I knew, of course, that trees and plants had roots, stems, bark, branches and foliage that reached up toward the light. But I was coming to realize that the real magician was light itself.
Edward Steichen
Attached order confirmation from Ritz which includes the price. And I was told mid-November.
Crap...I'm jealous All that camera for only $100 more than my D200! I need to find a way to get one next year I'd say the price on the D200 is definitely going to be lowered, since apparently they will continue to offer that model for sale. The D200 will end up being the real bargain of the day if you can't spring for the $1,800 for the D300.
Where's Andy and the other die-hard Canon shooters?
=Matt=
Please let's not start more Nikon vs. Canon threads, even if the shoe does move to the other foot. Let's see...that was about the time I stopped hanging around here...
Looks like the only meaningful improvements are resolution and (presumably) auto-focus. Maybe the LCD monitor too. I'm really curious to see the new D200 price.
Plus sensor cleaning. You'll probably have to add high-ISO performance as well, once the camera starts seeing the review test benches. Everyone's talking about the D3 noise and high ISO performance because it (supposedly) sets a new standard, but I understand the D300 has made leaps and bounds as well. Nikon's engineers seem to have solved the noise issue.
D300 replaces the D200. The only "new" D200 prices will be for used models.
Another hands-on quicky test reporting outstanding high ISO performance - of course, yes we need to wait for the real tests to confirm...but this more confirmation that Nikon seems to have done some homwork reagarding noise
"Brief Hands-On Trial
In our hands-on time with the D3 at an exclusive press event in Tokyo, we were blown away by the high speed images generated by the camera. Far from a scientific test (we shot a lot of images underneath the meeting room tables) the camera exhibited almost no noise at speeds up to ISO 6400. Obviously extended testing of the system will be necessary, but even in casual inspection the images off the D3 are exponentially better than previous systems.
For years the high ISO noise of the Nikon platform has been the Achilles heel of camera system, and clearly Nikon set out to eliminate that weakness with its new DSLRs. From what we’ve seen in our limited testing, they seem to have succeeded. Anyone who has heard the generalization that the Canon system performs better in low light will likely to have to revisit that maxim. "
D300 replaces the D200. The only "new" D200 prices will be for used models.
The Nikon press release said the D200 will continue.
Everything you wrote about the D300 is true. I deleted my post after the list of improvements kept expanding in my mind. Still, I'm curious to know how much of a bargain the D200 becomes.
Where's Andy and the other die-hard Canon shooters?
=Matt=
I don't know if I really count as a "die hard" Canon shooter...but I am here. The Nikon announcement is very interesting. Those look to be amaznig cameras on paper; we'll see if they meet the expactations in the real world. Really, I'm happy that Nikon appears to be back in the game--it will push Canon harder to come out with better stuff next time. They've been coasting in their midrange since the 20D--IMHO the 30D & 40D are incremental updates only. As amazing as the Mk IIIs are, I have a feeling they are easing up on the gas there too. This ought to be a nice kick in the pants. Add in the pressure from Pentax coming alive again and possibly something of interest from Sony, and it's a good time to be a photographer.
Gosh, this is exciting. The Nikon and Canon boards are in a near state of frenzy. All we need now is some real world testing and reviews.
It seems that no one I could find is taking pre-orders n the D3 yet. I did put a pre-order in for a D300, hopefully I can get one before the Merritt Island shoot. Adorama will call me once they start taking pre-orders for the D3 and B&H said they would probably start taking pre-orders in late October.
I'm going to be interested in how the new AF system works. 51 points is dandy but usually the AF slows down as you use more focus points. Also the sensor in the D300 is made by Sony so it will be real interesting to see how it does when you use higher ISOs. If the high ISO performance on the D300 is a major improvement that will bode well for future Sony DSLR releases.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Another difference from what: 6 to 8 fps (8 is with the battery pack add-on) vs. 5 for D200. Add in the live preview (with focus), and a longer battery life (with same battery). I'd add image processing to my list too. 14 bit sampling and 16-bit processing may well represent a big improvement in color gradation. We'll have to see what difference it makes in the pictures.
