Saw my piccie in a movie... without permission

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  • David_S85David_S85 Spotter of Dgrin Spam and Oddities ChicagolandPosts: 12,390Administrators moderator
    edited March 23, 2007
    Sid, I can't tell you what to do, but...

    Go get 'em!

    And seriously, if they have your picture, how many other images did they heist? Assuming this is indeed your shot, somebody made the executive decision to go out and steal images without asking permission for an award-winning major studio production. What kind of message does that send around Hollywood? Or student film makers that they get away with this? Where does it end?
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  • DifferentSeedDifferentSeed Big grins Posts: 79Registered Users Big grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    The image appears at the 1hr: 07min 40-44 second mark in the film. Got a screenshot for you, uploading now.

    I also looked at the credits, they credit the still photos to many, many people. If that is your shot it's also possible someone else gave them permission and passed it off as thier own.

    Edit: Here is the image:
    1978874#137987712-L-LBhttp://differentseed.smugmug.com/gallery/1978874/1/137987712#137987712

    1978874
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  • LiquidAirLiquidAir Major grins Posts: 1,751Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    wxwax wrote:
    Used it as a voice-over image in the film.

    You'll notice I don't copyright or right-click protect my images, never thought they were worth it. So it's entirely possible they saw it on the internets and stole it.

    Nothing unusual about being found, I've discovered. A guy for Fulton Country, GA saw it and bought rights to use it. So, too, did a local insurance gentleman.

    Did you put a copyright notice in the EXIF? Without that I can see a lot of people thinking the image was in the public domain. Putting a copyright in the EXIF may not protect a shot but it ought to at least keep honest people honest which, at the end of the day, is all you can really ask for.
  • RetaggerRetagger Big grins Posts: 46Registered Users Big grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Not the Same Photo
    Based upon the photo that Differntseed captured from tv and posted here - it is NOT the same photo. Just look at the lights that are on in the buildings and compare them to eachother - not the same. Compare the streaming lights from the passing and approaching vehicles - not the same. Just look at the tall building in the center of the captured photo from tv (No lights on) and compare that to WXWAX's photo - (Just about all the room lights on) - not the same.

    The photos are similar but definitly not the same.

    P.S. Your photo (wxwax) is so much better than the one shown in the movie.....
  • ChuckWCChuckWC Big grins Posts: 51Registered Users Big grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Yup, not the same picture. Also notice the two green traffic signs over the highway: in the TV picture, they're under the curved skyscraper; in the other picture, they're off to the right (and there's even a third sign that is missing in the TV version).

    Very similar pictures, but not the same.
    Chuck


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  • NikolaiNikolai Darth SLR Posts: 19,035Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Yup, no hit
    ChuckWC wrote:
    Yup, not the same picture. Also notice the two green traffic signs over the highway: in the TV picture, they're under the curved skyscraper; in the other picture, they're off to the right (and there's even a third sign that is missing in the TV version).

    Very similar pictures, but not the same.

    The off-ramp on Sid's image is totally not there on the screenshot.ne_nau.gif
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  • David_S85David_S85 Spotter of Dgrin Spam and Oddities ChicagolandPosts: 12,390Administrators moderator
    edited March 23, 2007
    Well, Sid, congrats on a very fine photo anyway. Yours is betterer. thumb.gif
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  • SeefutlungSeefutlung Unsharp at any Speed Posts: 2,781Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    I'd get legal advice .... more than one opinion. If the case is clear cut that you have been wronged then I would think most attorneys would take the case under contingency.
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  • saurorasaurora Major grins Posts: 4,320Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Well, that's great news that it's not Sid's image. I was upset to think someone was 'stealing' your work. I thought about it and wondered how many of all of our images are 'floating' around out there. I did a search to see if I could find your image on someone else's site and I found this. Almost identical to the angle of your view, but definitely a different shot and no where near as spectacular in it's resulting image.
  • gusgus Major grins Posts: 16,209Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    You wanted a mkIII anyway didnt you sid ?
  • AngeloAngelo Turning frowns upsidedown Posts: 8,937Super Moderators moderator
    edited March 23, 2007
    SId - go through the PGA for quicker resolution

    http://www.producersguild.org/pg/contact_a/

    and while you're at it CC the photographer's guild. I'm sure they would just LOVE to learn a producer may be stealing images for uncredited use... http://www.ia669.com/
  • JeffroJeffro I'd rather be shooting... Posts: 1,909Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Angelo wrote:
    SId - go through the PGA for quicker resolution

    http://www.producersguild.org/pg/contact_a/

    and while you're at it CC the photographer's guild. I'm sure they would just LOVE to learn a producer may be stealing images for uncredited use... http://www.ia669.com/

    I agree, the photo posted here is not Sids, too many differences. Sids is better too. Some of the differences I noticed were, signs, building lights, angle seemed lower....I don't think PS could change all that.
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  • StevenVStevenV Wake Up & Smell the Music Posts: 1,174Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    wxwax wrote:
    You'll notice I don't copyright ...

    not true. you may not have marked it as copyrighted, but as soon as you took the picture they copyright is yours.
    LiquidAir wrote:
    Did you put a copyright notice in the EXIF? Without that I can see a lot of people thinking the image was in the public domain.

    and they'd be wrong.

    http://steven.vorefamily.net/2006/10/19/we-all-own-our-copyrights/
  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    The image appears at the 1hr: 07min 40-44 second mark in the film. Got a screenshot for you, uploading now.

