Question that others may have as well (asking this before I go to try it): Can thumbnail choices and other display choices (i.e. watermarking) be set to match one another in the smart gallery?
Question that others may have as well (asking this before I go to try it): Can thumbnail choices and other display choices (i.e. watermarking) be set to match one another in the smart gallery?
sure but remember - the collected photos will respect the settings from their original gallery.
sure but remember - the collected photos will respect the settings from their original gallery.
Ok, I wasn't sure I "got" the implications of that. But I think I do now-- you're saying we can make the smart gallery's photos have matching appearances with same watermarks & all-square thumbs if we want, even though the original gallery may have other settings. And that original gallery's photos will keep its settings. If I'm wrong, straighten me out! Ok, I gotta try this now.
Yay! This comes very close to letting me do everything I want to do organizationally -- if only the Smart Rules date selection could offer a relative date range (e.g., uploaded within the last 30 days). With the current absolute date range (between date x and y), I'll need to keep changing the "from" date to pull my newest photos to my "New Stuff" smart gallery. Just something to keep in mind as you develop enhancements...
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If I set up a smart gallery using the "popular" setting, will that gallery update as images change in popularity or will I have to delete it and start all over to show any updates in popularity?
I set up a trial smart gallery based on my keyword "backlighting". Here it is: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Nature/Backlighting/11067505_iRxww#399604563_a4CL8 . As far as I can tell, I can't make these photos behave independently from their native gallery. I'm guessing that's because it's keyword-based, but is there some way I can override that in a smart gallery, or do it in a different way? In other words, I tried in the original smart gallery settings, and then in gallery settings to make the thumbs all square, but they're not... unless it's taking an unusually long time. Similarly, I cannot delete any or arrange them.
One other problem I have had with keyword-based galleries, and I'll state it here since many folks making smart galleries based on a keyword: since I have often had multiple copies of a photo in several galleries, I get some photos showing up a bunch of times in my keyword gallery, which is pretty annoying. What would be handy is if the keyword gallery "knew" not to return an image more than once for its display.
Would there be any "fix" for this in the future, and is there a way I could over-ride it or fool the keyword system for now? With the new Smart Gallery, I thought I could just delete the extras, or arrange them so the extras are all in the last pages. But I can't do either one, presumably because keyword-based Smart Galleries act differently from other Smart Galleries. Just wonderin'.
I set up a trial smart gallery based on my keyword "backlighting". Here it is: http://www.winsomeworks.com/Nature/Backlighting/11067505_iRxww#399604563_a4CL8 . As far as I can tell, I can't make these photos behave independently from their native gallery. I'm guessing that's because it's keyword-based, but is there some way I can override that in a smart gallery, or do it in a different way? In other words, I tried in the original smart gallery settings, and then in gallery settings to make the thumbs all square, but they're not... unless it's taking an unusually long time. Similarly, I cannot delete any or arrange them.
That is correct. The images do not work independently from the original image and gallery. This is because it is creating a shortcut to the image from the original copy. That means if you change the original gallery to Square thumbs the Smart gallery or collected version will update also. The Smart Gallery is basically an alias to the original.
You cannot delete images from a Smart Gallery. It sounds like you might be better off using Collected images instead. That way you can pick and choose individual images to include in a gallery. http://www.smugmug.com/help/collecting-photos
You cannot currently Arrange images in a collection or smart gallery. We're working on that for the next version.
One other problem I have had with keyword-based galleries, and I'll state it here since many folks making smart galleries based on a keyword: since I have often had multiple copies of a photo in several galleries, I get some photos showing up a bunch of times in my keyword gallery, which is pretty annoying. What would be handy is if the keyword gallery "knew" not to return an image more than once for its display.
Would there be any "fix" for this in the future, and is there a way I could over-ride it or fool the keyword system for now? With the new Smart Gallery, I thought I could just delete the extras, or arrange them so the extras are all in the last pages. But I can't do either one, presumably because keyword-based Smart Galleries act differently from other Smart Galleries. Just wonderin'.
The problem with having duplicate images on your site with the same keywords is that we don't know they're identical images since they have different ImageID's. We see them as separate unique images. To get around this you would have to delete all the duplicates on your site and you could replace them with Collected Images instead. So you would have the image on your site once but you could have it in multiple galleries wither through Smart Filters or Collections.
