"I've had a massive response from people who are interested in supplying photos for the book free of charge. I would have loved to use some of your photos, but in this case, I'm afraid supply outstrips demand, and I am unable to offer to pay you anything for your photographs.
If you would be interested in supplying some photographs free of charge, that would have been lovely, but if not, that's no problem."
Remember I don't need the money but I think the above statement IF FACTUAL is a bit sad.
gosh! So, If I remember past posts in this thread, he was saying he may put a little money then "oh! some are okay not to be paid" so... you won't, either.
Sounds like it's not gonna be a "great" book: it lacks some... professionnalism.
Moreover, it's really sad to note he's trying to stress you out with people not willing to be paid! Especially after having said he would try to allow you something...
By the way: did you ask him how much he was paid for this book?
gosh! So, If I remember past posts in this thread, he was saying he may put a little money then "oh! some are okay not to be paid" so... you won't, either.
Sounds like it's not gonna be a "great" book: it lacks some... professionnalism.
Moreover, it's really sad to note he's trying to stress you out with people not willing to be paid! Especially after having said he would try to allow you something...
By the way: did you ask him how much he was paid for this book?
Hi Antoine,
He does manage to come over as a cheap conman either that or a business man.
No I didn't ask how much money he's getting, but did reply to him saying that whilst I might consider a lower price (lower than £250 per pic) I was not going to donate them free for a commercial book.
Brian V.
I would be doing this whether I was paid or not.
That is not the point.
The rartionale I use for whether/how much to charge is:
Would they give me a freebie or discount if I called them out of the blue asking for it?
I "give" away a lot of my work. However, only to legitimate charities and select friends, but with restrictions. At "grayandwrinkles" years old, I've been around the block more than a couple times. I learned quickly the only response from the "deal that will make you famous" was more requests for freebies.
I used to work in the movie/TV biz. Any SoCal person can tell you about the freebies that are going to make you famous. Or the deals where you will get paid when the project sells. You have better odds playing the lottery.
However, judicious networking does work.
I get more exposure and paying gigs from my charity work than anywhere else.
(And it makes me feel like a nice guy.)
The non-pros don't bother or scare me. The people they end up servicing are the lower end who are not going to come to me anyway.
There are some things a person just has to experience themself.
Somehow, I think they are not going to get it until they are tired of being taken advantage of.
Tis sometimes better to be a big fish in a small pond than to be shark bait.
Hmmm...
"Non-pro" reads a little harsh and is not meant to. So, before someone misunderstands and gets their knickers in a twist, I tend to be blunt. A pro expects to be fairly paid for their hobby/work whether it is their only income or not.
Giving away your work to a for-profit enterprise is not professional. Call it what it is, it is simply vanity. There is an entire industry devoted to that.
You want strokes and respect for your work? Post your work here. At least when you get compliments, they are sincere and from your peers not some shyster only interested in lining their own pockets.
You want to donate your work and build a clientele base at the same time?
Work with legitimate charities. Their members are usually the kind of people who appreciate good work and can afford to pay a decent price... And, you will be helping those less fortunate at the same time.
Tis sometimes better to be a big fish in a small pond than to be shark bait.
You want to donate your work and build a clientele base at the same time? Work with legitimate charities. Their members are usually the kind of people who appreciate good work and can afford to pay a decent price... And, you will be helping those less fortunate at the same time.
Exactly. I'll give photos away to charities (and have). Commercial ventures are an entirely different story. Someone else is making money on it, so why the heck shouldn't the photographer?
You want strokes and respect for your work? Post your work here. At least when you get compliments, they are sincere and from your peers not some shyster only interested in lining their own pockets.
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gosh! So, If I remember past posts in this thread, he was saying he may put a little money then "oh! some are okay not to be paid" so... you won't, either.
Sounds like it's not gonna be a "great" book: it lacks some... professionnalism.
Moreover, it's really sad to note he's trying to stress you out with people not willing to be paid! Especially after having said he would try to allow you something...
By the way: did you ask him how much he was paid for this book?
He does manage to come over as a cheap conman either that or a business man.
No I didn't ask how much money he's getting, but did reply to him saying that whilst I might consider a lower price (lower than £250 per pic) I was not going to donate them free for a commercial book.
Brian V.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lordv/
http://www.lordv.smugmug.com/
That is not the point.
The rartionale I use for whether/how much to charge is:
Would they give me a freebie or discount if I called them out of the blue asking for it?
I "give" away a lot of my work. However, only to legitimate charities and select friends, but with restrictions. At "grayandwrinkles" years old, I've been around the block more than a couple times. I learned quickly the only response from the "deal that will make you famous" was more requests for freebies.
I used to work in the movie/TV biz. Any SoCal person can tell you about the freebies that are going to make you famous. Or the deals where you will get paid when the project sells. You have better odds playing the lottery.
However, judicious networking does work.
I get more exposure and paying gigs from my charity work than anywhere else.
(And it makes me feel like a nice guy.)
The non-pros don't bother or scare me. The people they end up servicing are the lower end who are not going to come to me anyway.
There are some things a person just has to experience themself.
Somehow, I think they are not going to get it until they are tired of being taken advantage of.
http://jburtphotos.com
http://jburtphotos.smugmug.com
Basic but makin' changes
"Non-pro" reads a little harsh and is not meant to. So, before someone misunderstands and gets their knickers in a twist, I tend to be blunt. A pro expects to be fairly paid for their hobby/work whether it is their only income or not.
Giving away your work to a for-profit enterprise is not professional. Call it what it is, it is simply vanity. There is an entire industry devoted to that.
You want strokes and respect for your work? Post your work here. At least when you get compliments, they are sincere and from your peers not some shyster only interested in lining their own pockets.
You want to donate your work and build a clientele base at the same time?
Work with legitimate charities. Their members are usually the kind of people who appreciate good work and can afford to pay a decent price... And, you will be helping those less fortunate at the same time.
http://jburtphotos.com
http://jburtphotos.smugmug.com
Basic but makin' changes
A former sports shooter
Follow me at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bjurasz/
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Brian V.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lordv/
http://www.lordv.smugmug.com/
I can't find the thread now but wasn't those your pics of the dragonfly?
http://jburtphotos.com
http://jburtphotos.smugmug.com
Basic but makin' changes