Antonio Correia wrote:
I find the results by Quicklebe very interesting.:D
He used the "reverse", the "opposite", the "antonym" - if I can say so - of my way: instead of trying to hide the light from the camera side, he did it on the other side of the target.
This way, the ambient reflected light is contained.
Here is another attempt with more effort put into reflection control. The foil labels were tricky . This bottle didn't seem to work too well with just a bright back diffuser, the front of the bottle was dark with very little detail. So I tried instead to create a surrounding of unbroken white.
Antonio Correia wrote:
Nice, Antonio. The reflective surface you put them on is a nice touch. My one, off the cuff comment is that in your third shot I don't think the glass got enough light. I'd put at least a small gap between the two bottles to let some light through from behind. You're shots definitely give me the impression you live well
...This is a classy look; I like it...
One of the goals of our classes is to show that the most gorgeous shots do not necessarily require $100K worth of equipment.
A cold one is always welcome...
I welcome comments or criticisms.
Take this w/ a grain of salt since your photog skills way surpass mine..
Try putting a glass like this in the freezer for about a half hour before you shoot it. It will make the bottle really sweat and give that oh so drinkable look!
All the best!
The only gotcha is to handle it with an extreme care and do not touch the surface. In case of beer bottle it's relatively easy though, since you usually can handle it by the lid alone.
And you also need to act F*A*S*T, so have everything ready.
If possible, have a few spares, so you can reshoot. ANd the best part - you can drink them all later!
The way I've done this it to get everying set up with a warm stand in. Once you are ready to go, swap bottles and shoot away. If you can get a small enough aperture to shoot at 1/4 power or so, that will let you capture more images and the bottle thaws. The glasses I was shooting for LPS#1 were brutal that way because they didn't have the thermal mass of liquid inside. They would frost up and thaw over a period of about 90 seconds.
Thanks to Nikolai and LiquidAir on setting up this new assignment thread. While some of this stuff seems tedious. These are the fundamentals to lighting and can really help any photographer take better shots even when they aren't using a flash. It opens your eyes to how things are lit even by ambient, and how sometimes taking one step to the left or right can dramatically change the outcome of a picture. Even when I'm not shooting, I still see how everything is lit and think about how I can make it better w/ a few strobes. (w/ the help of a few other photography mentors as well)
It's not small task taking something like this on since you have to have an experts knowledge to go into these photos and disect them to help aspiring photographers take better shots.
Antonio Correia wrote:
Welcome to dgrin Snakeroot! Very cool jumping in the deep end!
While Liquid Air is definately the resident expert and all his comments superseed mine. I have a few things that might help you to really get that portfolio shot.
I won't ping on the ambient light since you know about it. I'm looking forward to seeing how your shots come out when you can control that.
That party light is way to intense. Try backing that light away and increasing the size of the difuser your using. Remember it's the relative size of the light to subject that matters. If I have a big ol 8' soft box lighting me, but it's 60 feet away. It's like I'm using a speedlight at point blank range. Make sense?
Also try turning the mug different ways so your specular highlights aren't on the handle of the mug as much. Right now they are relecting off the mug and reflecting through the glass in the handle as well to create a double dose of light.
You are lighting on two table tops as well. This gives you allot of lighting angle diversity. Try seperating the tables a bit and lighting your mug from underneath. Then move the mug in relation to the bottom light around. Just pay w/ it. If your blue floor is not strong enough to hold the mug. Cut out a circle in some cardboard and place your floor then mug on that. This also gives you even more ways to control the light .
By the angle of your tripod. It looks like your camera is set up in landscape and your background is set up for portrait. What is really essential in shooting these shots is that the black background (please refer to LiquidAir's first few posts or the book he mentions) should ONLY take up the frame of the shot. What this means is that once you have your shot composed. You shuld be able to either zoom out just a tad (or back your camera up if your using a prime lens) and the top, left and right sides of the background should all have an equal space gap between the outer edge of the background and the frame of your veiwfinder. This doesn't need to be gnats a$$ perfect since your learning the principal. But you should try to get it reasonably close.
Since your using mostly ambient light for this setup. You can also light your background w/ a flashlight to get some cool gradient lighting effects in your shots as well. The only trouble w/ doing this is the color tempuratures are usually off. THis can be a good thing though from a creative standpoint.
If any of this doesn't make sense to you. Feel free to ask. If you asked me to light a bottle for a shot a year ago. I would have just popped up my on board flash on the camera
Very cool work w/ what you have.
Look forward to seeing your next round!
the strobe is way too strong. I'll have to figure out how to MacGuyver a better setup.
Lesson one is you guys make this look really easy However, it is anything BUT easy You all are very talented!
(I'm still having a hard time shelling out so much $$ for a tripod But one day I'll get over that!)
I'll try and setup a landscape shot using the background correctly as you pointed out and see if I have any better success.
(Thanks again for the feedback! I'm here to learn!
Here are the 3 "best" *cough* from tonight...
(t-shirt on table top doesn't look so great in that lighting, but I can't find anything else that will work).
Try putting a piece of plain ol notebook paper in between your difuser and the light. If that isn't enough. Try a second sheet, then a third...
Thank you, but in quicker time than you realize. You will 'get it' and you'll be snapping away w/ like a champ. There's an old adage, "smooth is slow, and slow is fast". It means take your time, paying attention to the details. So when you do pull the trigger. You know you nailed it!
Here's a link to a great tripod that really gets the job done. It's a mid range tripod. But I guarantee you'll get many years of use out of it. (129USD from Adorama) Another great thing about it that it extends all the way to 70+"!
Best of luck, and please stick w/ it. Once you nail a few. It's SO worth it!
I am pretty busy at the moment so I'll try to get back to you with more thorough comments, but I thought I would jump on this because it is a tricky bit of dark field lighting. It can be very hard keep the suface the bottle is sitting on pure black. Here are some ideas:
Keep the camera low so that the point of view is parallel with the table surface. That way you get the full bottle, but the surface doesn't show in the shot.
Put the bottle on a small pedestal and make sure the front of the pedestal is in the shadow.
Use a reflective surface. I use a sheet of black acrylic, but you can also use a mirror. A reflective surface will take on the same color as your background.
Keep your light source low so less light falls on the table surface.
Get a yard of deep pile black velvet at the local craft store.
Make sure your surface cloth is flat so creases and shadows don't show. I often iron my backdrops.