You could say I'm pretty excited about this cam.:ivar
... All we need now is some real world testing and reviews.
...
A big "amen" to that statement. I was in marketing/advertising for 31 years and promises are easily made.
Until I see independent reviews which corroborate each other, I don't place too much trust in the advertised specifications and manufacturer claims. Specs may mean something, and they may mean little to nothing in actual use.
That said, I have been previously impressed that Nikon has "not" made outlandish claims, especially regarding its high-end and professional line of cameras and lenses.
I hope everything they (Nikon) say is true and working and I do hope that we, the photographic community, benefit as a result.
It seems that no one I could find is taking pre-orders n the D3 yet. I did put a pre-order in for a D300, hopefully I can get one before the Merritt Island shoot. Adorama will call me once they start taking pre-orders for the D3 and B&H said they would probably start taking pre-orders in late October.
Is B&H handling the Nikons differently then they did the 1DmkIII which had no preorders? Still can't get on the notify when in stock email list.
Glad I didn't have spend Nikon money to get a 24-70.
Cool, not the best thing to judge from since it's a crappy youtube video...but that dark part of the city he zoomed in on using the LCD after taking that shot at 6400 sure looked pretty good to me. Again though, still need to see the pro's official reviews....but once again, so far no one has put the brakes on the "holy sh%#!" first reaction to the D3 I couldn't tell what the other thing was he demonstrated...something to do with detail in the ceiling light and the metering capabilities - as in not being blown out?...I guess that what the other shot he took was testing.
Cool, not the best thing to judge from since it's a crappy youtube video...but that dark part of the city he zoomed in on using the LCD after taking that shot at 6400 sure looked pretty good to me. Again though, still need to see the pro's official reviews....but once again, so far no one has put the brakes on the "holy sh%#!" first reaction to the D3 I couldn't tell what the other thing was he demonstrated...something to do with detail in the ceiling light and the metering capabilities - as in not being blown out?...I guess that what the other shot he took was testing.
There is another website with that video, instead of the YouTube version, but I couldn't get it to play here.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Almost bought a D200 a couple months back and held off because of rumors of this looming announcement. It goes far beyond the rumors I heard too which were for a D200x that was a lot more believable than the D300... I'm happy I've held off and will continue to for a few more months, because my next camera is going to be a D300.
Info from B&H
If anyone is interested I just received this reply back from B&H Photo on the D3:
Our Answer: New Nikon equipment :
Nikon D300
Nikon D3
AF-S 14-24 mm
24-70 mm F2.8G ED
AF-S 400 mm F2.8G ED VR
AF-S 500 mm F4G ED VR
AF-S 600 mm F4G ED VR
Sorry, B&H has not received the NEW products your inquiring after, and they are not available for sale yet.
Its not even in our database !
The company has not provided a date of arrival.
Please try again soon.
Visit their Website, for possibly more info.
Sorry, no pre-orders at this time.
B&H cannot provide :
1. Delivery dates
2. Reserving this camera
3. Pre-pay - we cannot provide
a delivery date at all.
4. B&H has no waiting list.
5. There is no date of arrival.
I pre-order my D300 from Ritz and my D3 from Calumet. I also have a second D3 pre-order in with a local dealer as a back-up to the Calmut order.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Well, after being a little frustrated with my D100 then talking with Baldy at the ADVRider West Fest, I made the decision to bail on my Nikon gear and go Canon.
Then Nikon finally gets it right, or so it appears. Now I'm back thinking Nikon again.
It's an emotional rollercoaster, and I blame everybody on dgrin, but especially HarryB.
I've been a long time lurker here on DGrin, and I really appreciate reading the opinions that everybody posts. So I expect to be contributing more soon...
Well, after being a little frustrated with my D100 then talking with Baldy at the ADVRider West Fest, I made the decision to bail on my Nikon gear and go Canon.
Then Nikon finally gets it right, or so it appears. Now I'm back thinking Nikon again.
It's an emotional rollercoaster, and I blame everybody on dgrin, but especially HarryB.