Great feature - I can see lots of uses for this (though some need a little more on your side). One obvious one would be a gallery of user 'picks' - and this would also fulfil another wishlist feature.
However, at this stage I have a question about a keyword-based smart gallery.
Basically, I created a new gallery based on a special keyword. Worked fine.
I then removed the keyword from a few of the photos. However they are still showing in the smart gallery.
I would have expected them to disappear once I removed the keyword on the 'original' photo.
Great feature, but...
OK, first of all: Thanks for the Smart/Virtual Gallery feature! I am sure it is useful for lots of people and could save you guys some serious storage capacity.
BUT
It is not useful for me YET. Let me tell you why. I shoot dance competitions and put all my photos online for everyone to look at and, hopefully, order. However, there are some couples that I 'sponsor' by giving them their photos for free. I solve this by uploading only their photos again to a separate, unlisted, gallery with less restrictive settings, so they can just go in and save the original files. I thought smart galleries would save me some serious uploading time by making this extra uploading step redundant, but the inheritance of settings from the original gallery makes it impossible for my sponsored couples to download the original files.
Would it be possible to make the inheritance of settings optional, or at least 'overridable'? Maybe in version 1.1? ;-)
Great feature - I can see lots of uses for this (though some need a little more on your side). One obvious one would be a gallery of user 'picks' - and this would also fulfil another wishlist feature.
However, at this stage I have a question about a keyword-based smart gallery.
Basically, I created a new gallery based on a special keyword. Worked fine.
I then removed the keyword from a few of the photos. However they are still showing in the smart gallery.
I would have expected them to disappear once I removed the keyword on the 'original' photo.
Am I doing something wrong here ?
Thanks, Frank
Frank, I'm just reading answers to my own question here, but saw yours & I think it's just that the keywords haven't updated yet. (you should see "indexing: keywords" in the keyword box if you click on one that you just fixed). If so, that means it's still working. This can take a day, I believe.
Great feature - I can see lots of uses for this (though some need a little more on your side). One obvious one would be a gallery of user 'picks' - and this would also fulfil another wishlist feature.
However, at this stage I have a question about a keyword-based smart gallery.
Basically, I created a new gallery based on a special keyword. Worked fine.
I then removed the keyword from a few of the photos. However they are still showing in the smart gallery.
I would have expected them to disappear once I removed the keyword on the 'original' photo.
Am I doing something wrong here ?
Thanks, Frank
Hi Frank! This is the building blocks for user picks. Stay tuned!
As for the keyword Smart Gallery please give the gallery a little time to update. If you remove the keyword it will not instantly be removed. It needs to get reindexed first.
Just to make sure I understand. If I have sports galleries of kids that have to be password protected, I cannot use smart galleries. Is that true?
You can make Smart Galleries of your own images that are in Password and/or Unlisted Galleries: http://www.smugmug.com/photos/774820568_vwbyj-X3.jpg. You cannot Collect or use a Smart filter on images in Password Protected or Unlisted Galleries that you do not own.
That is correct. The images do not work independently from the original image and gallery. This is because it is creating a shortcut to the image from the original copy. That means if you change the original gallery to Square thumbs the Smart gallery or collected version will update also. The Smart Gallery is basically an alias to the original.
You cannot delete images from a Smart Gallery. It sounds like you might be better off using Collected images instead. That way you can pick and choose individual images to include in a gallery. http://www.smugmug.com/help/collecting-photos
You cannot currently Arrange images in a collection or smart gallery. We're working on that for the next version.
The problem with having duplicate images on your site with the same keywords is that we don't know they're identical images since they have different ImageID's. We see them as separate unique images. To get around this you would have to delete all the duplicates on your site and you could replace them with Collected Images instead. So you would have the image on your site once but you could have it in multiple galleries wither through Smart Filters or Collections.
Ok, thanks, Nick. I think I didn't understand that a collection or a smart gallery were in reality 2 different things... thought they behaved the same. A couple statements should be added to the descriptions to clarify this. And I think we're getting some conflicting info. from admins in this thread... The only part I'm confused about in your statement is: "You cannot currently Arrange images in a collection or smart gallery". I thought someone (Andy?) just said arranging was now fixed (this morning). Perhaps they meant it's fixed in a collection? And that you can arrange in a collection? But can't in a Smart Gallery? In which case, you maybe didn't mean to word your sentence that way.
