I didnt read every post but I think most missed the "bare bones" and "second shooter" part of the title.
Stage one bare bones: your camera and a 17-50 2.8
Stage 2 getting away from bare bones: a flash plus the above.
stage 3 no longer bare bones...... anything else you want to buy:D
I have to agree that it did not take long for this thread to go waaaaay beyond barebones ............However we all probably differ on our definition of barebones.....as shown above by cj99si and my definition camera, standard 50 or moderate zoom (17-70) or a 18-250/270, flash and flash bracket and tripod & Xtra Batts.......The 18-250/270 is a slightly slow lens but at the same time for a secondshooter and beginner it can yield great photos..........this to me is barebones:1 cam, 1lens,flash, tripod,X-tra Batts and bracket.........
A 2nd body IS THE #1 MOST IMPORTANT piece of equipment you can have. It amazes me how many photogs I've seen with just one camera body. I hope they have liability insurance!
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Synopsis and Upddate Ok, so I am moving forward on things rather quickly, partially due to fate, partially due to an awesome group of advisorsJ. Seriously, you have no idea how much I appreciate all of you! <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Synopsis:<o:p></o:p> I posted this thread looking for equipment suggestions for possibly moving into second shooting at weddings, got a wedding opportunity via my non-picky sister in law, got more suggestions, researched, and here I am: looking at buying some equipment and finding a couple of second shooting options locally over the next few months. (Again, she knows my lack of experience, is making this decison last minute, and can’t really afford to pay a photographer anyway.)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Wish list: <o:p></o:p> Tamron 17-50 2.8 glass, 430 ex flash, (?)tripod, extra batteries for the camera & flash as well as a few extra memory cards. I will borrow a second rebel body from one of my friends as a back up, so will be covered in that department. This wish list is getting pretty expensive, relative to me and my budget.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Budget: <o:p></o:p> If you remember the initial $700 was for 2009’s profit, most of which hasn’t come in yet as it’s only March. My mother in law has offered to buy a piece of equipment or two so that the pics are nicer quality (I’m guessing up to $500 but wanted to find out what I’d need and the cost before talking to her). I’m thinking used with a warranty of some type is ideal. I plan to post my wish list on dgrin and see what’s out there. I will also check Adorama. <o:p></o:p> Second Shooting: <o:p></o:p> My time is pretty limited as I have to be prepared for my SIL’s wedding at the end of August. Also, I work full time as does my husband who is also taking grad classes, we own a house and have two wonderful little ones, so yeah—my schedule is tight. I can however set aside two full days to second shoot (hopefully one this spring and one in early summer) in prep for her wedding. Note: My SIL is happy with my current status, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable enough without more experience and equipment. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I have checked out photographers in my area and emailed three photographers that I think would be excellent to shadow in some way. Two of them already have second shooters (their wives) but I’m hoping they will still consider me. I have emailed all of them (Krug, DiGiorgio, Kegerreis) and let them know my situation and sent them a link to my site and am waiting for a bite.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Thanks again! --Lisa <o:p></o:p> PS: I could use a tripod recc (remember bare bones) <o:p></o:p>
The recommendations I gave before are even more important now that you are planning to be a primary shooter for your sister-in-law's wedding.
If you cannot find a local photographer who will allow you to tag along on one of their weddings, at least find a local wedding that you can attend and just watch the photographer as they do their work. Watch them not as a bystander but as though they are a teacher and you are a student.
As was suggested write a contract for your SIL to sign that details everything about the wedding so that you and she are clear about what she wants and what you will deliver.
Also build a shot list that you will use to define the shots that you will take and also to define the sequence of shots to make the best use of time.
It would be a good idea if you could actually "mock" the wedding at the church before the event. You wouldn't need to have the full wedding party and they don't need to dress up, but a color scheme of black and white will give you an idea about tones for the actual event.
Also cover the rehearsal as you would the wedding. While you don't need to cover with as many images as the actual wedding, it never ceases to amaze me what can change between events even at the same church. If you shoot the rehearsal you will spot in the images things that you would never notice just by watching.
If you are only able to purchase a single flash I highly recommend the Canon 580EX II or the Sigma EF 530 DG Super as you would appreciate the extra output they provide. A suitable flash modifier is also extremely important.
