So while at PMA today, Ian and I stopped at the Nikon booth. There, we examined the D200, the D2X and some of Nikon's sweet, sweet glass. We got to talking about Canon vs. Nikon, and the subject got to high-ISO shooting rather quickly. Scott Frier, Nikon's Professional Markets Tech Rep, assured us that he could prove that ISO 1600 from Nikon was as good or better than ISO 1600 from Canon. Hmm I said.... and then proceeded to tell him about our forum, and the definitive Nikon-Canon Debate. He said he'd be glad to show us his examples.
For reference, Scott - here are some shots from the Great Nikon-Canon Debate Gallery:
I just read a review on the new four thirds system. Seems to be liked though
still young with not a lot of lenses available (not like either Canon or Nikon).
Anybody used one that can comment?
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It's been 3 weeks - nothing. Bah! Nikon is all talk!
Probably too busy selling D200's to the thousands of Canon converts. My local dealer hasn't been able to keep any in stock since it's release. I spend quite a bit there and I'm still on a waiting list. Funny but I don't recall him ever having that problem with any of the high end Canon's.
I just read a review on the new four thirds system. Seems to be liked though
still young with not a lot of lenses available (not like either Canon or Nikon).
Anybody used one that can comment?
I looked hard at the E-1 a couple of years ago. The lens availability was very limited; probably better now, but you're still not going to see anything like the variety you get for either Canon or Nikon bodies.
Whether or not that would have kept me from buying I can't say, since I hated the E-1 no matter what lens was on it.
Probably too busy selling D200's to the thousands of Canon converts. My local dealer hasn't been able to keep any in stock since it's release. I spend quite a bit there and I'm still on a waiting list. Funny but I don't recall him ever having that problem with any of the high end Canon's.
(snork) The D200 is high end?
Seriously, the Digital Rebel was in very high demand for a long time after its release. Some bodies just hit a great price/performance note and the D200 is one of them. So was the 20D, you might remember.
Seriously, the Digital Rebel was in very high demand for a long time after its release. Some bodies just hit a great price/performance note and the D200 is one of them. So was the 20D, you might remember.
High end being...
1. State of the art performance in image quality.
2. Pro build with the durability requirements of a photog that treats his gear as tools.
No offence but the DRebel and 20D can't by any stretch be associated with number 2.
The D200 is high end (DSLR's) plain and simple. If you haven't handled one then I can understand why you might not understand that.
I have handled one. I like it, a lot. But it's not "high end." Now the D2X, that's high end. (And sweet, although I like the 1Ds better.)
I have to disagree. If it can withstand weather better than the average, if it's built to withstand abuse, if it can be treated like a tool and not some prize possession that might cease functioning the first time it hits the concrete, it IS a pro tool.
Does that describe the 1Ds? Of course.
Does that describe the D2X? Of course.
Does that describe the D200? Of course. If you've handled one and know much about it then you could of course confirm that.
Back to my original point, does that describe the 20D, 300D, or 350D?
I have to disagree. If it can withstand weather better than the average, if it's built to withstand abuse, if it can be treated like a tool and not some prize possession that might cease functioning the first time it hits the concrete, it IS a pro tool.
Ahh, I didn't say anything about "pro tool." You previously said said "high end." And the D200, like Canon's 20D and 30D, is at best towards the middle of Nikon's DSLR line in terms of both price and features. Prices are dropping and features on lower-end cameras are converging on the high end fast (thanks Moore!) but hey, Nikon doesn't get upwards of three times the price of the D200 for their high-end equipment just for the extra weight.
Now when it comes to "pro" equipment, I'm of the opinion that the tool is what you make of it -- no matter who the manufacturer targets in their marketing or what everyone else thinks. If it takes great pictures and serves the purpose well then why spend more?
My personal goal is to spend the least possible on the body and buy the best glass I can get. This seems particularly advantageous in the brave new world of digital where the inexpensive cameras two years from now will likely eclipse the top of the line today, at least in terms of image quality.
Back to my original point, does that describe the 20D, 300D, or 350D?
Yes...
No...
No...
To lump these three models together isn't exactly fair though is it? (But it is typical of these discussions).
If you compare the body construction of the 20D to the 300D, 350D, D50, or D70, you'll see that the 20D is in a different league. Same goes for features.
Now, if you want to call the D200's "weather sealing" the trump card as to why it's superior to the 20D as a PRO CAMERA, don't forget to mention that there is NO weather seal on the lens mount AND that Canon does use a seal or o-ring on the buttons and dials on the 20D and the 5D. But as they lack a true sealed lens mount, Canon does not call them weather-sealed.
As I've said before, let's keep this a fair figh..erm...discussion
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Do I hear rumblings of an upcomming film "BROKEBACK PHOTOGS". Andy does have a son with an apparent expensive car habit to fund.
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Look at his face, he's obviously been drugged!!!
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It's been 3 weeks - nothing. Bah! Nikon is all talk!
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Glad to see it's wearing off
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still young with not a lot of lenses available (not like either Canon or Nikon).
Anybody used one that can comment?
I looked hard at the E-1 a couple of years ago. The lens availability was very limited; probably better now, but you're still not going to see anything like the variety you get for either Canon or Nikon bodies.
Whether or not that would have kept me from buying I can't say, since I hated the E-1 no matter what lens was on it.
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(snork) The D200 is high end?
Seriously, the Digital Rebel was in very high demand for a long time after its release. Some bodies just hit a great price/performance note and the D200 is one of them. So was the 20D, you might remember.
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1. State of the art performance in image quality.
2. Pro build with the durability requirements of a photog that treats his gear as tools.
No offence but the DRebel and 20D can't by any stretch be associated with number 2.
The D200 is high end (DSLR's) plain and simple. If you haven't handled one then I can understand why you might not understand that.
I have handled one. I like it, a lot. But it's not "high end." Now the D2X, that's high end. (And sweet, although I like the 1Ds better.)
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Does that describe the 1Ds? Of course.
Does that describe the D2X? Of course.
Does that describe the D200? Of course. If you've handled one and know much about it then you could of course confirm that.
Back to my original point, does that describe the 20D, 300D, or 350D?
Ahh, I didn't say anything about "pro tool." You previously said said "high end." And the D200, like Canon's 20D and 30D, is at best towards the middle of Nikon's DSLR line in terms of both price and features. Prices are dropping and features on lower-end cameras are converging on the high end fast (thanks Moore!) but hey, Nikon doesn't get upwards of three times the price of the D200 for their high-end equipment just for the extra weight.
Now when it comes to "pro" equipment, I'm of the opinion that the tool is what you make of it -- no matter who the manufacturer targets in their marketing or what everyone else thinks. If it takes great pictures and serves the purpose well then why spend more?
My personal goal is to spend the least possible on the body and buy the best glass I can get. This seems particularly advantageous in the brave new world of digital where the inexpensive cameras two years from now will likely eclipse the top of the line today, at least in terms of image quality.
jimf@frostbytes.com
Yes...
No...
No...
To lump these three models together isn't exactly fair though is it? (But it is typical of these discussions).
If you compare the body construction of the 20D to the 300D, 350D, D50, or D70, you'll see that the 20D is in a different league. Same goes for features.
Now, if you want to call the D200's "weather sealing" the trump card as to why it's superior to the 20D as a PRO CAMERA, don't forget to mention that there is NO weather seal on the lens mount AND that Canon does use a seal or o-ring on the buttons and dials on the 20D and the 5D. But as they lack a true sealed lens mount, Canon does not call them weather-sealed.
As I've said before, let's keep this a fair figh..erm...discussion