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Has anyone been able to get a good rating in the search engines?

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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 7, 2007
    What is a custom page title and (how and where) do I add it in the control panel? I followed the link to faq #66 and it has to do with removing mouse-over text. What am I missing? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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    FAQ,
    http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=26043

    #42: http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=25861&highlight=document.title
    use the bits at the VERY TOP of the first post.
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    Michael RayMichael Ray Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited January 9, 2007
    Seo
    Hi everyone. I'm new here and I thought that I would chime in. One of my few talents is SEO. Even though I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, I did take the time to read the source at Dean's web page.

    Dean Malaxos Photography

    I see two major flaws in his strategy:

    #1 - His title tag contains NO keywords. Big mistake.
    #2 - On his index page, There are none of his key words (wedding, portrait, photography) in the first couple of paragraphs. Big no-no.

    These two areas are the key first steps.to listing high on Google. Plain and simple.

    MR
    Michael Ray

    Food Photography How-to site
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/blog

    Self-Proclaimed Photography SEO Guru
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/seo

    Commercial Photography How-to site
    http://www.professionalphotography101.com
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    GeorgeTGeorgeT Registered Users Posts: 18 Big grins
    edited January 9, 2007
    Another new poster here. I have been following this thread too. My recent foray into the web has me wondering about search engines among other questions. I just put up a caned site and found this helpful page on Web Template Optimizing.
    http://www.allwebco-templates.com/support/S_optimizing.htm

    Thank you for all your support on Smugmug.
    GeorgeT
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 9, 2007
    GeorgeT wrote:
    Another new poster here. I have been following this thread too. My recent foray into the web has me wondering about search engines among other questions. I just put up a caned site and found this helpful page on Web Template Optimizing.
    http://www.allwebco-templates.com/support/S_optimizing.htm

    Thank you for all your support on Smugmug.
    GeorgeT


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    Lyle CLyle C Registered Users Posts: 94 Big grins
    edited January 9, 2007
    Thought I would add my 2 cents to this discussion. If you Google "Weathered Barns", you should see my site come up right around 2nd on the list. It's taken some time to get to this point, but consisitant keywording has finally paid off, as well as some other work.

    :ivar:ivar
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    Michael RayMichael Ray Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited January 9, 2007
    Lyle

    That's a pretty common response. But really, how much competition is there for your name?

    You want to compete for "what you do" and "where you do it". That's where the new business will come from. If someone already knows you name, chances are that they will be able to find your web site. Right?

    MR
    Michael Ray

    Food Photography How-to site
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/blog

    Self-Proclaimed Photography SEO Guru
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/seo

    Commercial Photography How-to site
    http://www.professionalphotography101.com
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    JimMJimM Registered Users Posts: 1,389 Major grins
    edited January 10, 2007
    In Lyle's case, he shoots barns, of the weathered variety. So if someone were looking for images of barns his keywords would do him well.
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    Michael RayMichael Ray Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited January 11, 2007
    I don't know a whole lot about how smugmug works, but you guys keep mentioning "keywords". I don't know for sure what you're talking about. In the language of HTML, there is a Metatag called "keywords", which used to be important to alot of search engines. Not so any more.
    Michael Ray

    Food Photography How-to site
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/blog

    Self-Proclaimed Photography SEO Guru
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/seo

    Commercial Photography How-to site
    http://www.professionalphotography101.com
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    ivarivar Registered Users Posts: 8,395 Major grins
    edited January 11, 2007
    I don't know a whole lot about how smugmug works, but you guys keep mentioning "keywords". I don't know for sure what you're talking about. In the language of HTML, there is a Metatag called "keywords", which used to be important to alot of search engines. Not so any more.
    keywords

    spiders like them the way we have them on the pages. It's got nothing to do with meta tags.
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    Michael RayMichael Ray Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited January 11, 2007
    give me an example...
    Michael Ray

    Food Photography How-to site
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/blog

    Self-Proclaimed Photography SEO Guru
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/seo

    Commercial Photography How-to site
    http://www.professionalphotography101.com
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    primedigitalprimedigital Registered Users Posts: 93 Big grins
    edited January 14, 2007
    appearance of search results
    Does any one know how to change the way search results appear on google. I have been keywording the heck out of my photos lately, set up a blog and getting links to my site on other people's blogs and web pages and I think it is starting to work. I did a Google search for kc wedding photographer and a smugmug link came up on page 13 of the results that linked directly to a gallery on my site. Also did a search for kc children's photography and again a smugmug link came up on page 1 that linked directly to one of my galleries.

