Dave, I have no intention of trying to let people forget. I am getting to know you guys, and I KNOW you will never forget
I am working on moving to a new thread to make everything fresh, as well as give a personal view. I have been tailoring it off and on, and as I said, you have no one to blame but me. But, just so you know, there will be no timeline or discussion of any specific features. Just giving you forewarning so you will not be disappointed.
Michael
Please advice as to what the point then is of a new thread, except of course to lessen embarrassment for you.
Please advice as to what the point then is of a new thread, except of course to lessen embarrassment for you.
Malte
Malte,
This thread isn't going anywhere, so it will always be accesible. I am simply trying to provide an update from a personal view, as well as give you a newer thread to provide comments on.
We have talked plenty about specific features in the past on here and on the feedback forum. But I think Baldy's latest interview on TWiP can give you a better understanding of the world we are living in.
What I'm asking is.... what's left, if no specific features and no timeline? I honestly don't understand what else there is to talk about. And does that mean there really isn't going to be any more input / ideas from current SmugMuggers for the new designs? I think that's what people were gathering, as this thread and the great creative pulse it had going there for awhile really died. --Anna Lisa
What I'm asking is.... what's left, if no specific features and no timeline? I honestly don't understand what else there is to talk about. And does that mean there really isn't going to be any more input / ideas from current SmugMuggers for the new designs? I think that's what people were gathering, as this thread and the great creative pulse it had going there for awhile really died. --Anna Lisa
Anna,
I simply respond to people when they post. People seem to want to talk about it, so I continue to respond. We are ALWAYS accepting input and ideas, and the feedback forum is our main portal for hearing our customers ideas. I am in the process of cleaning it up, to make it easier to sort through and search the user suggested ideas.
Welp, I've decided to stick around for the long haul I think. With the new squarespace integration I believe I've found what I've been looking for. Well done smuggy!
I wish we could use their templates with our SM sites
James Geiger M. Ed.
"Being a photographer is not about taking a photograph, it is about being curious about life."
~ Jared Platt http://www.jamesgeigerphoto.com
Welp, I've decided to stick around for the long haul I think. With the new squarespace integration I believe I've found what I've been looking for. Well done smuggy!
Glad you like it! I think it is a great integration also
Welp, I've decided to stick around for the long haul I think. With the new squarespace integration I believe I've found what I've been looking for. Well done smuggy!
What are we talking about here? What's the new squarespace integration? Is there another thread for this whole "New Design" thing now?
I simply respond to people when they post. People seem to want to talk about it, so I continue to respond. We are ALWAYS accepting input and ideas, and the feedback forum is our main portal for hearing our customers ideas. I am in the process of cleaning it up, to make it easier to sort through and search the user suggested ideas.
Michael
Well, the feedback forum wasn't the place where people were going for this particular New Design discussion. The problem is, when you're talking about an entire new look that includes a whole bunch of different ideas (old and new), it's just not possible to integrate that discussion / feedback into a forum that works by a whole lot of disjointed threads. Conversely, this thread was keeping ideas together in the same place, & the beginning of this thread also gives people the info on how to even see the new design on their sites, etc. I don't know how to explain it very well, but if you read back through a lot of this thread, you see what I mean pretty quickly. For instance, people were looking at & playing with the new design to see how it worked so far. Then they'd jot down a list of notes about what works well & what doesn't, in their eyes. If you separate that out into a gazillion different feedback threads, it's just all lost in the jumble. Also, people were often illustrating their ideas with screen shots, links, etc... Feedback Forum isn't set up that way. I also don't think many of the people who had great ideas in this thread are now going to go over to the FF & re-write their ideas over there. -- "Anna Lisa"
Well, the feedback forum wasn't the place where people were going for this particular New Design discussion. The problem is, when you're talking about an entire new look that includes a whole bunch of different ideas (old and new), it's just not possible to integrate that discussion / feedback into a forum that works by a whole lot of disjointed threads. Conversely, this thread was keeping ideas together in the same place, & the beginning of this thread also gives people the info on how to even see the new design on their sites, etc. I don't know how to explain it very well, but if you read back through a lot of this thread, you see what I mean pretty quickly. For instance, people were looking at & playing with the new design to see how it worked so far. Then they'd jot down a list of notes about what works well & what doesn't, in their eyes. If you separate that out into a gazillion different feedback threads, it's just all lost in the jumble. Also, people were often illustrating their ideas with screen shots, links, etc... Feedback Forum isn't set up that way. I also don't think many of the people who had great ideas in this thread are now going to go over to the FF & re-write their ideas over there. -- "Anna Lisa"
Anna Lisa,
I apologize for the incorrect name in the other thread...you look at a computer screen 20 hours a day, your eyes start to see things, and your brain just moves your fingers to type. I apologize.
You are 100% correct. This was the approach when this thread was launched. We very quickly learned that it wasn't just our customers patrolling the dgrin threads, but also our competitors and patent trolls. Unfortunately, this is the way of the technology world in 2013. So we had to adjust our way of thinking and our development. While we HATED to do it, it was necessary. And I do think our customers will understand our reasoning when the time comes.