Ok, so it sounds like what I should be doing instead is creating a gallery, then choosing photos for it. Then I'll be able to delete and arrange, etc., right? And yes, I see that I should probably go around my site and do as you suggest: replace dups with collected photos. I wish they wouldn't all have that statement on them though--"see this photo in original gallery" unless I wanted people to see it for some reason. ('cause I will have whole galleries in which practically every photo says that-- yuck!)
You can make Smart Galleries of your own images that are in Password and/or Unlisted Galleries: http://www.smugmug.com/photos/774820568_vwbyj-X3.jpg. You cannot Collect or use a Smart filter on images in Password Protected or Unlisted Galleries that you do not own.
Cool. I'll have to try that out then to see if it really works.
There are 2 deal-breaking issues with this collection feature as I see it.
1) Inherits the parent gallery's permissions.
Why it's bad: I have portfolio galleries that are limited to L or XL sizes. I have secure proofing galleries that go up to original size. I want to take some of the best shots from proofs and feature them in my portfolio. Now I have originals in my public portfolio. Bad.
2) Forbids reorganization in "arrange mode".
Why it's bad: I want 100% control of the look and feel of my galleries. I want my best work prominently displayed. My most recent work is generally my best work. I don't want my best work buried at the bottom of a page, or worse, at the bottom of page 4 of some gallery. Given these flaws, I can't see this being much use for me personally, which is a real shame. If these issues were fixed, my life would be so much easier when it comes to updating my portfolio.
Hi Andy, Sebastian,
I'm also having problems with the "arrange" feature in my collection gallery not sorting properly. I have it set to arrange by "Date Taken" (descending) but it's in no order that I can figure out: http://leftquark.smugmug.com/Photography/favorites/
Thanks for this feature! I have had a gallery called "My Favorites" in which I would upload a duplicate copy of my favorite photos to. Now I don't need to duplicate the uploads! This is great! Now if the sorting would work :P
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Just to play devils advocate...
You all know I LOVE SmugMug and will never leave, but I'm going to bust your balls on this one. Just because I know that honest consumer feedback is what you guys THRIVE on. So here goes!
This feature is not useful at all to me the way it is set up. I spent years settling on the best ways to organize my galleries and this feature isn't nearly as useful as an extra level of gallery organization would have been. It's ironic that you resist creating another level of gallery organization because it "makes gallery organization too complicated" ...when we've been developing virtual galleries and now smart galleries, which honestly sound like a nightmare to organize...
The feature might be useful if it had two improvements:
First, like PiEp mentioned, it'd be awesome if we could do these things with invisible galleries, and use smart galleries to over-ride settings like original downloads. THAT would be useful. So that, for example, I could continue to sell prints of to parents while giving a vendor or director access to at-cost prints, or original downloads. Let me know if / when smart galleries can do THAT?
SECOND, and this is the big one for me, I'd LOVE to allow CLIENTS to create a smart collection of their 50-100 favorite images, for album design and stuff like that. The way it is, clients have to jot down the image number in an email to me, then I have to go back into Bridge and flag those images, retouch / edit them, and then replace them one by one in the gallery. Basically, it's the worst time-wasting part of my usually lightning fast workflow.
I know that Shoot Dot Edit stuff is coming, and I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to be able to allow clients to flag X number of images, and just have me go in and click "hey album designer / retouching service, use this smart gallery for this couple's wedding album!"
NOW THAT WOULD BE MORE MAGICAL THAN THE IPAD!
Just pushin' you guys to be better than the competition!
=Matt=
Frank, I'm just reading answers to my own question here, but saw yours & I think it's just that the keywords haven't updated yet. (you should see "indexing: keywords" in the keyword box if you click on one that you just fixed). If so, that means it's still working. This can take a day, I believe.
OK - I'll wait a while a see if they disappear (been about 3 hours now). However, the smart gallery populated itself quickly - I wonder why it takes so much longer for photos to disappear ?
Hi Andy, Sebastian,
I'm also having problems with the "arrange" feature in my collection gallery not sorting properly. I have it set to arrange by "Date Taken" (descending) but it's in no order that I can figure out: http://leftquark.smugmug.com/Photography/favorites/
Thanks for this feature! I have had a gallery called "My Favorites" in which I would upload a duplicate copy of my favorite photos to. Now I don't need to duplicate the uploads! This is great! Now if the sorting would work :P
OK - I'll wait a while a see if they disappear (been about 3 hours now). However, the smart gallery populated itself quickly - I wonder why it takes so much longer for photos to disappear ?