I've been a long time lurker here on DGrin, and I really appreciate reading the opinions that everybody posts. So I expect to be contributing more soon...
Wes Weber
I'm glad to see that I'm having an effect around here. :ivar
I'm even happier that you've delurked and I'm looking forward to hearing more from you. Especially if you turn away from the dark side and return to Nikonland.
Be careful when you talk to Baldy. If you listen to him you will become a vegan :crazy and shoot with a Canon. :puke1 A fate too horrible to even contemplate. :whew
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I have been saving to upgrade for a zoom or long linse that was faster than the Tameron 70-300 zoom I have now. I like the Tameron except when I am shooting moving objects at 250 ~ 300mm without a tripod.
Now Nikon brings out the D-300. I currently use either a D-70 or 70s that are giving fairly good results (pro photographers need not worry). Most problems I'm having can be traced to the owner and not the camera.
For now I think I'll continue the quest for better glass but that D-300 is calling me.
I sure many of you have noticed this but there seems to be a lot of Canon stuff for sale in the last few days...looks like a smart move...:ivar
There will be a lot of stuff for sale soon as folks start raising the cash to get the new cameras. I have a D200 and D2X that should be up for sale by the end of the year.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I just got back from henrys Camera and oddly enough they have a table sale on with d200s and a fugi pro etc..
The girl looked at me like i had two heads when I asked to pre order my d300.
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It's definitely party time!
Where's Andy and the other die-hard Canon shooters?
=Matt=
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Attached order confirmation from Ritz which includes the price. And I was told mid-November.
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Crap...I'm jealous
Please let's not start more Nikon vs. Canon threads, even if the shoe does move to the other foot. Let's see...that was about the time I stopped hanging around here...
http://cusac.smugmug.com
Plus sensor cleaning. You'll probably have to add high-ISO performance as well, once the camera starts seeing the review test benches. Everyone's talking about the D3 noise and high ISO performance because it (supposedly) sets a new standard, but I understand the D300 has made leaps and bounds as well. Nikon's engineers seem to have solved the noise issue.
D300 replaces the D200. The only "new" D200 prices will be for used models.
http://cusac.smugmug.com
"Brief Hands-On Trial
In our hands-on time with the D3 at an exclusive press event in Tokyo, we were blown away by the high speed images generated by the camera. Far from a scientific test (we shot a lot of images underneath the meeting room tables) the camera exhibited almost no noise at speeds up to ISO 6400. Obviously extended testing of the system will be necessary, but even in casual inspection the images off the D3 are exponentially better than previous systems.
For years the high ISO noise of the Nikon platform has been the Achilles heel of camera system, and clearly Nikon set out to eliminate that weakness with its new DSLRs. From what we’ve seen in our limited testing, they seem to have succeeded. Anyone who has heard the generalization that the Canon system performs better in low light will likely to have to revisit that maxim. "
http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/prodtech/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003629911
The Nikon press release said the D200 will continue.
Everything you wrote about the D300 is true. I deleted my post after the list of improvements kept expanding in my mind.
I don't know if I really count as a "die hard" Canon shooter...but I am here. The Nikon announcement is very interesting. Those look to be amaznig cameras on paper; we'll see if they meet the expactations in the real world. Really, I'm happy that Nikon appears to be back in the game--it will push Canon harder to come out with better stuff next time. They've been coasting in their midrange since the 20D--IMHO the 30D & 40D are incremental updates only. As amazing as the Mk IIIs are, I have a feeling they are easing up on the gas there too. This ought to be a nice kick in the pants. Add in the pressure from Pentax coming alive again and possibly something of interest from Sony, and it's a good time to be a photographer.
http://www.chrislaudermilkphoto.com/
It seems that no one I could find is taking pre-orders n the D3 yet. I did put a pre-order in for a D300, hopefully I can get one before the Merritt Island shoot. Adorama will call me once they start taking pre-orders for the D3 and B&H said they would probably start taking pre-orders in late October.
