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I posted a question about the 8-core to MacRumors, and the general concencous was that it's far better to spend the extra $1700 on extra memory, and a faster hard drive array and possibily even the NVidia 4500 video card than the 8-core machine, when it comes to use with Aperture anyways.
I mean, is anyone here with a Quad Core intel pegging out all 4 processors reguarly with Aperture? Maybe if you're taking 40mp images from a Leaf or something.
Speed bumped. Yeah. The one I picked for my customer is the middle speed, 2.66, quad core with dual 2.66s.
I've been doing a lot less of the bleeding edge things I used to do, mostly small office/home office. More time to be a starving artist that way. Haven't put much effort into the OS knowledge the way I used to, either.
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This is the first test I've seen of the new 8-core Mac Pro.
Of particular interest is the comparative times in the Photoshop test.
It's possible that the new generation of OS, and perhaps a revised Mac Pro, will take greater advantage of the 8 cores. But for my current usage, a 4 core seems more than adequate.
This is the first test I've seen of the new 8-core Mac Pro.
Of particular interest is the comparative times in the Photoshop test.
It's possible that the new generation of OS, and perhaps a revised Mac Pro, will take greater advantage of the 8 cores. But for my current usage, a 4 core seems more than adequate.
Interesting test indeed. Seems like sometimes the hardware improves faster than the OS can take advantage of it.
Interesting test indeed. Seems like sometimes the hardware improves faster than the OS can take advantage of it.
Are we really talking about needing OS improvements? There is a memory bottleneck theory in the Bare Feats test and also by the Photoshop product manager that imply that it is in fact the hardware that needs to improve further if those additional cores are going to matter. Can a better OS overcome memory bandwidth bottlenecks at the hardware level?
Photoshop isn't going to scale with the number of processors beyond a certain point no matter what you do. But if you are trying to i2e thousands of images you just might get a linear scaling from 4 to 8 processors. Or run a couple of virtual machines at once. Or perhaps getting a huge shoot into Bridge or Lightroom or something like that. Video and rendering animation are much more like those tasks and these machines might be good at them as well.
Beyond a certain point, Amdahl's Law is going to limit what more processors will buy when working on a single image.
Yes, along those lines, I have seen Lightroom tax 4 cores when multiple jobs processing many images each are running in parallel. The CPU graphs looked saturated and the load average went above 3, which usually doesn't happen. I'll bet you're right that we wouldn't see that if working on a single image.
On the other hand, if what you really want it the most processors / $, perhaps so you can run i2e over lots of images in parallel, there are cheaper solutions. For example, Mac Minis are about $800 and have two processors. So you get about 6 of them for $5k which would be 12 processors.
The Core 2 Duo Extreme that's in the new Mac Pro is really just two Core 2 Duos in a big package and is priced appropriately (>2x Core 2 Duo) By June AMD is expected to ship a true 4 core chip and I know Intel has one in the pipe for the end of the year. Once those parts are available, the price of systems with 4 and 8 processors should drop. For example, expect Mac Minis, Mac Books, and iMacs with 4 cores for about the same price as we now pay for 2 processors. These parts should also be faster per processor.
One great thing about computers is that the future is always so great compared to the present.
Well, the usefulness of the 8-core MacPro is now justified for video editing. The new Final Cut Studio 2 makes great use of the 8-core machines, especially in encoding. The whole suite looks very...sweet! But the $500 upgrade...ouch!
Well, the usefulness of the 8-core MacPro is now justified for video editing. The new Final Cut Studio 2 makes great use of the 8-core machines, especially in encoding. The whole suite looks very...sweet! But the $500 upgrade...ouch!
They are proud of it aren't they? They made it cheap to go from 4 to the studio, now comes the gotcha.
In a former life the product use to be iView Media Pro before MSFT bought it, and I read somewhere in this thread that iView Media Pro was a great photo management package.
EDIT: I just read that the trial viersion of Expression Media is not yet available. So never mind.
In a former life the product use to be iView Media Pro before MSFT bought it, and I read somewhere in this thread that iView Media Pro was a great photo management package.
I wouldn't imagine that MS has had enough time to mess it up yet. I have it, I've been using it less lately, haven't kept it up to date, but yes, it's great. Best option, I think.
I wouldn't imagine that MS has had enough time to mess it up yet. I have it, I've been using it less lately, haven't kept it up to date, but yes, it's great. Best option, I think.