Thanks.
Got tired waiting - deleted the gallery and recreated it, same Smart Gallery Rule. All OK now.
Smart Galleries and Facebook
I created a Smart Gallery based on the the keywords, waterfall and waterfalls and then tried to share it on Facebook with the "Be Social" option. The link showed up on Facebook and was titled Waterfalls but when I clicked on the link, instead of going to the Waterfalls Smart Gallery it went to the original gallery in this case the Great Smoky Mountains, the only way I could get around this was to just copy the Waterfall Smart Gallery URL and paste it as a link in Facebook.
Is there a fix so the "Be Social" link on facebook will go to the Smart Gallery and not the original gallery.
Got tired waiting - deleted the gallery and recreated it, same Smart Gallery Rule. All OK now.
Frank, remember I (and Nick, I think) said it can take a day for re-indexing of keywords. Keywords are a site-wide thing-- they aren't just showing on your own site. Also, they are often searchable through search engines (if your gallery is public & Google-able). I've seen it take longer than a day, actually. It's been that way as long as I can remember.
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One other problem I have had with keyword-based galleries, and I'll state it here since many folks making smart galleries based on a keyword: since I have often had multiple copies of a photo in several galleries, I get some photos showing up a bunch of times in my keyword gallery, which is pretty annoying. What would be handy is if the keyword gallery "knew" not to return an image more than once for its display.
Would there be any "fix" for this in the future, and is there a way I could over-ride it or fool the keyword system for now? With the new Smart Gallery, I thought I could just delete the extras, or arrange them so the extras are all in the last pages. But I can't do either one, presumably because keyword-based Smart Galleries act differently from other Smart Galleries. Just wonderin'.
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You cannot delete images from a Smart Gallery. It sounds like you might be better off using Collected images instead. That way you can pick and choose individual images to include in a gallery. http://www.smugmug.com/help/collecting-photos
You cannot currently Arrange images in a collection or smart gallery. We're working on that for the next version.
The problem with having duplicate images on your site with the same keywords is that we don't know they're identical images since they have different ImageID's. We see them as separate unique images. To get around this you would have to delete all the duplicates on your site and you could replace them with Collected Images instead. So you would have the image on your site once but you could have it in multiple galleries wither through Smart Filters or Collections.
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However, at this stage I have a question about a keyword-based smart gallery.
Basically, I created a new gallery based on a special keyword. Worked fine.
I then removed the keyword from a few of the photos. However they are still showing in the smart gallery.
I would have expected them to disappear once I removed the keyword on the 'original' photo.
Am I doing something wrong here ?
Thanks, Frank
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OK, first of all: Thanks for the Smart/Virtual Gallery feature! I am sure it is useful for lots of people and could save you guys some serious storage capacity.
BUT
It is not useful for me YET. Let me tell you why. I shoot dance competitions and put all my photos online for everyone to look at and, hopefully, order. However, there are some couples that I 'sponsor' by giving them their photos for free. I solve this by uploading only their photos again to a separate, unlisted, gallery with less restrictive settings, so they can just go in and save the original files. I thought smart galleries would save me some serious uploading time by making this extra uploading step redundant, but the inheritance of settings from the original gallery makes it impossible for my sponsored couples to download the original files.
Would it be possible to make the inheritance of settings optional, or at least 'overridable'? Maybe in version 1.1? ;-)
you should be able to create and populate from the same "tool"
weird work flow right now.
1. find some cool photos
2. exit gallery
3. create new gallery
4. go back to photos
5. start adding them through collect tool to newly created gallery
should be
1. find some cool photos
2. click collect photo
3. chose existing gallery, or create new one
4. add photos to that gallery
put all capabilities into the interface, don't cripple it.
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As for the keyword Smart Gallery please give the gallery a little time to update. If you remove the keyword it will not instantly be removed. It needs to get reindexed first.
