I just think that there is a quiet group of peeps who's audience is using multi types of BBs, the Droid, and Nexxus One (versus a single smartphone from Apple) that may not even think about the people who look at their pictures and for those non-iphone folks (not just non iphone SM users) that audience cannot get a good experience.
Maybe your right maybe the majority of users in America are using iphones and the 300k to 400k ipads that are sold with this first run are huge SM users and that audience is bigger than the ones I listed above.
To answer your second question the screen comes up with overlapping headers and each time you click to go deeper in the site it just overlaps to where you have to scroll to see the next layer of commands. You can finally get to your pictures if you keep trying (at least on my BB 9630) but it's not easy.
I know you wish I would shut up about this (as well as others on the forum) but I just think your missing the mark on only listening to the very savvy (in getting their point across) iphone/ipad fans.
link to one category of galleries?
Sorry, I'm a BB user, would like interface, blahdy blah.
I don't want to work on my website from my BB, but to be able to direct viewers specific galleries or categories. I would like to put "mobile version" link on my homepage that would link viewers to my 'homepage galleries' or category of homepage galleries. Am I missing a step in CSS/Header? Is it not possible to link to a category?
Apologies if I missed a message that answered.
btw-Andy, et al, nice to meet some of you @ WPPI ;-)
I just went to an IAB webinar on 'Audience Measurement and Monetization for Publishers'. At the end of the presentation when talking about future trends, these statistics shocked me
56% of adult Americans access the internet via mobile devices like laptops, phones, game consoles, mp3 players.
1/3 adult Americans are using phones to access internet.
That's right now. By not having a fast, seamless way for these mobile users to access SM, we're losing out on a lot of traffic, even today. And in the future, even more will be lost.
A good mobile site it going to be essential for all web sites going forward. And a fully mobilized version of even the most custom SM web sites should be readily available.
A lot of web sites that have good mobile sites use a cookie to indicate they're on a mobile device. Then the site is presented using the mobile interface (lighter scripting, less graphics, etc.). But the user can switch to the full site anytime by usually clicking on a link that clears that cookie. I think such an implementation would work great for SM.
Yes, it would be expensive. But we continue to have such an item on our todo list, just that other things are trumping it, I'm sorry.
So the number of iPad users exceeds the number of blackberry users? Why is it more important? Why didn't you wait for a third-party to create an iPad app?
So the number of iPad users exceeds the number of blackberry users? Why is it more important? Why didn't you wait for a third-party to create an iPad app?
Another thing: Berries are hopefully migrating to a webkit-based browser, which'll make our /m mobile site work great on them, too. As it does now, on Droids, and Palm Pres.
We'll continue to make improvements to the /m mobile site, we do realize how important mobile platforms are. I hope Blackberry gets Webkit soon!
Unfair I know as your going to quote that SM users are not BB and Android users. but are ipod and ipad users.
I love SM and don't hold this against them as they are a private company that adores Apple products and their is nothing wrong with that...as one of the few peeps who has never owned an Apple product I just have to deal with the choice that I will have to find other ways to show my pics on mobile devices.
To make matters worse I am using ShowIt ( randyphotography.com ) which doesn't even work on an ipad as it's Flash based
I agree with the post above that says if you don't have a way to show your pictures (and video) on mobile devices you are very quickly getting left behind and if your a professional you had better find the funds to get a mobile site going ASAP
To show you I'm not completely old fashion I am going to a nexxus one once they become available on Verizon, then I'll be in the boat that says...wow those BB users sure do moan and groan a lot.
For whatever reason, the iPhone is far more popular for browsing the Web right now. It's not even a close race, though I'm sure the gap will diminish steadily.
For whatever reason, the iPhone is far more popular for browsing the Web right now. It's not even a close race, though I'm sure the gap will diminish steadily.
Thank you for posting the link to those stats Sheaf. It helps some of us who feel our questions go ignorged by the SmugMug staff understand the reasons behind the intense development for Apple products while ignoring the other platforms. I have always had the understanding that, as popular as the iPhone, is it is nowhere close in market share to many of the other platforms, so why does SmugMug continue to focus on it? I do believe that the Smugmug staff are Apple fanboys (as witnessed by Andy's post in another thread regarding his home network equipment). A part of me just wishes they would fess up to that being the reason most of the development effort for mobile goes towards these Apple products, instead of just redirecting peoples questions about why.
But...I realize that it can be hard for people to admit that they have biases for or against a certain company or product. That link goes a long way towards showing that that bias is not the ONLY reason that such heavy development occurs for Apple product apps, but not for Android, Palm, or Blackberry apps.
I do look forward to the day that all modern mobile OS's support webkit browsing! Thank you for at least supporting that in your mobile link, and changing the mobile link from /iphone to /m. It is greatly appreciated!
One question I did have was regarding the ability to have a different template applied to the site (selectable by the user ) for mobile browsing. An example of how this is done perfetly can be seen at my Wordpress blog. If you go to http://blog.wendellbeitzel.com from a desktop you will see the normal template. If you go to it from the iPhone or Android phone you will see a mobile template. It is a plugin that I added to Wordpress. It would be awesome to let us use something like this so we could edit the mobile version of our site as well!