The "standard" zoom is the most critical lens so that should be a first priority. The EF 50mm, f1.4 USM, mentioned earlier, is much more accurate in focussing than the EF 50mm, f1.8, but get one or the other as you probably will not be able to use flash during the ceremony. If you chose the 50mm, f1.8 then plan on shooting a lot more images with it to compensate for some OOF shots that will happen. Also practice a lot with it looking for the slight changes that you see when the lens "is" in focus versus the softer appearance of an out of focus condition. It's tough to see in the XT viewfinder but you can see it if you become experienced with the diferences.
You will probably be able to shoot with flash during the processional, then turn off the flash for the ceremony, then turn the flash back on for the recessional. Practice that technique until it becomes second nature. You will probably need to bump the ISO up during the ceremony and then back down when you use the flash so make sure you understand and practice all of this a lot until it feels confortable.
You will "need" to shoot RAW and process afterwards so become intimate with the process.
Also build a shot list that you will use to define the shots that you will take and also to define the sequence of shots to make the best use of time.
I mostly agree with everything Ziggy said. But the above needs one word changed ... change "will" to "want". The wedding and reception are very fluid events. The wedded seldom matches the plans outlined at the rehearsal. All this makes it nearly impossible to get all that you want, especially as the bridal party starts to feel the press of time and want to get to the reception. And the reception - moderately controlled total confusion.
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Great ideas everyone I am working on lots of your suggestions and in the mean time have selected big ticket items to purchase from Adorama (see below), you will note I did upgrade a few items per your suggestions. I am also planning to post them on dgrin should anyone have high quality, warrentied, used items. I feel really good about all this stuff, please let me know if you have any reservations (note I am already slightly over budget so more expensive stuff isn't really an option at this point).
Also, I have heard back from a local photographer. He is intersted in meeting over coffee to find out more and see more of my work (portraits), so we'll see where that goes. I'm hoping that he will let me shadow him for a few weddings, ideally one at the same location, but I know that is asking for a whole lot. I'm just happy that he responded so quickly and is giving me a chance. --Lisa
PS: Can you believe this journey has only taken a week (date of my first post)? It would have been so much longer without dgrin! Thanks!!!
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couple things to add to your list, 2 small, 1 larger.
Larger, you'll need a head for the tripod. Most prefer a ball head. RRS makes REALLY nice ones, but at a price. Giotto makes some. Manfrotto makes some (which I have, 488 RC4, and am happy with it, but would prefer a RRS). There's a few others. Make sure it will support all your gear now, and what you plan to have in the future.
Secondly, get a flash diffuser/modifier for the flash. Something to spread out and soften the light a bit.
Thirdly, a nice UV filter for the lens. Something to help with glare as well as protect the glass. I like the Hoya PRO-1 digital UV filter myself. B+W also makes some good filters.
<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/rolleyes1.gif" border="0" alt="" > Yeah, I guess it would be nice to have a whole tripod and not just the legs! So that pod is out of my league, but I found two others that seem nice (see below). The ManFrodo (he he) seems to be very popular and trusted (just like in LOTR), however holds up to 7.7 pounds. If I have done the math correctly all of my new equipment will weigh about half that, so I will have room to grow. The Endure-o (he he) will hold up to 10 pounds and comes with a case, it is $15 more. I think either will be fine. Agree?
The As far as the UV filter and diffuser, they come (along with a bunch of other stuff) in the kits. I like the kit idea since I don't already have this stuff and it is packaged together and cheaper this way. If I form prefrences later I can always upgrade. Sound good, friends?
<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/wings.gif" border="0" alt="" > Well right now I am uber excited, if you couldn't tell from my cheesy puns and late hours. It looks like I can place my order in the next week or so and will be able to play with everything soon! Thanks for your help!
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Flash - good choice. Kit, decent choice - I'm not too sure about the diffuser. But, then again, I'm partial to the BBC and the LightScoop as they produce very good light and are quite a bit more efficient. I question the power rating on the batteries. If the reading I've done is correct, it's impossible to get that much power into a AA sized cell - but I'm no expert.