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Ok, thanks, Nick. I think I didn't understand that a collection or a smart gallery were in reality 2 different things... thought they behaved the same. A couple statements should be added to the descriptions to clarify this. And I think we're getting some conflicting info. from admins in this thread... The only part I'm confused about in your statement is: "You cannot currently Arrange images in a collection or smart gallery". I thought someone (Andy?) just said arranging was now fixed (this morning). Perhaps they meant it's fixed in a collection? And that you can arrange in a collection? But can't in a Smart Gallery? In which case, you maybe didn't mean to word your sentence that way.
Ok, so it sounds like what I should be doing instead is creating a gallery, then choosing photos for it. Then I'll be able to delete and arrange, etc., right? And yes, I see that I should probably go around my site and do as you suggest: replace dups with collected photos. I wish they wouldn't all have that statement on them though--"see this photo in original gallery" unless I wanted people to see it for some reason. ('cause I will have whole galleries in which practically every photo says that-- yuck!)
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1) Inherits the parent gallery's permissions.
Why it's bad: I have portfolio galleries that are limited to L or XL sizes. I have secure proofing galleries that go up to original size. I want to take some of the best shots from proofs and feature them in my portfolio. Now I have originals in my public portfolio. Bad.
2) Forbids reorganization in "arrange mode".
Why it's bad: I want 100% control of the look and feel of my galleries. I want my best work prominently displayed. My most recent work is generally my best work. I don't want my best work buried at the bottom of a page, or worse, at the bottom of page 4 of some gallery. Given these flaws, I can't see this being much use for me personally, which is a real shame. If these issues were fixed, my life would be so much easier when it comes to updating my portfolio.
Hi Andy, Sebastian,
I'm also having problems with the "arrange" feature in my collection gallery not sorting properly. I have it set to arrange by "Date Taken" (descending) but it's in no order that I can figure out:
http://leftquark.smugmug.com/Photography/favorites/
Thanks for this feature! I have had a gallery called "My Favorites" in which I would upload a duplicate copy of my favorite photos to. Now I don't need to duplicate the uploads! This is great! Now if the sorting would work :P
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You all know I LOVE SmugMug and will never leave, but I'm going to bust your balls on this one. Just because I know that honest consumer feedback is what you guys THRIVE on. So here goes!
This feature is not useful at all to me the way it is set up. I spent years settling on the best ways to organize my galleries and this feature isn't nearly as useful as an extra level of gallery organization would have been. It's ironic that you resist creating another level of gallery organization because it "makes gallery organization too complicated" ...when we've been developing virtual galleries and now smart galleries, which honestly sound like a nightmare to organize...
The feature might be useful if it had two improvements:
First, like PiEp mentioned, it'd be awesome if we could do these things with invisible galleries, and use smart galleries to over-ride settings like original downloads. THAT would be useful. So that, for example, I could continue to sell prints of to parents while giving a vendor or director access to at-cost prints, or original downloads. Let me know if / when smart galleries can do THAT?
SECOND, and this is the big one for me, I'd LOVE to allow CLIENTS to create a smart collection of their 50-100 favorite images, for album design and stuff like that. The way it is, clients have to jot down the image number in an email to me, then I have to go back into Bridge and flag those images, retouch / edit them, and then replace them one by one in the gallery. Basically, it's the worst time-wasting part of my usually lightning fast workflow.
I know that Shoot Dot Edit stuff is coming, and I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to be able to allow clients to flag X number of images, and just have me go in and click "hey album designer / retouching service, use this smart gallery for this couple's wedding album!"
NOW THAT WOULD BE MORE MAGICAL THAN THE IPAD!
Just pushin' you guys to be better than the competition!
=Matt=
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OK - I'll wait a while a see if they disappear (been about 3 hours now). However, the smart gallery populated itself quickly - I wonder why it takes so much longer for photos to disappear ?
Thanks.
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Got tired waiting - deleted the gallery and recreated it, same Smart Gallery Rule. All OK now.
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I created a Smart Gallery based on the the keywords, waterfall and waterfalls and then tried to share it on Facebook with the "Be Social" option. The link showed up on Facebook and was titled Waterfalls but when I clicked on the link, instead of going to the Waterfalls Smart Gallery it went to the original gallery in this case the Great Smoky Mountains, the only way I could get around this was to just copy the Waterfall Smart Gallery URL and paste it as a link in Facebook.
Is there a fix so the "Be Social" link on facebook will go to the Smart Gallery and not the original gallery.
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