As for the SquareSpace integration, you can read about it on our blog.
Getting tired of the same old SmugMug lines about the update? Here's some modified movie quotes to hold you over. Feel free to add your own.
The greatest trick SmugMug ever pulled was convincing the world there was going to be an update.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Believing a SmugMug update is going to happen"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
What we've got here is... failure to communicate about the update
Well every person you can know,
And every place that you can go,
And any thing that you can show,
You know they're nouns.
Was there a desicion to not do the new thread or have I missed it? With no new info, I'd agree with skipping it, but if it exists I'd like to follow it.
I'm actively looking for a new website host because my fear is SmugMug is not going to survive the long haul because they are simply falling too far behind the competition.
I'm currently working on my new squarespace design - I'll share when it's live.
I'm still uncertain if I'll leave SM, though I might downgrade from business to portfolio for now to save some $$. Still hoping for the features we all want.
I'm currently working on my new squarespace design - I'll share when it's live.
I'm still uncertain if I'll leave SM, though I might downgrade from business to portfolio for now to save some $$. Still hoping for the features we all want.
Hi Bike,
Have you seen the new bridge capabilities between SmugMug and Squarespace?
I did see that news. And frankly, I could not figure out the benefit. If you have the unlimited Squarespace account, you can post all the photos you like directly to Squarespace, using some of their nice photogallery templates. Therefore, really no need for Smugmug.
Otherwise, this link appears to be yet another benefit for Smugmug Pros, who can (somehow) justify $150 to $300 for Smugmug PLUS another $192 per year for Squarespace.
For us lowly Power users, I consider that kinda pricy to add a nice blog to your $60 Smugmug page, dontchathink?
Is news like this suppose to make SmugMug customers happy?
Every time I see news like this I become angry.
I don't recall seeing SquareSpace integration at the top of the features request list.
This is the sort of bullpucky that makes me question why I continue to stay with SmugMug after the price hike.
Many of my fellow photographers have left SmugMug and moved on to other sites.
I keep telling them that they made the wrong choice but now I am beginning to think I am the one who made the wrong choice.
They keep telling me that by the time SmugMug makes updates, that the updates will be outdated.
The fact that SmugMug doesn't give out dates, only adds insult to the situation and frustrates the CRUD out of me.
The same old answers are getting old quick.
Give me some tangible reasons to stay.
Have a nice day everyone,
--Shawn
Shawn,
The Squarespace integration is on their end. It did not involve work on the SmugMug side. I was simply connecting the dots for Nick, since he also has a Squarespace site.
I did see that news. And frankly, I could not figure out the benefit. If you have the unlimited Squarespace account, you can post all the photos you like directly to Squarespace, using some of their nice photogallery templates. Therefore, really no need for Smugmug.
Otherwise, this link appears to be yet another benefit for Smugmug Pros, who can (somehow) justify $150 to $300 for Smugmug PLUS another $192 per year for Squarespace.
For us lowly Power users, I consider that kinda pricy to add a nice blog to your $60 Smugmug page, dontchathink?
As I said above, this was on the Squarespace side. The benefits of being able to sell prints through your Squarespace site is pretty cool for alot of current Squarespace customers. We have heard nothing but positive feedback from the users who have been bridging the two.
Sorry,
I thought this was a thread about SmugMugs sneak peak at a "New" design.
Why did SmugMug bother to launch this thread in the first place?
It certainly wasn't for communication of updates.
It's been stagnant with nothing new.
This forum has gone down hill.
Bring back Andy!
--Shawn
Shawn,
Andy would be telling you the same things I am telling you. I was not here when this thread was launched, so I can't speak to that question. I was simply trying to help a customer who happened to use SmugMug and Squarespace, and who, as it appears, didn't know they worked well together.
Yep, as I mentioned earlier in this thread I'm quite excited about the integration. It very well might be the reason I stay with SM if it works out as planned.
But I have to say, I'm simply blown away with squarespace as I'm building my new site. The blog integration, easy customization, SEO, mobile sites, mobile apps & posting are seemingly light years ahead of SM.
My current plan is to have my entire front end hosted on squarespace (moving domain from SM) and keep SM for my clients at least through my next renewal. SM still has the best printing services IMO and many things I still really like. But for front end appearance for users like myself there is no comparison. Perhaps eventually I'll switch back to SM for all my web-related needs, but time will tell.
I did something similar, but developed my own site with Wordpress. Then dropped my smugmug account down to basic since I'll only be using it for backup and events. I've been following these threads and finally just lost hope that smugmug would ever deliver a better front-end experience.
I did something similar, but developed my own site with Wordpress. Then dropped my smugmug account down to basic since I'll only be using it for backup and events. I've been following these threads and finally just lost hope that smugmug would ever deliver a better front-end experience.
bryanbrazil.com
Super looking site Bryan, congratualtions! What template did you use?
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Please advice as to what the point then is of a new thread, except of course to lessen embarrassment for you.