Speaking of batteries - you might want to think about getting an additional set or two of them. I've had very good performance from these and, based on others' recommendations, I'm giving these Sanyo Eneloop 2000mAh AA batteries a try at my next shoot. P.S. - with batteries, it's a good idea to use and re-charge them in sets.
Lens - From what I've read, this is a quite good choice. But, I really think you would be better off skipping the "kit" with this for $399 though - but that's a religeous question - to filter or not to filter. I don't use UV filters unless I have UV light I need to remove from the shot (landscape photography) - not an issue at weddings! The rest of that kit - not worth the time/money (but that's just my opinion). If you are going to use a UV filter as lens protection, get a good one. Not all filters are created equal and Tiffen is reputed, at best, to be middle of the pack.
Tripod - I think you will soon determine that these choices are too light even with the gear you have and say you are planning to purchase - especially if you use then outdoors. As a second photographer, I don't think you'll find a call for using a tripod. As a second shooter, I've used mine just once - from the choir loft of a church using a 70-200 at 200mm on a 50D (just to give you a sense of the effective field of view). You may find it much more cost effective, especially in the long run, to save up $500 - $600 and get a good set of legs and head.
Final note - It's really easy for one (such as me) to sit here and help you spend your money - it doesn't hurt me at all. But, aside from the choice of lens (I like the Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS better), this is pretty much what I would do were it my $$.
UV filter -- not needed and some consider it a vast marketing ploy to get more money from us.
Ball head -- look at Acratech.net for good quality (not top but MORE than sweet enough) but less espensive ones. Still lightweight enough to tote around. Also call them, as they often have 'seconds' (paint not 100% perfect, etc) for less. :ivar
For difussers, lookat Lumiquest -- again check their website (fast shipping too!!!) for their seconds at NICE discounts http://www.lumiquest.com/sale.htm - CALL for availability.
I don't know any really good photographers that use a UV filter. Also, the amount of glare it will reduce will be minimal at most. Why would you spend so much money on equipment and then put another piece of clear glass in front of it?
If you need to reduce glare, then use a polarizer.
I also second the notion of the acratech ballhead. It is pricey though and the knobs are a little small, but overall its terrific.
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I believe in, and use, protective filters. It not only protects the front element of the lens, it also helps to prevent damage to the filter threads of the lens.
I also test my filters so I know how the filters will affect the image quality, or not affect the image quality, under different conditions. I know when I should remove the filter, which is not often. Different lens/filter combinations will be different so test your own equipment.
If you clean a lens without the benefit of a filter as often as you should you will develop micro-scratches that you cannot easily see, but which can affect image quality. A filter is pretty easy to replace as needed.
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Ahhhh! I just wrote this whole message and was somehow logged out along the way and lost the whole thing!!!! i guess that's what I get for multi-tasking. Ok, let's start over:
I went the kit route b/c I dont' know what I need, and it isn't that much more to pay, $35. After hearing your advice though, it sounds like my best bet is purcahsing a light scoop ($35), 8 batts ($15) using the charger I have (free), and buying a lens cleaning kit (what do you recc and what is the cost?) I was thinking the kit would be basic bare-bones stuff to get me started and give me back-ups for when I upgrade, but maybe it is just junk(?) What are your thoughts?
I see no real benefit of any flash modifiers except possibly to spread the light across the entire inside of an umbrella/softbox. I dislike the shadows they inevitably produce if ever any rays of light directly strike the subject from near the camera's axis, as well as the specular highlights produced on oily skin.
If I was going the cheapest route, I'd buy used stuff. I was going the cheapest route a while back, and bought used stuff. And I got some pretty good deals overall. I started doing weddings (second shooter) with a 20D and XT, Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6, Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 and Canon 50 f/1.8 II, with a 580EX and possibly one or two Sunpak 383s hot shoe flashes, plus stands.
I would start off with f/2.8 standard zoom - Tamron 28-75 or 17-50 (the 28-75 has less CA and the corners are better), and a fast prime, 50mm, 85mm, etc. The Tamron 17-50 can be had for around $300 used if you look around long enough, or the 28-75 is around for as low as $250 used. A 50mm f/1.4 will save you in many situations - available new for about $315 in some places, or used for $325 (there are many idiots overcharging for their used copies of this lens). The 85 f/1.8 won't get quite as much light but it's a great lens for what it is and how much it costs - as low as about $275, usually around $300 used.
