I wished it had an even larger buffer (if I was going to buy it). Memory is cheap!
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I'm trying hard to be more excited than I find I am about 5DMkII. I wanted to be bowled over because I wanted to begin to explore full frame with the best introduction on offer right now.
However, after the excitement I did have of finally seeing what Canon has come up with has lulled a little, I am thinking such a high pixel count is there only to be "higher-than-thou", because what really makes an IQ difference these days is how the image is captured, not the density (number count) of the pixels. I mean pixel size and architecture, and AF performance - number of points, type and sensitivity. There seems to be not a word about either of these in the initial flurry of information with the new 5D (though some of the info would be much the same as what came with the DIGIC4 sensor).
At less than 4 fps it is also a bit sluggish. Indeed, there is something a bit stodgy about the whole concept of this camera. This was the impression that the original 5D began to make as time went by, and it's a pity that the new model has inherited this, to my mind at least. The video capability leaves me completely cold.
Instead of tempting me to be unfaithful to my 40D, it has prompted a second honeymoon! I reckon any photographer better than me, and that is just about everyone, could pull from the 40D and good lenses stuff that the 5DMkII could only equal and not better!
For me, the biggest question is what the noise performance in the real world will be. AFAIK, this hasn't been answered yet. I have seen a number of posts that assume that because so many pixels are crammed into the sensor, noise will be a problem. However, for a number of years Canon's main competitive advantage over Nikon was its low noise/high ISO performance. It would be surprising indeed if Canon were to sacrifice this advantage for the sake of megapixels. Well, I guess we'll know soon enough.
I'm trying hard to be more excited than I find I am about 5DMkII. I wanted to be bowled over because I wanted to begin to explore full frame with the best introduction on offer right now.
However, after the excitement I did have of finally seeing what Canon has come up with has lulled a little, I am thinking such a high pixel count is there only to be "higher-than-thou", because what really makes an IQ difference these days is how the image is captured, not the density (number count) of the pixels. I mean pixel size and architecture, and AF performance - number of points, type and sensitivity. There seems to be not a word about either of these in the initial flurry of information with the new 5D (though some of the info would be much the same as what came with the DIGIC4 sensor).
At less than 4 fps it is also a bit sluggish. Indeed, there is something a bit stodgy about the whole concept of this camera. This was the impression that the original 5D began to make as time went by, and it's a pity that the new model has inherited this, to my mind at least. The video capability leaves me completely cold.
Instead of tempting me to be unfaithful to my 40D, it has prompted a second honeymoon! I reckon any photographer better than me, and that is just about everyone, could pull from the 40D and good lenses stuff that the 5DMkII could only equal and not better!
I'm trying hard to be more excited than I find I am about 5DMkII. I wanted to be bowled over because I wanted to begin to explore full frame with the best introduction on offer right now.
However, after the excitement I did have of finally seeing what Canon has come up with has lulled a little, I am thinking such a high pixel count is there only to be "higher-than-thou", because what really makes an IQ difference these days is how the image is captured, not the density (number count) of the pixels. I mean pixel size and architecture, and AF performance - number of points, type and sensitivity. There seems to be not a word about either of these in the initial flurry of information with the new 5D (though some of the info would be much the same as what came with the DIGIC4 sensor).
At less than 4 fps it is also a bit sluggish. Indeed, there is something a bit stodgy about the whole concept of this camera. This was the impression that the original 5D began to make as time went by, and it's a pity that the new model has inherited this, to my mind at least. The video capability leaves me completely cold.
Instead of tempting me to be unfaithful to my 40D, it has prompted a second honeymoon! I reckon any photographer better than me, and that is just about everyone, could pull from the 40D and good lenses stuff that the 5DMkII could only equal and not better!
What does challenge my monogamy is the Nikon D700
Neil
I guess i got all your excitement + plus mine.....
For my work, which includes a fair amount of events, it would be awfully nice to be able to crop a portrait oriented 8" x 10" from a landscape oriented shot. There are too many times when there just isn't time to re-orient the camera and flash, the opportunity occurs and you have little time to react.
I think the Canon 5D MKII may be the first camera that is not horribly priced and with enough pixels to make that a fairly reliable possibility.
If my calculations are correct I would still have around 11 MPix to use for the 8" x 10".
That assumes that the autofocus is competent and that the microfocus adjustments work and that I have mounted an equally competent lens.
For my work, which includes a fair amount of events, it would be awfully nice to be able to crop a portrait oriented 8" x 10" from a landscape oriented shot. There are too many times when there just isn't time to re-orient the camera and flash, the opportunity occurs and you have little time to react.
I think the Canon 5D MKII may be the first camera that is not horribly priced and with enough pixels to make that a fairly reliable possibility.
If my calculations are correct I would still have around 11 MPix to use for the 8" x 10".
That assumes that the autofocus is competent and that the microfocus adjustments work and that I have mounted an equally competent lens.
just to help me understand this prices going down thing...is it worth waiting?
what price did the 5d retail at on its release? its now $2300....whats the percentage per time period? anyone know?
20% in the first six month...what?
I think the Canon 5D originally announced a $3500USD* selling price and I believe there was a time when that is what they sold for. Within a few months I believe I saw $3100.
By the end** of 2007, B&H was selling them for $2800 and I think that was pretty typical.
thanks Z
for me, if it were to be available within the next couple of weeks its worth getting due to fall season...but if it isnt, i guess i will just benefit from waiting until spring....
Don't get me wrong I like what I am seeing, but they need to fix the mistakes.
In any case I remember hearing photographers talk about how the 5D would just die in a light mist so I'm glad to see it is water resistant. I'd love to get my hands on one with the current posted specs at the Canon website and I don't even use EF-S lenses on my EF-S cameras anymore. Pop up flash works in a bind.
