even have places to clip a shoulder strap, so if you have your sherpa tote your gear several miles out into the woods, he'll appreciate that feature.
Here are some shots of my current bomb-proof setup. I can only carry one of them on the motorcycle at a time, but in the 4Runner, they stack and stay put in the back, even during aggressive 4WD maneuvers (cargo net). If I feel the need to take more than two lenses, then I'll bring one of the lowepros. Tripod, lightstands, 'brellas, etc are in separate case, naturally. shots taken with 10D, 28-135 IS, and internal flash:
The black case also carries the charger, extra 511, and two 4-packs of rechargeable AAs (flashes). The silver case also carries the AC power adapter, Delkin cardbus CF reader, mouse, retractable CAT5 cable, and airport express.
i couldn't resist posting a pic of your sherpa...
just some ideas.
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
there's no limit to the type of help we can expect here on dgrin, and the fact that you would put yourself out there to help me like this, why hey, would somebody get me a tissue?
there's no limit to the type of help we can expect here on dgrin, and the fact that you would put yourself out there to help me like this, why hey, would somebody get me a tissue?
We aim to please, andrew. You aim too, please.
"Consulting the rules of composition before taking a photograph, is like consulting the laws of gravity before going for a walk." - Edward Weston "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
i called them to ask why there was no option for expedited shipping on my order. they don't have that option for the powerbooks, so they rep told me that instead of cancelling my order, they'd give me an additional $75 off my order.
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well, that stinks.
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i think dave should go double or nothing with fish
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Screen: 14.1" square 1024x768 ibook; 15.2" wide 1280x854 pbook
Graphics: ATI Radeon 9200 w/32mb ibook; ATI Radeon 9700 w/64mb pbook
Speed: 1.33ghz G4 on 133mhz system bus ibook; 1.5ghz on 167mhz system bus pbook
RAM: up to 1.25gb ibook; up to 2gb pbook
Storage: 60gb ibook; 80gb pbook (these can be upgraded, tho).
Performance edge definitely goes to the powerbook.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
Same goes for the iBook line. If you want the PCMCIA, go w/ the 15". It has a nice wide format display & very cool backlit keyboard
Dave
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What do you say fish? Need more money for that lens lust?
Dave
http://www.lifekapptured.com (gallery)
Even my 15" gets hot when I've been using it for a long while, without letting it idle.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
I know a sure bet when I see one...(and when I read it on another thread!)
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The iBooks don't have PCMCIA. Neither does a 12" pBook. You need at least a 15" pBook to get a card slot. I use a FireWire reader. Even FireWire 400 is faster than my friend's cardslot reader.
The iBook suggestion is a great one if you don't need all the features. If you need it for field work, to download images and do intial previewing, but use the Power Mac for the big stuff, then you don't really need dual-monitor support, or blazing fast performance, or huge hard drives, etc. Take the money saved and buy more glass.
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Actually, you need to talk to Andy about that $1. Read the last part of his post
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I saw that
Gambling has never been a strong point for me.
Dave
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This is my main computer and has been for two years. I often have to process several hundred raw files. It is definitely not the fastest but it will get the job done in a decent amount of time. I have become very good at getting it set up to run overnight. I leave and it keeps working while I play or sleep. I am waiting for a big bump in the PB line, hopefully G5, even a dual core G4 would work (dual G5 would be even better
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It is awesome! I drool over it every time I'm at the Apple Store. I'm not sure if its the same display in the 20" Studio mount, but it has to be close.
Dave
http://www.lifekapptured.com (gallery)
This site has a lot of good speed comparisons to see if a machine will be a lot faster. I have thought about a 20" G5 imac since it would be a good compromise, get me to the G5 chipset and would seem to have a long life for general computer use if you bought a faster machine down the road. How fast of a computer do you need to email, surf and do day to day things? The color is probably as good as a 12" if not better. I like the PB line because it runs a dual monitor set up very well and I can run a CRT to get better color. That is probably why I am waiting for the new PBs and not jumping on a desktop. I do a lot of work on the road.
I've got one, and it's gorgeous! Quiet and fast too.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
and an additional 1gb ram from crucial. i upgr the disk to the faster 80gb.
they may announce something, they may not. that's okay, i'm not the sort to wait.
1.33ghz is an upgrade in speed for me anyhow.
thank you all, for your help and advice!
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have two add'l pcs in the house. they'll stay
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Congrats on pulling the trigger on the PB. You'll enjoy it. They're just so damn elegant.
I bought a silver Pelican 1500 case for my 15" pb and stuff, cuz it stacks nicely on top of the black 1500 camera case (20D, 24-70/2.8L, 70-200/2.8L IS, and 580EX) in the back of my 4runner.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
apple really
i called them to ask why there was no option for expedited shipping on my order. they don't have that option for the powerbooks, so they rep told me that instead of cancelling my order, they'd give me an additional $75 off my order.
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fishy, d'ya think waxolicious would appreciate a case like that for my new powerbook for when he's caddying for me in yosemite?
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pcs are used by mrs. w and issue. mrs. w and issue are *not* allowed to talk to the mac - period.
i have access to the pcs but don't want it the other way around.
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Here are some shots of my current bomb-proof setup. I can only carry one of them on the motorcycle at a time, but in the 4Runner, they stack and stay put in the back, even during aggressive 4WD maneuvers (cargo net). If I feel the need to take more than two lenses, then I'll bring one of the lowepros. Tripod, lightstands, 'brellas, etc are in separate case, naturally.
shots taken with 10D, 28-135 IS, and internal flash:
The black case also carries the charger, extra 511, and two 4-packs of rechargeable AAs (flashes). The silver case also carries the AC power adapter, Delkin cardbus CF reader, mouse, retractable CAT5 cable, and airport express.
i couldn't resist posting a pic of your sherpa...
just some ideas.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."-Hunter S.Thompson
there's no limit to the type of help we can expect here on dgrin, and the fact that you would put yourself out there to help me like this, why hey, would somebody get me a tissue?
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Nice!
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Andy, Andy, Andy. You have so much more to learn, my son.
<sigh>
Fish, Pathfinder. Help me here. We've got our work cut out for us with this one.
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