    I'm thinking I need keywords on my homepage as that is where I want people to land when they click on a link to me in the results, but I don't have any galleries on my homepage to put them in. Is there a way to enter them on homepage without going into a gallery?

    Here's the rub. Niether of the search results that led to my weblite had any mention of my url or site name. The same applies to searching directly for my site. The link and description that appears in the search results is sugmug's and at the bottom in green you can see my url. The url did not appear for either of the more generic searches.

    Is there any way to affect the way results appear when either searching directly for my site or searching via keywords? I noticed that most of the other results that came up when doing a keyword search have a link that is the name of the photographer/studio and the description is relavent to thier specialty. Also the url that appears at the bottom in green is thier company name.

    Andy and the rest of you guys have been super helpful to me in the past and for that I am forever in your debt. bowdown.gif Andy, you are the man! If anyone has any info. that could help please post and I'll be your buddy for life. :feelgood
    Tracy :photo
    Prime Digital Photography
    Capturing life one fraction of a second at a time
    http://www.primedigitalphotography.com/

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=195119389
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    devbobodevbobo Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 4,339 SmugMug Employee
    edited January 14, 2007
    Tracy,

    I checked out a few of your galleries, one thing to note..you don't appear to be using the gallery keywords much...as bear minimum, i would be entering something like...

    kc photographer, kanas city photographer, kc wedding photographer, kanas city wedding photographer, wedding photographer, kc childrens photography, kanas city childrens photography, kc kids photography, kanas city kids photography, kids photography, childrens photography, prime digital photography, prime digital, tracy mewmaw

    as a bear minimum in ALL of your galleries.

    I just found some keywording on your bio page...
    <*meta NAME ="keywords"CONTENT="Prime Digital Photography", primedigital, primedigitalphotography.com, photography, wedding, sports, portrait, portraits, "portrait photography", weddings, "wedding photography", "sports photography", event, events, "event photography", photo, photos, "Kansas City", "KC",
    photograph, photographs, pet, pets, "pet portraits", "pet photography", children, "maternity portraits", maternity, "maternity portrait","child  portraits", kids, "kid portraits", "bmx photography", baseball, "baseball photography", bmx, skateboard, skateboarding, "skateboard photography", "skateboarding photography"*>
    
    
    The format of this is incorrect. You should not use quotes around keywords in the gallery level keywords. Enter the string all i suggest above...each search term should be seperated by a comma.

    Cheers,

    David
    David Parry
    SmugMug API Developer
    My Photos
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    devbobodevbobo Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 4,339 SmugMug Employee
    edited January 14, 2007
    Also, put a gallery description in even if you hide it, since it gets entered in the meta description of the page.

    Also, make sure you images are keyworded accordingly...if i search using smugmug for 'nc wedding photographer' I don't see any results for your photos in the first few pages.
    David Parry
    SmugMug API Developer
    My Photos
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 14, 2007
    give me an example...
    Of what, please?
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    gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited January 14, 2007
    I see two major flaws in his strategy:

    #1 - His title tag contains NO keywords. Big mistake.
    #2 - On his index page, There are none of his key words
    you guys keep mentioning "keywords". I don't know for sure what you're talking about.



    headscratch.gif You are giving advice on key words then in your next post ...asking what they are.
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    primedigitalprimedigital Registered Users Posts: 93 Big grins
    edited January 15, 2007
    devbobo wrote:
    Tracy,

    I checked out a few of your galleries, one thing to note..you don't appear to be using the gallery keywords much...as bear minimum, i would be entering something like...

    kc photographer, kanas city photographer, kc wedding photographer, kanas city wedding photographer, wedding photographer, kc childrens photography, kanas city childrens photography, kc kids photography, kanas city kids photography, kids photography, childrens photography, prime digital photography, prime digital, tracy mewmaw

    as a bear minimum in ALL of your galleries.

    I just found some keywording on your bio page...
     