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just to help me understand this prices going down thing...is it worth waiting?
what price did the 5d retail at on its release? its now $2300....whats the percentage per time period? anyone know?
20% in the first six month...what?
My memory is that the 5D released at around $3300 (I don't have the exact number). Generally the price of a new camera drops $100-$200 somewhere between 6 months and a year after the body first ships (as opposed to announced). However you can't really complain about $2700 for a 21MP full frame sensor.
I am very sad that they didn't upgrade the AF system. That is one feature of the 5D I have never been very happy with. Other than that, the camera looks good, albeit I'll have to wait and see the IQ on the high ISO settings.
I am not going to be in the market for a new body for another 6 months to a year, but if I had to choose now it would be tough to decide between the 1D3 and the 5D2. Better AF and weather sealing vs. 21MP, full frame and video. Well, I have some time to make up my mind and maybe there will be other options then.
In any case I remember hearing photographers talk about how the 5D would just die in a light mist so I'm glad to see it is water resistant.
I have taken my 5D into some pretty damp environments and not had any trouble with the camera. However, keeping the lens dry enough to get a clear shot was a significant issue.
I have taken my 5D into some pretty damp environments and not had any trouble with the camera. However, keeping the lens dry enough to get a clear shot was a significant issue.
That's why I have always thought weathersealing was a slightly over-rated feature. I have some great weather-sealed lenses, but any time they need to be put to the test in bad weather I have too much water hitting the front of the lens to make images very usable.
As memory serves, the 5D was more for portrait and studio work than a sports speed camera like the 1D cameras. Really what you want to do with it. I don't do sports photography or things that really need that high fps, though it is a great feature. The 50D is also a really tempting camera for me to upgrade to if I didn't want to pursue FF and entrenched with Canon gear. Well I could go for the original 5D...... >.>
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However, after the excitement I did have of finally seeing what Canon has come up with has lulled a little, I am thinking such a high pixel count is there only to be "higher-than-thou", because what really makes an IQ difference these days is how the image is captured, not the density (number count) of the pixels. I mean pixel size and architecture, and AF performance - number of points, type and sensitivity. There seems to be not a word about either of these in the initial flurry of information with the new 5D (though some of the info would be much the same as what came with the DIGIC4 sensor).
At less than 4 fps it is also a bit sluggish. Indeed, there is something a bit stodgy about the whole concept of this camera. This was the impression that the original 5D began to make as time went by, and it's a pity that the new model has inherited this, to my mind at least. The video capability leaves me completely cold.
Instead of tempting me to be unfaithful to my 40D, it has prompted a second honeymoon! I reckon any photographer better than me, and that is just about everyone, could pull from the 40D and good lenses stuff that the 5DMkII could only equal and not better!
What does challenge my monogamy is the Nikon D700
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Well put.
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GPS...i dont want people to know where that shot was....!! im not giving away miles in scouting in 110 degrees just to everyone...:D
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I guess i got all your excitement + plus mine.....
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this isnt real?
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662
I think the Canon 5D MKII may be the first camera that is not horribly priced and with enough pixels to make that a fairly reliable possibility.
If my calculations are correct I would still have around 11 MPix to use for the 8" x 10".
That assumes that the autofocus is competent and that the microfocus adjustments work and that I have mounted an equally competent lens.
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what price did the 5d retail at on its release? its now $2300....whats the percentage per time period? anyone know?
20% in the first six month...what?
I think the Canon 5D originally announced a $3500USD* selling price and I believe there was a time when that is what they sold for. Within a few months I believe I saw $3100.
By the end** of 2007, B&H was selling them for $2800 and I think that was pretty typical.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070508220813/http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397314-REG/Canon_0296B002_EOS_5D_Digital_Camera.html
*Correction: Apparently the Canon 5D originally sold for $3300USD. It was announced in Aug '05.
**Correction: That pricing is from the middle of 2007.
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for me, if it were to be available within the next couple of weeks its worth getting due to fall season...but if it isnt, i guess i will just benefit from waiting until spring....
In any case I remember hearing photographers talk about how the 5D would just die in a light mist so I'm glad to see it is water resistant. I'd love to get my hands on one with the current posted specs at the Canon website and I don't even use EF-S lenses on my EF-S cameras anymore. Pop up flash works in a bind.
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My memory is that the 5D released at around $3300 (I don't have the exact number). Generally the price of a new camera drops $100-$200 somewhere between 6 months and a year after the body first ships (as opposed to announced). However you can't really complain about $2700 for a 21MP full frame sensor.
I am very sad that they didn't upgrade the AF system. That is one feature of the 5D I have never been very happy with. Other than that, the camera looks good, albeit I'll have to wait and see the IQ on the high ISO settings.
I am not going to be in the market for a new body for another 6 months to a year, but if I had to choose now it would be tough to decide between the 1D3 and the 5D2. Better AF and weather sealing vs. 21MP, full frame and video. Well, I have some time to make up my mind and maybe there will be other options then.
3.9 fps? I think I'm waiting for the 50D
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That would last you months!
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I have taken my 5D into some pretty damp environments and not had any trouble with the camera. However, keeping the lens dry enough to get a clear shot was a significant issue.
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I totally agree, I really wanted GPS.
As memory serves, the 5D was more for portrait and studio work than a sports speed camera like the 1D cameras. Really what you want to do with it. I don't do sports photography or things that really need that high fps, though it is a great feature. The 50D is also a really tempting camera for me to upgrade to if I didn't want to pursue FF and entrenched with Canon gear. Well I could go for the original 5D...... >.>
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is that where it went?!?
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