Malte
Malte,
This thread isn't going anywhere, so it will always be accesible. I am simply trying to provide an update from a personal view, as well as give you a newer thread to provide comments on.
Michael
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What I'm asking is.... what's left, if no specific features and no timeline? I honestly don't understand what else there is to talk about. And does that mean there really isn't going to be any more input / ideas from current SmugMuggers for the new designs? I think that's what people were gathering, as this thread and the great creative pulse it had going there for awhile really died. --Anna Lisa
DayBreak, my Folk Music Group (some free mp3s!) http://daybreakfolk.com
Anna,
I simply respond to people when they post. People seem to want to talk about it, so I continue to respond. We are ALWAYS accepting input and ideas, and the feedback forum is our main portal for hearing our customers ideas. I am in the process of cleaning it up, to make it easier to sort through and search the user suggested ideas.
Michael
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"Being a photographer is not about taking a photograph, it is about being curious about life."
~ Jared Platt
http://www.jamesgeigerphoto.com
Glad you like it! I think it is a great integration also
Michael Bonocore
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What are we talking about here? What's the new squarespace integration? Is there another thread for this whole "New Design" thing now?
DayBreak, my Folk Music Group (some free mp3s!) http://daybreakfolk.com
DayBreak, my Folk Music Group (some free mp3s!) http://daybreakfolk.com
Anna Lisa,
I apologize for the incorrect name in the other thread...you look at a computer screen 20 hours a day, your eyes start to see things, and your brain just moves your fingers to type. I apologize.
You are 100% correct. This was the approach when this thread was launched. We very quickly learned that it wasn't just our customers patrolling the dgrin threads, but also our competitors and patent trolls. Unfortunately, this is the way of the technology world in 2013. So we had to adjust our way of thinking and our development. While we HATED to do it, it was necessary. And I do think our customers will understand our reasoning when the time comes.
As for the SquareSpace integration, you can read about it on our blog.
http://news.smugmug.com/2013/02/13/smugmug-x-squarespace-gorgeous-portfolio-websites
Again, I sincerely apologize!
Michael
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Sony is making a PS4? Sweet!
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Holiday season 2013 then?
The greatest trick SmugMug ever pulled was convincing the world there was going to be an update.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Believing a SmugMug update is going to happen"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
What we've got here is... failure to communicate about the update
And every place that you can go,
And any thing that you can show,
You know they're nouns.
Was there a desicion to not do the new thread or have I missed it? With no new info, I'd agree with skipping it, but if it exists I'd like to follow it.
Malte
Richard.
http://www.richardparisphotography.ca/
I'm still uncertain if I'll leave SM, though I might downgrade from business to portfolio for now to save some $$. Still hoping for the features we all want.
Hi Bike,
Have you seen the new bridge capabilities between SmugMug and Squarespace?
http://news.smugmug.com/2013/02/13/smugmug-x-squarespace-gorgeous-portfolio-websites/
Michael
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I did see that news. And frankly, I could not figure out the benefit. If you have the unlimited Squarespace account, you can post all the photos you like directly to Squarespace, using some of their nice photogallery templates. Therefore, really no need for Smugmug.
Otherwise, this link appears to be yet another benefit for Smugmug Pros, who can (somehow) justify $150 to $300 for Smugmug PLUS another $192 per year for Squarespace.
For us lowly Power users, I consider that kinda pricy to add a nice blog to your $60 Smugmug page, dontchathink?
Shawn,
The Squarespace integration is on their end. It did not involve work on the SmugMug side. I was simply connecting the dots for Nick, since he also has a Squarespace site.
Michael
Facebook
Google+
Twitter
Photo Blog
As I said above, this was on the Squarespace side. The benefits of being able to sell prints through your Squarespace site is pretty cool for alot of current Squarespace customers. We have heard nothing but positive feedback from the users who have been bridging the two.
Michael
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Google+
Twitter
Photo Blog
Shawn,
Andy would be telling you the same things I am telling you. I was not here when this thread was launched, so I can't speak to that question. I was simply trying to help a customer who happened to use SmugMug and Squarespace, and who, as it appears, didn't know they worked well together.
Michael
Facebook
Google+
Twitter
Photo Blog
Yep, as I mentioned earlier in this thread I'm quite excited about the integration. It very well might be the reason I stay with SM if it works out as planned.
But I have to say, I'm simply blown away with squarespace as I'm building my new site. The blog integration, easy customization, SEO, mobile sites, mobile apps & posting are seemingly light years ahead of SM.
My current plan is to have my entire front end hosted on squarespace (moving domain from SM) and keep SM for my clients at least through my next renewal. SM still has the best printing services IMO and many things I still really like. But for front end appearance for users like myself there is no comparison. Perhaps eventually I'll switch back to SM for all my web-related needs, but time will tell.
Malte
bryanbrazil.com
Super looking site Bryan, congratualtions! What template did you use?
Caroline
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www.nicklasurephotography.com
Also, I made a simple landing page for my smugmug site to re-direct to my new site.
www.nl-photo.smugmug.com
Cheers!