I'm going to be interested in how the new AF system works. 51 points is dandy but usually the AF slows down as you use more focus points. Also the sensor in the D300 is made by Sony so it will be real interesting to see how it does when you use higher ISOs. If the high ISO performance on the D300 is a major improvement that will bode well for future Sony DSLR releases.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
http://www.digitalreview.ca/content/Nikon-D300-Digital-SLR-Camera.shtml
Another difference from what: 6 to 8 fps (8 is with the battery pack add-on) vs. 5 for D200. Add in the live preview (with focus), and a longer battery life (with same battery). I'd add image processing to my list too. 14 bit sampling and 16-bit processing may well represent a big improvement in color gradation. We'll have to see what difference it makes in the pictures.
You could say I'm pretty excited about this cam.:ivar
http://cusac.smugmug.com
Until I see independent reviews which corroborate each other, I don't place too much trust in the advertised specifications and manufacturer claims. Specs may mean something, and they may mean little to nothing in actual use.
That said, I have been previously impressed that Nikon has "not" made outlandish claims, especially regarding its high-end and professional line of cameras and lenses.
I hope everything they (Nikon) say is true and working and I do hope that we, the photographic community, benefit as a result.
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Is B&H handling the Nikons differently then they did the 1DmkIII which had no preorders? Still can't get on the notify when in stock email list.
Glad I didn't have spend Nikon money to get a 24-70.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjG--kWz-L0
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Cool, not the best thing to judge from since it's a crappy youtube video...but that dark part of the city he zoomed in on using the LCD after taking that shot at 6400 sure looked pretty good to me. Again though, still need to see the pro's official reviews....but once again, so far no one has put the brakes on the "holy sh%#!" first reaction to the D3
There is another website with that video, instead of the YouTube version, but I couldn't get it to play here.
SmugMug Support Specialist - www.help.smugmug.com
http://www.phyxiusphotos.com
Equine Photography in Maryland - Dressage, Eventing, Hunters, Jumpers
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
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http://www.phyxiusphotos.com
Equine Photography in Maryland - Dressage, Eventing, Hunters, Jumpers
If anyone is interested I just received this reply back from B&H Photo on the D3:
Our Answer: New Nikon equipment :
Nikon D300
Nikon D3
AF-S 14-24 mm
24-70 mm F2.8G ED
AF-S 400 mm F2.8G ED VR
AF-S 500 mm F4G ED VR
AF-S 600 mm F4G ED VR
Sorry, B&H has not received the NEW products your inquiring after, and they are not available for sale yet.
Its not even in our database !
The company has not provided a date of arrival.
Please try again soon.
Visit their Website, for possibly more info.
Sorry, no pre-orders at this time.
B&H cannot provide :
1. Delivery dates
2. Reserving this camera
3. Pre-pay - we cannot provide
a delivery date at all.
4. B&H has no waiting list.
5. There is no date of arrival.
Ritz is taking pre-orders.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Then Nikon finally gets it right, or so it appears. Now I'm back thinking Nikon again.
It's an emotional rollercoaster, and I blame everybody on dgrin, but especially HarryB.
I've been a long time lurker here on DGrin, and I really appreciate reading the opinions that everybody posts. So I expect to be contributing more soon...
Wes Weber
I'm glad to see that I'm having an effect around here. :ivar
I'm even happier that you've delurked and I'm looking forward to hearing more from you. Especially if you turn away from the dark side and return to Nikonland.
Be careful when you talk to Baldy. If you listen to him you will become a vegan :crazy and shoot with a Canon. :puke1 A fate too horrible to even contemplate. :whew
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
http://www.youtube.com/user/NYCFilmmakersGroup
http://www.meetup.com/NYC-Filmmakers-and-Actors-Meetup-Group/
Now Nikon brings out the D-300. I currently use either a D-70 or 70s that are giving fairly good results (pro photographers need not worry). Most problems I'm having can be traced to the owner and not the camera.
For now I think I'll continue the quest for better glass but that D-300 is calling me.
There will be a lot of stuff for sale soon as folks start raising the cash to get the new cameras. I have a D200 and D2X that should be up for sale by the end of the year.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
The girl looked at me like i had two heads when I asked to pre order my d300.
Regards Dave.
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