And a powerful flash is a requirement - 580EX I sometimes sells for as low as $240 or so used, and the II sometimes goes for about $320-$340 used.
Tripod is not a necessity for weddings, but it helps a lot when you are taking detail photos.
Two camera bodies is a necessity for doing solo weddings.
I have worked my way up over what I would consider a very long period of time, starting with a Rebel XT and 50mm f/1.8 II, and that was ALL I owned. I wasn't charging for my work back then. Within the past 2 years I have earned enough to pay for a 5D, 40D, 24-70L, 70-200 f/2.8L IS, 85L II, 135L, some sunpak flashes, light stands, radio triggers, etc. I still have gaps in my equipment that I know I could do a better job if I filled, but I have to wait until the money comes. About 65% of the equipment was paid for by wedding work - the other 35% was paid for by portraiture and general event work. This means that I wouldn't have 2/3 of the equipment I have now if not for getting involved in wedding photography - and I'm grateful to those who encouraged me to do so. Within a few months I will have almost every piece of equipment I could need, at long last, and then I'll never be able to excuse any poor quality photos I take with bad equipment because it will be ALL on me.
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<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/mwink.gif" border="0" alt="" > I went the kit route b/c I dont' know what I need, and it isn't that much more to pay, $35. After hearing your advice though, it sounds like my best bet is purcahsing a light scoop ($35), 8 batts ($15) using the charger I have (free), and buying a lens cleaning kit (what do you recc and what is the cost?) I was thinking the kit would be basic bare-bones stuff to get me started and give me back-ups for when I upgrade, but maybe it is just junk(?) What are your thoughts?
A lot of people like to save the money and make their own bounce cards, but I personally love the way the lighting falls when I use my gary fong diffuser.
Quality of light produced - as good or better (depending on the circumstances) as the GF LS and you can build/make them to fit your needs.
That "Universal Light Scoop U1-Standard" you linked to is intended to be attached to your camera, not your external flash (i.e., 580EX). Recommendation - skip it.
Also, I've heard some of you mention lightroom. What type of investment am I looking at and what do you like about it? I have Elements 6.0 and get annoyed by constant updates and it not beling able to manage, especially organize the quanitity of photos I have. Organizing is key to me.
Also, I've heard some of you mention lightroom. What type of investment am I looking at and what do you like about it? I have Elements 6.0 and get annoyed by constant updates and it not beling able to manage, especially organize the quanitity of photos I have. Organizing is key to me.
Then LR is the tool for you. Pricing - google is your friend. Updates - not so often.
LR is a very nice photograph editor. It is also a pretty good DAM (digital asset manager).
I use a micro fiber cloth (I get mine at Wally World in the sporting good dept on the aisle with the binoculars and rifle scopes) that I keep attached to the left side of my neck strap so I am never without......I will upon occasion use a ZEISS lens cloth (pre-wetted cleans tissue, usually on shelves just out side the eye glass dept.)
I agree with Scott 120% 0n LR........I just wish they had came out with it a few years earlier.....
3rd shooting opp, 1st equiptment purchase A little update One of the local photographers has agreed to let me be his third shooter, now he is checking with his clients to make sure that is OK with them. If all goes well, I will be 3<SUP>rd</SUP> shooting for my first wedding at the end of May. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> My first purchase is below: I currently have $1,000 in my account, so this is what I can afford to spend at this time. As I get closer to the wedding I will need to purchase extra batteries (flash and camera) an extra memory card, a tripod and borrow my friend’s rebel as a back up.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Tamron SP AF 17 - 50mm f/2.8 XR DI-II LD Aspherical (IF) Standard Zoom Lens for Canon EOS, 6 Year USA Warranty 440.00<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Canon Speedlite 580EX II, Shoe Mount Flash with Guide Number of 190 Feet / 58m at ISO 100 420.00<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Gary Fong C2 Cloud Lightsphere II Inverted Dome Flash Diffusion System 30.00. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I tried to purchase used and either it wasn’t enough of a price difference, or they didn’t have the actual sales receipt (and therefore warrenty) or I couldn’t find anything comprible used. As time is or the essence, I am purchasing these items and getting familiar with them ASAP. I also had a chat with the technical support folks at Adobe to find out how to fix some of the bugs I have been experiencing with Photoshop Elements so that I can stretch it as far as possible before making the costly upgrade to Photoshop w/ Lightroom.