Thanks again SmugMug!! I love you guys, even if you are Apple fanboys!!
Awesome information! I had no idea that the market share was that high. I'm going to check my sitemeter/statcounter/analytics browser popularity and see what it's like for me.
One question I did have was regarding the ability to have a different template applied to the site (selectable by the user ) for mobile browsing. An example of how this is done perfectly can be seen at my Wordpress blog. If you go to http://blog.wendellbeitzel.com from a desktop you will see the normal template. If you go to it from the iPhone or Android phone you will see a mobile template. It is a plugin that I added to Wordpress. It would be awesome to let us use something like this so we could edit the mobile version of our site as well!
I second this. This is a permanent solution to the issue of mobile browsing.
Awesome information! I had no idea that the market share was that high. I'm going to check my sitemeter/statcounter/analytics browser popularity and see what it's like for me.
And my stats concur. Out of all the mobile platforms out there, iphone was number one by a long shot on most of the stats programs.
Here's another voice for wanting a bb app. I think there is a good chance that a lot of bb & SM users aren't even aware of the possibilities of such an app. I never gave it a thought until I played around with my wife's iPhone and found the smugmug app (by first realizing that that there was other photo apps). You don't miss what you've never seen... My guess is that iPhone users love to search and fool around with apps, are more aware of the capabilities, and more in tune with what is available or possible.
The fact that it isn't being asked for in droves likely does not reflect the number of users that would ultimately love to have a sm bb app.
Here's another voice for wanting a bb app. I think there is a good chance that a lot of bb & SM users aren't even aware of the possibilities of such an app. I never gave it a thought until I played around with my wife's iPhone and found the smugmug app (by first realizing that that there was other photo apps). You don't miss what you've never seen... My guess is that iPhone users love to search and fool around with apps, are more aware of the capabilities, and more in tune with what is available or possible.
The fact that it isn't being asked for in droves likely does not reflect the number of users that would ultimately love to have a sm bb app.
Hi, when RIM makes the Blackberry browser webkit compliant (coming soon, RIM says), it'll all be good - your /m url will work just like on iPhones & Androids.
Hi, when RIM makes the Blackberry browser webkit compliant (coming soon, RIM says), it'll all be good - your /m url will work just like on iPhones & Androids.
I have downloaded a Flickr app for my BB. It allows a person to upload photos to their flickr account. It was made by RIM. This is the thing I really miss: the ability to take a picture while I'm on the road and immediately upload it to SmugMug. It is different from using the bb to view SmugMug galleries.
I have downloaded a Flickr app for my BB. It allows a person to upload photos to their flickr account. It was made by RIM. This is the thing I really miss: the ability to take a picture while I'm on the road and immediately upload it to SmugMug. It is different from using the bb to view SmugMug galleries.
Yes! I'd love a BlackBerry SmugMug app that would work like the Flickr app. Can't wait!
Looks great on Blackberry Torch (OS 6)
Just an FYI on the Blackberry discussion, SmugMug's "iPhone" rendering looks great on the Blackberry Torch, which is running the WebKit browser. The experience is very similar to what I had on my iPhone 3GS.
Also, RIM has a new, easier way to develop apps for OS 5 and OS 6 handhelds. Maybe someone out there will make a SmugMug "widget" (a Java encapsulated web app, as I understand it) that can take photos and upload them. I'm also hoping for an app to download select galleries as thumbnails (a la SyncPhoto for iPhone) for showing off photos to prospective customers!
I wanted to report that the mobile site works on the new blackberry playbook using wifi or the "bridge browser" which uses a tethered Bluetooth connection to the smartphone(using Verizon wireless access). Good Job!
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Hurts a little to be called "Essentially no-one"
I just think that there is a quiet group of peeps who's audience is using multi types of BBs, the Droid, and Nexxus One (versus a single smartphone from Apple) that may not even think about the people who look at their pictures and for those non-iphone folks (not just non iphone SM users) that audience cannot get a good experience.
Maybe your right maybe the majority of users in America are using iphones and the 300k to 400k ipads that are sold with this first run are huge SM users and that audience is bigger than the ones I listed above.
To answer your second question the screen comes up with overlapping headers and each time you click to go deeper in the site it just overlaps to where you have to scroll to see the next layer of commands. You can finally get to your pictures if you keep trying (at least on my BB 9630) but it's not easy.
I know you wish I would shut up about this (as well as others on the forum) but I just think your missing the mark on only listening to the very savvy (in getting their point across) iphone/ipad fans.
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No way, in fact you should be louder. Post on http://smugmug.uservoice.com as well.
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Sorry, I'm a BB user, would like interface, blahdy blah.
I don't want to work on my website from my BB, but to be able to direct viewers specific galleries or categories. I would like to put "mobile version" link on my homepage that would link viewers to my 'homepage galleries' or category of homepage galleries. Am I missing a step in CSS/Header? Is it not possible to link to a category?