    <*meta NAME ="keywords"CONTENT="Prime Digital Photography", primedigital, primedigitalphotography.com, photography, wedding, sports, portrait, portraits, "portrait photography", weddings, "wedding photography", "sports photography", event, events, "event photography", photo, photos, "Kansas City", "KC",
    photograph, photographs, pet, pets, "pet portraits", "pet photography", children, "maternity portraits", maternity, "maternity portrait","child  portraits", kids, "kid portraits", "bmx photography", baseball, "baseball photography", bmx, skateboard, skateboarding, "skateboard photography", "skateboarding photography"*>
     
    
    The format of this is incorrect. You should not use quotes around keywords in the gallery level keywords. Enter the string all i suggest above...each search term should be seperated by a comma.

    Cheers,

    David

    David , Thanks for taking the time to look at my site. I entered those keywords before I knew what I was doing. I have removed the internal quote marks. Is this section what you are referring to as my bio keywords? In my controll panel these keywords are in my header section.

    How do you keyword galleries? I know how to enter keywords at the image level (bulk). Is this what you are referring to? How can I keyword my bio? Also Can you tell me how to get keywords on my homepage? I was thinking of keywording the images in my slide show on the homepage but those are in a private gallery. Do I need to make it public for those keywords to show up on the homepage?
    Tracy :photo
    Prime Digital Photography
    Capturing life one fraction of a second at a time
    http://www.primedigitalphotography.com/

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=195119389
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    primedigitalprimedigital Registered Users Posts: 93 Big grins
    edited January 15, 2007
    gus wrote:
    #1 - His title tag contains NO keywords. Big mistake.
    #2 - On his index page, There are none of his key words

    Can I copy and paste all of my keywords from my header to my title box or will the crawlers consider this repetition and over look my site? And what is my index page? Also how can I hide gallery descriptions and/or captions?
    Tracy :photo
    Prime Digital Photography
    Capturing life one fraction of a second at a time
    http://www.primedigitalphotography.com/

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=195119389
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    devbobodevbobo Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 4,339 SmugMug Employee
    edited January 15, 2007
    David , Thanks for taking the time to look at my site. I entered those keywords before I knew what I was doing. I have removed the internal quote marks. Is this section what you are referring to as my bio keywords? In my controll panel these keywords are in my header section.

    How do you keyword galleries? I know how to enter keywords at the image level (bulk). Is this what you are referring to? How can I keyword my bio? Also Can you tell me how to get keywords on my homepage? I was thinking of keywording the images in my slide show on the homepage but those are in a private gallery. Do I need to make it public for those keywords to show up on the homepage?

    in both cases I meant 'keywords' in gallery customisation

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    David Parry
    SmugMug API Developer
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    Michael RayMichael Ray Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited January 15, 2007
    Sorry for the confusion related the term "keywords" in a couple of my posts...

    I am caught between two worlds here and sometimes I confuse myself. (not hard to do)

    Originally Posted by Micheal Ray
    I see two major flaws in his strategy:

    #1 - His title tag contains NO keywords. Big mistake.
    #2 - On his index page, There are none of his key words


    Here I meant the "phrases" that you want to be found by, when someone does a google search fro you. For example, I want to dominate the Search Phreses "food photographer" and "food photography". Yes, I have these same phrases in my "keyword" metatag, but most search engines, including google, do not place much weight on the "keyword" metatag. I sometimes refer to these target search phrases as keywords. Sorry.

    That's what I refer to as kewords. I'm not really sure what you guys call keywords.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Ray
    you guys keep mentioning "keywords". I don't know for sure what you're talking about.

    Michael Ray

    Food Photography How-to site
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/blog

    Self-Proclaimed Photography SEO Guru
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/seo

    Commercial Photography How-to site
    http://www.professionalphotography101.com
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    primedigitalprimedigital Registered Users Posts: 93 Big grins
    edited January 15, 2007
    devbobo wrote:
    in both cases I meant 'keywords' in gallery customisation

    store-photos-online-3.gif

    David, I get the gallery keywording thing, but as always I have a few more questions. All of my galleries are only visible on my homepage when I am logged in. Does this mean that all of those keywords when searched will bring people to my homepage?