can you explain? I got a few PM's encouraging the cloud and a few posts on creating my own light scoop (I believe I'm using that term correrctly)
--Lisa
I think he meant stay away from the lightsphere, get an off-camera flash cord and make your own light scoop. A lot cheaper, can be used in more situations, and sometimes (mostly?) better results.
I haven't used one yet, but plan on doing one of the DIY lightscoops.
Take a look at the Demb flip and diffuser, much more versatile than the sphere.
You can use it like the sphere but you can also direct for bounce flash, you can also vary the intensity of the directed flash when needed.
The sphere is similar to shooting bare bulb.....the light is not directional....but omnidirectional and so there is a lot of loss .......that is one reason I have kept my Lumiquest softbox.....the light is softened and spread but it is also ALL going out the front of the softbox....not behind me of up to a 30 or 40 foot ceiling where it is lost.
I happened to have the Ikea shelf liner in the house because I use it to (duh) line my shelves, so figured I had nothing to lose and tried it out just for fun. Haven't had much opportunity to use it yet, but the tests I did were pretty good. And it was free I acutually secured mine permanently into the shape with black duct tape and just slip it on over the head of my flash where it sits nice and tight; I've also experimented with putting a homemade foam BBC/scoop behind it. Pretty impressed so far! I didn't keep the test shots (sorry) but I thought it was a great way to try these tools out without spending....
For what it's worth, if you are looking to save money... skip the tripod.
I've been selling images for 8 years now (I'm a wedding pro), and have never even owned a tripod.
Not that I wouldn't want one, I just am keeping my kit 'bare-bones' (bare-bones to me means 'what I need to do the job correctly'... and for me that's nearly 25k in gear) and a tripod doesn't fit in that scheme.
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Stage one bare bones: your camera and a 17-50 2.8
Stage 2 getting away from bare bones: a flash plus the above.
stage 3 no longer bare bones...... anything else you want to buy:D
I think along with stage one are extra batteries and memory. I think that'd be completely bare bones.
stage 3 is my favorite stage though...
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I have to agree that it did not take long for this thread to go waaaaay beyond barebones ............However we all probably differ on our definition of barebones.....as shown above by cj99si and my definition camera, standard 50 or moderate zoom (17-70) or a 18-250/270, flash and flash bracket and tripod & Xtra Batts.......The 18-250/270 is a slightly slow lens but at the same time for a secondshooter and beginner it can yield great photos..........this to me is barebones:1 cam, 1lens,flash, tripod,X-tra Batts and bracket.........
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Ok, so I am moving forward on things rather quickly, partially due to fate, partially due to an awesome group of advisorsJ. Seriously, you have no idea how much I appreciate all of you! <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I posted this thread looking for equipment suggestions for possibly moving into second shooting at weddings, got a wedding opportunity via my non-picky sister in law, got more suggestions, researched, and here I am: looking at buying some equipment and finding a couple of second shooting options locally over the next few months. (Again, she knows my lack of experience, is making this decison last minute, and can’t really afford to pay a photographer anyway.)<o:p></o:p>
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Tamron 17-50 2.8 glass, 430 ex flash, (?)tripod, extra batteries for the camera & flash as well as a few extra memory cards. I will borrow a second rebel body from one of my friends as a back up, so will be covered in that department. This wish list is getting pretty expensive, relative to me and my budget.<o:p></o:p>
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If you remember the initial $700 was for 2009’s profit, most of which hasn’t come in yet as it’s only March. My mother in law has offered to buy a piece of equipment or two so that the pics are nicer quality (I’m guessing up to $500 but wanted to find out what I’d need and the cost before talking to her). I’m thinking used with a warranty of some type is ideal. I plan to post my wish list on dgrin and see what’s out there. I will also check Adorama.