Apologies if I missed a message that answered.
btw-Andy, et al, nice to meet some of you @ WPPI ;-)
Thank you!
Melissa
- 56% of adult Americans access the internet via mobile devices like laptops, phones, game consoles, mp3 players.
- 1/3 adult Americans are using phones to access internet.
That's right now. By not having a fast, seamless way for these mobile users to access SM, we're losing out on a lot of traffic, even today. And in the future, even more will be lost.A good mobile site it going to be essential for all web sites going forward. And a fully mobilized version of even the most custom SM web sites should be readily available.
A lot of web sites that have good mobile sites use a cookie to indicate they're on a mobile device. Then the site is presented using the mobile interface (lighter scripting, less graphics, etc.). But the user can switch to the full site anytime by usually clicking on a link that clears that cookie. I think such an implementation would work great for SM.
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So the number of iPad users exceeds the number of blackberry users? Why is it more important? Why didn't you wait for a third-party to create an iPad app?
We'll continue to make improvements to the /m mobile site, we do realize how important mobile platforms are. I hope Blackberry gets Webkit soon!
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300k ipads users > all BB and Android users.
Unfair I know as your going to quote that SM users are not BB and Android users. but are ipod and ipad users.
I love SM and don't hold this against them as they are a private company that adores Apple products and their is nothing wrong with that...as one of the few peeps who has never owned an Apple product I just have to deal with the choice that I will have to find other ways to show my pics on mobile devices.
To make matters worse I am using ShowIt ( randyphotography.com ) which doesn't even work on an ipad as it's Flash based
I agree with the post above that says if you don't have a way to show your pictures (and video) on mobile devices you are very quickly getting left behind and if your a professional you had better find the funds to get a mobile site going ASAP
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Gotcha...
To show you I'm not completely old fashion I am going to a nexxus one once they become available on Verizon, then I'll be in the boat that says...wow those BB users sure do moan and groan a lot.
:-)
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For whatever reason, the iPhone is far more popular for browsing the Web right now. It's not even a close race, though I'm sure the gap will diminish steadily.
Thank you for posting the link to those stats Sheaf. It helps some of us who feel our questions go ignorged by the SmugMug staff understand the reasons behind the intense development for Apple products while ignoring the other platforms. I have always had the understanding that, as popular as the iPhone, is it is nowhere close in market share to many of the other platforms, so why does SmugMug continue to focus on it? I do believe that the Smugmug staff are Apple fanboys (as witnessed by Andy's post in another thread regarding his home network equipment). A part of me just wishes they would fess up to that being the reason most of the development effort for mobile goes towards these Apple products, instead of just redirecting peoples questions about why.
But...I realize that it can be hard for people to admit that they have biases for or against a certain company or product. That link goes a long way towards showing that that bias is not the ONLY reason that such heavy development occurs for Apple product apps, but not for Android, Palm, or Blackberry apps.
I do look forward to the day that all modern mobile OS's support webkit browsing! Thank you for at least supporting that in your mobile link, and changing the mobile link from /iphone to /m. It is greatly appreciated!
One question I did have was regarding the ability to have a different template applied to the site (selectable by the user ) for mobile browsing. An example of how this is done perfetly can be seen at my Wordpress blog. If you go to http://blog.wendellbeitzel.com from a desktop you will see the normal template. If you go to it from the iPhone or Android phone you will see a mobile template. It is a plugin that I added to Wordpress. It would be awesome to let us use something like this so we could edit the mobile version of our site as well!
Thanks again SmugMug!! I love you guys, even if you are Apple fanboys!!
Want faster uploading? Vote for FTP!
Want faster uploading? Vote for FTP!
The fact that it isn't being asked for in droves likely does not reflect the number of users that would ultimately love to have a sm bb app.
Hi, when RIM makes the Blackberry browser webkit compliant (coming soon, RIM says), it'll all be good - your /m url will work just like on iPhones & Androids.
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I have downloaded a Flickr app for my BB. It allows a person to upload photos to their flickr account. It was made by RIM. This is the thing I really miss: the ability to take a picture while I'm on the road and immediately upload it to SmugMug. It is different from using the bb to view SmugMug galleries.
Yes! I'd love a BlackBerry SmugMug app that would work like the Flickr app. Can't wait!
Just an FYI on the Blackberry discussion, SmugMug's "iPhone" rendering looks great on the Blackberry Torch, which is running the WebKit browser. The experience is very similar to what I had on my iPhone 3GS.
Also, RIM has a new, easier way to develop apps for OS 5 and OS 6 handhelds. Maybe someone out there will make a SmugMug "widget" (a Java encapsulated web app, as I understand it) that can take photos and upload them. I'm also hoping for an app to download select galleries as thumbnails (a la SyncPhoto for iPhone) for showing off photos to prospective customers!
I wanted to report that the mobile site works on the new blackberry playbook using wifi or the "bridge browser" which uses a tethered Bluetooth connection to the smartphone(using Verizon wireless access). Good Job!
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