I tapped out my digital darkroom budget with the purchase of a MBP so now I'm looking for any breaks I can find on software (like having friends at MSFT get me the employee price on software).
In a former life the product use to be iView Media Pro before MSFT bought it, and I read somewhere in this thread that iView Media Pro was a great photo management package.
EDIT: I just read that the trial viersion of Expression Media is not yet available. So never mind.
I use iview and highly recommend it. I have all of my motorbike pics in one catalogue, keyworded and sorted in sub-categories.
What do people use to work on html, css, and javascript on a mac? Hopefully something that enforces xhtml, and formatting of html and javascript and has intelliSence (MSFT word?) built in.
Or do mac users just do this stuff in a text editor?
What do people use to work on html, css, and javascript on a mac? Hopefully something that enforces xhtml, and formatting of html and javascript and has intelliSence (MSFT word?) built in.
Or do mac users just do this stuff in a text editor?
Dreamweaver if you're building whole sites, BBEdit if you're more of a coder, TextEdit set to text-only mode if you're totally hardcore...
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Hmmm. 8 way processing. I wonder if it'll run CS3.
Link here. And they're 3GHz, not just the 2.66 GHz 5355 chip.
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Oh, and it's already being discussed, here.
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Does Andy already have one?
Didn't see it posted, just in case anyone had $5000 laying around:D
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I posted a question about the 8-core to MacRumors, and the general concencous was that it's far better to spend the extra $1700 on extra memory, and a faster hard drive array and possibily even the NVidia 4500 video card than the 8-core machine, when it comes to use with Aperture anyways.
I mean, is anyone here with a Quad Core intel pegging out all 4 processors reguarly with Aperture? Maybe if you're taking 40mp images from a Leaf or something.
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Seriously, she's a Mac guru, and has been doing Mac consulting for years. Believe me, she knows what she's talking about.
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I've been doing a lot less of the bleeding edge things I used to do, mostly small office/home office. More time to be a starving artist that way. Haven't put much effort into the OS knowledge the way I used to, either.
"now in my 20th year" as a Mac consultant; left the PC world behind in '98
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Of particular interest is the comparative times in the Photoshop test.
It's possible that the new generation of OS, and perhaps a revised Mac Pro, will take greater advantage of the 8 cores. But for my current usage, a 4 core seems more than adequate.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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Interesting test indeed. Seems like sometimes the hardware improves faster than the OS can take advantage of it.
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Are we really talking about needing OS improvements? There is a memory bottleneck theory in the Bare Feats test and also by the Photoshop product manager that imply that it is in fact the hardware that needs to improve further if those additional cores are going to matter. Can a better OS overcome memory bandwidth bottlenecks at the hardware level?
Neither the hardware nor the software seems to be ready for them.
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Beyond a certain point, Amdahl's Law is going to limit what more processors will buy when working on a single image.
The Core 2 Duo Extreme that's in the new Mac Pro is really just two Core 2 Duos in a big package and is priced appropriately (>2x Core 2 Duo) By June AMD is expected to ship a true 4 core chip and I know Intel has one in the pipe for the end of the year. Once those parts are available, the price of systems with 4 and 8 processors should drop. For example, expect Mac Minis, Mac Books, and iMacs with 4 cores for about the same price as we now pay for 2 processors. These parts should also be faster per processor.
One great thing about computers is that the future is always so great compared to the present.
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They are proud of it aren't they? They made it cheap to go from 4 to the studio, now comes the gotcha.
In a former life the product use to be iView Media Pro before MSFT bought it, and I read somewhere in this thread that iView Media Pro was a great photo management package.
EDIT: I just read that the trial viersion of Expression Media is not yet available. So never mind.
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I wouldn't imagine that MS has had enough time to mess it up yet. I have it, I've been using it less lately, haven't kept it up to date, but yes, it's great. Best option, I think.
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I tapped out my digital darkroom budget with the purchase of a MBP so now I'm looking for any breaks I can find on software (like having friends at MSFT get me the employee price on software).
Now if only I knew someone who worked for Adobe.
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"The camera is an instrument that teaches people how to see without a camera" - Dorothea Lange
I use iview and highly recommend it. I have all of my motorbike pics in one catalogue, keyworded and sorted in sub-categories.
Or do mac users just do this stuff in a text editor?
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Dreamweaver if you're building whole sites, BBEdit if you're more of a coder, TextEdit set to text-only mode if you're totally hardcore...
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