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My time is pretty limited as I have to be prepared for my SIL’s wedding at the end of August. Also, I work full time as does my husband who is also taking grad classes, we own a house and have two wonderful little ones, so yeah—my schedule is tight. I can however set aside two full days to second shoot (hopefully one this spring and one in early summer) in prep for her wedding. Note: My SIL is happy with my current status, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable enough without more experience and equipment. <o:p></o:p>
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I have checked out photographers in my area and emailed three photographers that I think would be excellent to shadow in some way. Two of them already have second shooters (their wives) but I’m hoping they will still consider me. I have emailed all of them (Krug, DiGiorgio, Kegerreis) and let them know my situation and sent them a link to my site and am waiting for a bite.<o:p></o:p>
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Thanks again! --Lisa <o:p></o:p>
PS: I could use a tripod recc (remember bare bones) <o:p></o:p>
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The recommendations I gave before are even more important now that you are planning to be a primary shooter for your sister-in-law's wedding.
If you cannot find a local photographer who will allow you to tag along on one of their weddings, at least find a local wedding that you can attend and just watch the photographer as they do their work. Watch them not as a bystander but as though they are a teacher and you are a student.
As was suggested write a contract for your SIL to sign that details everything about the wedding so that you and she are clear about what she wants and what you will deliver.
Also build a shot list that you will use to define the shots that you will take and also to define the sequence of shots to make the best use of time.
It would be a good idea if you could actually "mock" the wedding at the church before the event. You wouldn't need to have the full wedding party and they don't need to dress up, but a color scheme of black and white will give you an idea about tones for the actual event.
Also cover the rehearsal as you would the wedding. While you don't need to cover with as many images as the actual wedding, it never ceases to amaze me what can change between events even at the same church. If you shoot the rehearsal you will spot in the images things that you would never notice just by watching.
If you are only able to purchase a single flash I highly recommend the Canon 580EX II or the Sigma EF 530 DG Super as you would appreciate the extra output they provide. A suitable flash modifier is also extremely important.
The "standard" zoom is the most critical lens so that should be a first priority. The EF 50mm, f1.4 USM, mentioned earlier, is much more accurate in focussing than the EF 50mm, f1.8, but get one or the other as you probably will not be able to use flash during the ceremony. If you chose the 50mm, f1.8 then plan on shooting a lot more images with it to compensate for some OOF shots that will happen. Also practice a lot with it looking for the slight changes that you see when the lens "is" in focus versus the softer appearance of an out of focus condition. It's tough to see in the XT viewfinder but you can see it if you become experienced with the diferences.
You will probably be able to shoot with flash during the processional, then turn off the flash for the ceremony, then turn the flash back on for the recessional. Practice that technique until it becomes second nature. You will probably need to bump the ISO up during the ceremony and then back down when you use the flash so make sure you understand and practice all of this a lot until it feels confortable.
You will "need" to shoot RAW and process afterwards so become intimate with the process.
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Also, I have heard back from a local photographer. He is intersted in meeting over coffee to find out more and see more of my work (portraits), so we'll see where that goes. I'm hoping that he will let me shadow him for a few weddings, ideally one at the same location, but I know that is asking for a whole lot. I'm just happy that he responded so quickly and is giving me a chance.
PS: Can you believe this journey has only taken a week (date of my first post)? It would have been so much longer without dgrin! Thanks!!!
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Larger, you'll need a head for the tripod. Most prefer a ball head. RRS makes REALLY nice ones, but at a price. Giotto makes some. Manfrotto makes some (which I have, 488 RC4, and am happy with it, but would prefer a RRS). There's a few others. Make sure it will support all your gear now, and what you plan to have in the future.
Secondly, get a flash diffuser/modifier for the flash. Something to spread out and soften the light a bit.
Thirdly, a nice UV filter for the lens. Something to help with glare as well as protect the glass. I like the Hoya PRO-1 digital UV filter myself. B+W also makes some good filters.
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Stability: Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 Tripod, Manfrotto 488RC4 Ball Head, Manfrotto 679B Monopod
The As far as the UV filter and diffuser, they come (along with a bunch of other stuff) in the kits. I like the kit idea since I don't already have this stuff and it is packaged together and cheaper this way. If I form prefrences later I can always upgrade. Sound good, friends?