    Will keywording password protected galleries help?

    Can I copy and paste all of my keywords from my header to my title box or will the crawlers consider this repetition and over look my site?

    How can I hide gallery descriptions and/or captions?

    Sorry for all of the questions but you seem to really know your stuff.Any help is greatly appreciated.
    Tracy :photo
    Prime Digital Photography
    Capturing life one fraction of a second at a time
    http://www.primedigitalphotography.com/

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=195119389
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    BeachBillBeachBill Registered Users Posts: 1,311 Major grins
    edited January 16, 2007
    Here's the rub. Niether of the search results that led to my weblite had any mention of my url or site name. The same applies to searching directly for my site. The link and description that appears in the search results is sugmug's and at the bottom in green you can see my url.
    This is probably the biggest search engine related fault that Smugmug has.

    I have included an attached image showing the issue you are referring to. The text included in the Google results comes from the meta description and meta keywords that are embedded by Smugmug on your homepage. Smugmug does not allow you to change them, therefore your site gets branded as a Smugmug site. I really hope in the near future that Smugmug corrects this major fault by allowing the photographer to brand the home page and category pages. Note that they do currently allow you to brand the gallery pages with your own meta description and keywords. They just need to allow it on all pages.
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 16, 2007
    BeachBill wrote:
    This is probably the biggest search engine related fault that Smugmug has.

    I have included an attached image showing the issue you are referring to. The text included in the Google results comes from the meta description and meta keywords that are embedded by Smugmug on your homepage. Smugmug does not allow you to change them, therefore your site gets branded as a Smugmug site. I really hope in the near future that Smugmug corrects this major fault by allowing the photographer to brand the home page and category pages. Note that they do currently allow you to brand the gallery pages with your own meta description and keywords. They just need to allow it on all pages.
    I'm pretty sure this would crater most folks' search results.
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    Michael RayMichael Ray Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited January 16, 2007
    Andy wrote:
    I'm pretty sure this would crater most folks' search results.


    Crater?
    Michael Ray

    Food Photography How-to site
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/blog

    Self-Proclaimed Photography SEO Guru
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/seo

    Commercial Photography How-to site
    http://www.professionalphotography101.com
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    gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited January 17, 2007
    Crater?
    Yep ..crater
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    SystemSystem Registered Users Posts: 8,186 moderator
    edited January 17, 2007
    Well, for what it's worth, my site isn't even out of the free trial yet, and I'm getting google hits on "hair 2007", which is the name of one of my galleries.

    I don't know what they're *actually* looking for, since they don't mostly look at the pictures, but...
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    BeachBillBeachBill Registered Users Posts: 1,311 Major grins
    edited January 17, 2007
    Andy wrote:
    I'm pretty sure this would crater most folks' search results.

    Andy, I can't figure out what you mean by this statement? headscratch.gif
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    Michael RayMichael Ray Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited January 17, 2007
    BeachBill wrote:
    Andy, I can't figure out what you mean by this statement? headscratch.gif

    I thought that it wasjust me...

    :D
    Michael Ray

    Food Photography How-to site
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/blog

    Self-Proclaimed Photography SEO Guru
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/seo

    Commercial Photography How-to site
    http://www.professionalphotography101.com
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 17, 2007
    BeachBill wrote:
    Andy, I can't figure out what you mean by this statement? headscratch.gif
    I think that folks underestimate the value of SmugMug and giving high search results, and that if you had your own META (not that I'm saying it's even possible), you'd have lower rankings
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    Michael RayMichael Ray Registered Users Posts: 48 Big grins
    edited January 17, 2007
    Andy wrote:
    I think that folks underestimate the value of SmugMug and giving high search results, and that if you had your own META (not that I'm saying it's even possible), you'd have lower rankings

    so... Can people replace the meta tags that show up by default, including the "title" tag?

    MR
    Michael Ray

    Food Photography How-to site
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/blog

    Self-Proclaimed Photography SEO Guru
    http://www.foodportfolio.com/seo

    Commercial Photography How-to site
    http://www.professionalphotography101.com
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 17, 2007
    so... Can people replace the meta tags that show up by default, including the "title" tag?

    MR
    nod.gif it's in the FAQ in the customization forum.
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