    I also looked at the credits, they credit the still photos to many, many people. If that is your shot it's also possible someone else gave them permission and passed it off as thier own.

    Edit: Here is the image:
    1978874#137987712-L-LBhttp://differentseed.smugmug.com/gallery/1978874/1/137987712#137987712

    1978874
    Nice job, mate.

    It's not my image.

    That's embarassing! I apologize to those I slighted in this thread. Dang thing had me going. It's also similar to another image I took, but the angle's different.

    I'll shut up now. lol3.gif
    Sid.
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  • patch29patch29 C|34N3R Atlanta, GAPosts: 2,928Registered Users, Retired Mod Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    wxwax wrote:
    It's not my image.

    That's embarassing! I apologize to those I slighted in this thread.


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    It looks like there shot is off the 5th Street bridge too. Bummer I was hoping you were going to get some new bling $$$$$$$.
  • DJ-S1DJ-S1 Life is good! Posts: 2,303Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    The good news is that all of those similar looking photos totally suck when compared to yours. thumb.gif
  • DifferentSeedDifferentSeed Big grins Posts: 79Registered Users Big grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Your pic is much nicer, too bad they didn't use yours, legally of coz :)
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  • SamSam San Jose CA Posts: 7,418Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    wxwax wrote:
    Nice job, mate.

    It's not my image.

    That's embarassing! I apologize to those I slighted in this thread. Dang thing had me going. It's also similar to another image I took, but the angle's different.

    I'll shut up now. lol3.gif

    Of course it's not your image!

    Sam
  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Sam wrote:
    Of course it's not your image!

    Sam
    Dood! No politics, please.
    Sid.
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  • behr655behr655 Major grins Posts: 552Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    wxwax wrote:
    Ummm, look at the shot. Does it appear to be a standard shot to you? :cool

    Same sky, same shine on buildings, same traffic trails, same location (not a photog friendly location).

    No, thousands of similar shots have not been taken.

    And no, asserting it's my image is not a big call. Why on earth would you think it is? ear.gif

    You would have to compare the lights that are on in the buildings.

    Bear
  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Now that my embarassing error has been made clear...

    ... it wouldn't bother me at all if this thread were to die. :hack

    Really. Cross my heart and hope to die (of something other than embarassment.):hang
    Sid.
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  • SeefutlungSeefutlung Unsharp at any Speed Posts: 2,781Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Lol - Sid I'll buy you a beer. We all make mistakes ... and the fact that you shot your image through a hole in the wall adds credence that it wasn't a "stock" shot ... then again as a person that has never made a mistake in my life ... you can always come back under a different handle... lol

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  • W.W. WebsterW.W. Webster Happily mirrorfree New ZealandPosts: 3,204Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    wxwax wrote:
    Also, I don't feel the need to prove it's mine, not here, anyway.
    Quite so. But you were stating the image was yours. Is that still your view?
    wxwax wrote:
    As I said, the skepticism here is kinda surprising and amusing.
    You posted here seeking comment. I didn't detect any feedback that was offered other than to develop the topic you started, in an attempt to assist you. That was certainly my approach.

    You've generated a lot of views and suggestions. What do you plan to do now?
  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Quite so. But you were stating the image was yours. Is that still your view?

    You posted here seeking comment. I didn't detect any feedback that was offered other than to develop the topic you started, in an attempt to assist you. That was certainly my approach.

    You've generated a lot of views and suggestions. What do you plan to do now?
    You're one of the guys I was apologizing to.

    If you follow the thread, you'll see that your suspicions were correct and that I was wrong: the shot isn't mine.

    So I plan to sit here in embarassed silence and hope this stupid thread dies. lol3.gif
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
    http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
  • gusgus Major grins Posts: 16,209Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    wxwax wrote:
    So I plan to sit here in embarassed silence and hope this stupid thread dies. lol3.gif

    Bump
  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    gus wrote:
    Bump
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    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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  • ivarivar I'd be happy with a cookie Posts: 8,395Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    gus wrote:
    Bump
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  • SeefutlungSeefutlung Unsharp at any Speed Posts: 2,781Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    My offer of a beer still stands .... I'll meet you half way mmmhh somewhere in Kansas I suspect.

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  • wxwaxwxwax Immoderator Posts: 15,471Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    Seefutlung wrote:
    My offer of a beer still stands .... I'll meet you half way mmmhh somewhere in Kansas I suspect.

    G
    thumb.gif
    Sid.
    Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
    http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
  • W.W. WebsterW.W. Webster Happily mirrorfree New ZealandPosts: 3,204Registered Users Major grins
    edited March 23, 2007
    wxwax wrote:
    If you follow the thread, you'll see that your suspicions were correct and that I was wrong: the shot isn't mine.
    No apology sought, nor expected - but thanks anyway. thumb.gif

    Now I'll get off the thread so the last rites can be administered and our heads can be briefly bowed. nod.gif
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