<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/wings.gif" border="0" alt="" > Well right now I am uber excited, if you couldn't tell from my cheesy puns and late hours. It looks like I can place my order in the next week or so and will be able to play with everything soon! Thanks for your help!
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Speaking of batteries - you might want to think about getting an additional set or two of them. I've had very good performance from these and, based on others' recommendations, I'm giving these Sanyo Eneloop 2000mAh AA batteries a try at my next shoot. P.S. - with batteries, it's a good idea to use and re-charge them in sets.
Lens - From what I've read, this is a quite good choice. But, I really think you would be better off skipping the "kit" with this for $399 though - but that's a religeous question - to filter or not to filter. I don't use UV filters unless I have UV light I need to remove from the shot (landscape photography) - not an issue at weddings! The rest of that kit - not worth the time/money (but that's just my opinion). If you are going to use a UV filter as lens protection, get a good one. Not all filters are created equal and Tiffen is reputed, at best, to be middle of the pack.
Tripod - I think you will soon determine that these choices are too light even with the gear you have and say you are planning to purchase - especially if you use then outdoors. As a second photographer, I don't think you'll find a call for using a tripod. As a second shooter, I've used mine just once - from the choir loft of a church using a 70-200 at 200mm on a 50D (just to give you a sense of the effective field of view). You may find it much more cost effective, especially in the long run, to save up $500 - $600 and get a good set of legs and head.
Final note - It's really easy for one (such as me) to sit here and help you spend your money - it doesn't hurt me at all.
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Ball head -- look at Acratech.net for good quality (not top but MORE than sweet enough) but less espensive ones. Still lightweight enough to tote around. Also call them, as they often have 'seconds' (paint not 100% perfect, etc) for less. :ivar
For difussers, lookat Lumiquest -- again check their website (fast shipping too!!!) for their seconds at NICE discounts
If you need to reduce glare, then use a polarizer.
I also second the notion of the acratech ballhead. It is pricey though and the knobs are a little small, but overall its terrific.
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I also test my filters so I know how the filters will affect the image quality, or not affect the image quality, under different conditions. I know when I should remove the filter, which is not often. Different lens/filter combinations will be different so test your own equipment.
If you clean a lens without the benefit of a filter as often as you should you will develop micro-scratches that you cannot easily see, but which can affect image quality. A filter is pretty easy to replace as needed.
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If I was going the cheapest route, I'd buy used stuff. I was going the cheapest route a while back, and bought used stuff. And I got some pretty good deals overall. I started doing weddings (second shooter) with a 20D and XT, Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6, Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 and Canon 50 f/1.8 II, with a 580EX and possibly one or two Sunpak 383s hot shoe flashes, plus stands.
I would start off with f/2.8 standard zoom - Tamron 28-75 or 17-50 (the 28-75 has less CA and the corners are better), and a fast prime, 50mm, 85mm, etc. The Tamron 17-50 can be had for around $300 used if you look around long enough, or the 28-75 is around for as low as $250 used. A 50mm f/1.4 will save you in many situations - available new for about $315 in some places, or used for $325 (there are many idiots overcharging for their used copies of this lens). The 85 f/1.8 won't get quite as much light but it's a great lens for what it is and how much it costs - as low as about $275, usually around $300 used.
And a powerful flash is a requirement - 580EX I sometimes sells for as low as $240 or so used, and the II sometimes goes for about $320-$340 used.
Tripod is not a necessity for weddings, but it helps a lot when you are taking detail photos.
Two camera bodies is a necessity for doing solo weddings.
I have worked my way up over what I would consider a very long period of time, starting with a Rebel XT and 50mm f/1.8 II, and that was ALL I owned. I wasn't charging for my work back then. Within the past 2 years I have earned enough to pay for a 5D, 40D, 24-70L, 70-200 f/2.8L IS, 85L II, 135L, some sunpak flashes, light stands, radio triggers, etc. I still have gaps in my equipment that I know I could do a better job if I filled, but I have to wait until the money comes. About 65% of the equipment was paid for by wedding work - the other 35% was paid for by portraiture and general event work. This means that I wouldn't have 2/3 of the equipment I have now if not for getting involved in wedding photography - and I'm grateful to those who encouraged me to do so. Within a few months I will have almost every piece of equipment I could need, at long last, and then I'll never be able to excuse any poor quality photos I take with bad equipment because it will be ALL on me.
