A few days late, but thanks so much to everyone who came to Moab! I had an incredible time even though I didn't get a chance to see much of everyone until dinner on Friday night. Andy, Marc and Dave were in their element and I was really glad to see/hear more from Dave in particular.
Last but not least, John and Kelsey and their crazy crew are some of my new favorite peeps, ever. You guys are right and I do regret not jumping off the cliff, but I still get the heebie-jeebies thinking about that drop!
The resort staff loved having us and they told me so repeatedly. I think it was a fantastic place (even with the power outages) and miles above staying at one of the more convenient, run-of-the-mill hotels in town.
Again, thanks to everyone and I really hope that you all took back some great shots and even better memories.
Smugmug Shootout v Muench Workshops
I was shocked by the high prices for the Muench workshops. I can't imagine 3 or 4 days on a workshop are worth $3,000+.
The SM Shootout seems a different animal entirely. 60 people on a photo shoot? Wow!!
These shootouts are SO much fun. You learn alot about phtography and photoshop and it's terrific to meet so many fellow dgrinners and make such awesome friends from around the world.
The SM Shootout seems a different animal entirely. 60 people on a photo shoot? Wow!!
I think the only time there were 60+ people together was at the SmugMug sponsored dinner. When we were out shooting, the biggest groups were more like 20+ people.
I was shocked by the high prices for the Muench workshops. I can't imagine 3 or 4 days on a workshop are worth $3,000+.
The SM Shootout seems a different animal entirely. 60 people on a photo shoot? Wow!!
When is the next 2009 Shootout?
Dave
I think the key difference is precisely the scale. The last one of Mark's workshops I looked at was like 8 people. That's going to lead to a MUCH higher amount of interaction with the pro than we got at the shootout. Not to mention most workshops are much more scheduled and regimented. The first/last/only workshop I've ever been on (14 years ago in college) the working pro that was leading it didn't even bring his camera gear along.... all his time was spent with the participants in the workshop. This was back in the day of film... so days 1 and 3 were spent in the field, 2 and 4 in the dark room. (His assistant was along on the outing... and was shooting... we thought because she was a participant in the workshop, but it turns out her work was to be a "control" of sorts... to show us after the fact what we could have captured, or what was actually there. I dunno if Marc runs his workshops like that or not, but as you said, the shootout is a totally different beast.
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I was shocked by the high prices for the Muench workshops. I can't imagine 3 or 4 days on a workshop are worth $3,000+.
The SM Shootout seems a different animal entirely. 60 people on a photo shoot? Wow!!
When is the next 2009 Shootout?
Dave
There is a HUGE difference in these two things. I can't really even compare.
The shootouts are largely a social thing. Sure, you can talk with the pros and learn from your fellows, but it's much looser and you have the opportunity to make your choice about where you go and what you do. You pay for your food (or bring it), and you pay for your hotel, car rental, gas, etc.
Marc's workshops are steamlined to small groups so you're guaranteed more attention and better, more focused learning. Better critiques, customized guidance, plus all of your food, travel, and accommodations are paid for in advance. All you need to do is show up and pay attention!
He's having an open house in November if it sounds like something you'd want to look into.
I was shocked by the high prices for the Muench workshops. I can't imagine 3 or 4 days on a workshop are worth $3,000+.
The SM Shootout seems a different animal entirely. 60 people on a photo shoot? Wow!!
When is the next 2009 Shootout?
Dave
You get what you pay for. 10 people. 2 pros. A local guide(s). All transportation, food, lodging paid for. Often you get extras that take the trip to the next level, like the mule team packing your stuff into the High Sierras and the packers making meals for you up in the remote High Sierras, allowing you more time to shoot. Not for everyone, for sure, but there is definite value in these workshops.
2009 get together
Do you know when next years gathering will be? I missed out this year and want to go in the future. Thanks, Suzanne photog4fun@gmail.com
That info is lifted directly from the lodge's site. It's really just to give you an idea of the room. There is a King and a Queen sofa sleeper in the room, so what the lodge is telling you is that you can have 4, 2 on the king, 2 on the queen. Make sense?
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The new, improved, 2008 model year, SmugMug Prank.
Poised and ready to go, almost blends in with the seat:
Oblivious:
"Mommie, the man in the dress is using funny words.....":
You could say the $#!^ flew...
... but with Sam and Andy in the same city, we already knew that was going to happen.
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Thanks for capturing that, Cabbey!
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OMG! You'll be hearing from my attorney. My eyes haven't been the same since I took a look at that shirt!
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Last but not least, John and Kelsey and their crazy crew are some of my new favorite peeps, ever. You guys are right and I do regret not jumping off the cliff, but I still get the heebie-jeebies thinking about that drop!
The resort staff loved having us and they told me so repeatedly. I think it was a fantastic place (even with the power outages) and miles above staying at one of the more convenient, run-of-the-mill hotels in town.
Again, thanks to everyone and I really hope that you all took back some great shots and even better memories.
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I was shocked by the high prices for the Muench workshops. I can't imagine 3 or 4 days on a workshop are worth $3,000+.
The SM Shootout seems a different animal entirely. 60 people on a photo shoot? Wow!!
When is the next 2009 Shootout?
Dave
Dave info on the 2009 Shootout in Acadia can be found HERE
These shootouts are SO much fun. You learn alot about phtography and photoshop and it's terrific to meet so many fellow dgrinners and make such awesome friends from around the world.
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I think the only time there were 60+ people together was at the SmugMug sponsored dinner. When we were out shooting, the biggest groups were more like 20+ people.
I think the key difference is precisely the scale. The last one of Mark's workshops I looked at was like 8 people. That's going to lead to a MUCH higher amount of interaction with the pro than we got at the shootout. Not to mention most workshops are much more scheduled and regimented. The first/last/only workshop I've ever been on (14 years ago in college) the working pro that was leading it didn't even bring his camera gear along.... all his time was spent with the participants in the workshop. This was back in the day of film... so days 1 and 3 were spent in the field, 2 and 4 in the dark room. (His assistant was along on the outing... and was shooting... we thought because she was a participant in the workshop, but it turns out her work was to be a "control" of sorts... to show us after the fact what we could have captured, or what was actually there. I dunno if Marc runs his workshops like that or not, but as you said, the shootout is a totally different beast.
http://wall-art.smugmug.com/
There is a HUGE difference in these two things. I can't really even compare.
The shootouts are largely a social thing. Sure, you can talk with the pros and learn from your fellows, but it's much looser and you have the opportunity to make your choice about where you go and what you do. You pay for your food (or bring it), and you pay for your hotel, car rental, gas, etc.
Marc's workshops are steamlined to small groups so you're guaranteed more attention and better, more focused learning. Better critiques, customized guidance, plus all of your food, travel, and accommodations are paid for in advance. All you need to do is show up and pay attention!
He's having an open house in November if it sounds like something you'd want to look into.
Photos that don't suck / 365 / Film & Lomography
You get what you pay for. 10 people. 2 pros. A local guide(s). All transportation, food, lodging paid for. Often you get extras that take the trip to the next level, like the mule team packing your stuff into the High Sierras and the packers making meals for you up in the remote High Sierras, allowing you more time to shoot. Not for everyone, for sure, but there is definite value in these workshops.
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Do you know when next years gathering will be? I missed out this year and want to go in the future. Thanks, Suzanne photog4fun@gmail.com
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