Save your 35 bucks on a light scoop and
Try making one of these....
http://www.abetterbouncecard.com/
You can also just cut 2 slits toward the top of your bounce card and staple it so it scoops if you need more light....
I think there is another one you can make that is a scoop but i dont have the link....
The Tamron is a good lense. I bought mine used in December and love it....
Well good luck...
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- Better Bounce Card - Cost, about $2.00
- Light Scoop - Cost, about $4.00
Quality of light produced - as good or better (depending on the circumstances) as the GF LS and you can build/make them to fit your needs.That "Universal Light Scoop U1-Standard" you linked to is intended to be attached to your camera, not your external flash (i.e., 580EX). Recommendation - skip it.
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Any reccs on lens cleaning?
Also, I've heard some of you mention lightroom. What type of investment am I looking at and what do you like about it? I have Elements 6.0 and get annoyed by constant updates and it not beling able to manage, especially organize the quanitity of photos I have. Organizing is key to me.
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LR is a very nice photograph editor. It is also a pretty good DAM (digital asset manager).
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I use a micro fiber cloth (I get mine at Wally World in the sporting good dept on the aisle with the binoculars and rifle scopes) that I keep attached to the left side of my neck strap so I am never without......I will upon occasion use a ZEISS lens cloth (pre-wetted cleans tissue, usually on shelves just out side the eye glass dept.)
I agree with Scott 120% 0n LR........I just wish they had came out with it a few years earlier.....
One of the local photographers has agreed to let me be his third shooter, now he is checking with his clients to make sure that is OK with them. If all goes well, I will be 3<SUP>rd</SUP> shooting for my first wedding at the end of May. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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My first purchase is below: I currently have $1,000 in my account, so this is what I can afford to spend at this time. As I get closer to the wedding I will need to purchase extra batteries (flash and camera) an extra memory card, a tripod and borrow my friend’s rebel as a back up.<o:p></o:p>
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I tried to purchase used and either it wasn’t enough of a price difference, or they didn’t have the actual sales receipt (and therefore warrenty) or I couldn’t find anything comprible used. As time is or the essence, I am purchasing these items and getting familiar with them ASAP.
I also had a chat with the technical support folks at Adobe to find out how to fix some of the bugs I have been experiencing with Photoshop Elements so that I can stretch it as far as possible before making the costly upgrade to Photoshop w/ Lightroom.
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Stay away and buy an off-camera flash cord. Your images will be loads better and much more creative.
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can you explain? I got a few PM's encouraging the cloud and a few posts on creating my own light scoop (I believe I'm using that term correrctly)
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I think he meant stay away from the lightsphere, get an off-camera flash cord and make your own light scoop. A lot cheaper, can be used in more situations, and sometimes (mostly?) better results.
I haven't used one yet, but plan on doing one of the DIY lightscoops.
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Bodies: Canon 50D, Canon EOS 1
Lenses: Canon 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS, Canon 50mm f/1.4, Canon 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8
Lighting: Canon 580EXII, Canon 420 EX, 12" Reflector, Pocket Wizard Plus II (3), AB800 (3), Large Softbox
Stability: Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 Tripod, Manfrotto 488RC4 Ball Head, Manfrotto 679B Monopod
You can use it like the sphere but you can also direct for bounce flash, you can also vary the intensity of the directed flash when needed.
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Here's the link talking about it http://www.gearlog.com/2009/02/the_photographers_20162_diy_fl.php and here's the one to the instructions http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Gary-Fong-Lightsphere/
I happened to have the Ikea shelf liner in the house because I use it to (duh) line my shelves, so figured I had nothing to lose and tried it out just for fun. Haven't had much opportunity to use it yet, but the tests I did were pretty good. And it was free
I've been selling images for 8 years now (I'm a wedding pro), and have never even owned a tripod.
Not that I wouldn't want one, I just am keeping my kit 'bare-bones' (bare-bones to me means 'what I need to do the job correctly'... and for me that's nearly 25k in gear) and a tripod doesn't fit in that scheme.
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