The Great Nikon vs. Canon Debate

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  • ziggy53ziggy53 Super Moderators Posts: 24,128 moderator
    edited February 9, 2006
    ziggy53 wrote:
    The Great Nikon vs. Canon Debate

    Y'know, I forget. Who won? (Just trying to start something.)

    ... Or, did we all learn something, thus we all won? (Naw, can't be that simple.)

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    I'm sure someone will enlighten me.

    ziggy53

    Heck, I can't even tell who's ahead. (Maybe it's really Minolta, Olympus, Pentax or Fuji.)

    I'm also responding to my own posts.

    Maybe a few emoticons will help? :): :Dclap.gif1drink.gifne_nau.gifrolleyes1.gif

    Doctor It? No, I need Dr. Phil! (Badly)

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    ziggy53
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  • JusticeiroJusticeiro Registered Users Posts: 1,177 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    zigzag wrote:
    :bigbs


    YAH! I got to use the BS flag! I always wanted to use that one!

    C'mon ziggy, I didn't say he was a nikon shooter, just that the descriptions sounded like a nikon shooter.

    I love that flag. Must find a way to use that flag!
    Cave ab homine unius libri
  • ivarivar Registered Users Posts: 8,395 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    zigzag wrote:
    Hmm,

    Keeps piling on and high-fiving others of his kind even after it's been pointed out that the facts they're touting are actually incorrect.


    Sounds like a Canon shooter to me.



    (Still your kind of humor? :D )
    Actually it is kind of funny, i think you missed the joke on the first one.
    But yeah, you are right, i do shoot canon (naturally)
  • BodleyBodley Registered Users Posts: 766 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Rutt, why is it that no one but me gets this? What does that say about me?

    Maybe ya'll are in a league of your own ;-) (Hey does that count as a smilie?)

    [quote=rutt]
    I'm thinking Daniel is showing real talent, especially for one so young. Let's see:
    • Prolific and gratuitous use of emoticons
    • Feels the need to answer almost every post
    • Willing to speculate in the absence of knowledge
    • Tone indicates he knows whether or not he does
    • Answers serious questions with emoticons or nonanswers
    Hmm... [/quote]

    Maybe you could come out with a check list to evaluate post - Troll, Jerk, Sincere, ANDY, etc...
    Greg
    "Tis better keep your mouth shut and be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Rutt, why is it that no one but me gets this? What does that say about me?

    Well, I'm glad at least somebody did, else what did it say about me?
    If not now, when?
  • BodleyBodley Registered Users Posts: 766 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    Bodley wrote:
    - Troll, Jerk, Sincere, ANDY, etc...

    Guess my guesses were wrong :-(
    Greg
    "Tis better keep your mouth shut and be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    Bodley wrote:
    Guess my guesses were wrong :-(

    I didn't say that. But "if you gotta ask, you're never gonna know. (To quote Duke Ellington.)
    If not now, when?
  • BodleyBodley Registered Users Posts: 766 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    I didn't say that. But "if you gotta ask, you're never gonna know. (To quote Duke Ellington.)

    That's just plain mean - Guess I'll pay more attention to post and post styles
    Greg
    "Tis better keep your mouth shut and be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
  • DanielBDanielB Registered Users Posts: 2,362 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    I'm thinking Daniel is showing real talent, especially for one so young. Let's see:
    • Prolific and gratuitous use of emoticons
    • Feels the need to answer almost every post
    • Willing to speculate in the absence of knowledge
    • Tone indicates he knows whether or not he does
    • Answers serious questions with emoticons or nonanswers
    Hmm...



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  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    Bodley wrote:
    That's just plain mean - Guess I'll pay more attention to post and post styles

    Didn't mean to be mean. Sorry. And I don't think you really had to ask...
    If not now, when?
  • ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,938 moderator
    edited February 9, 2006
    Bodley wrote:
    ;-) (Hey does that count as a smilie?)

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    Naw, just shows your age :^
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  • BodleyBodley Registered Users Posts: 766 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    Didn't mean to be mean. Sorry. And I don't think you really had to ask...

    Awww I was just posting, didn't think you were mean.

    Speaking of Andy - he hasn't posted this thread in a while. Guess we need to get back on topic.

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    Greg
    "Tis better keep your mouth shut and be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    100% of MIT professors teaching Computational Photography this spring are Canon owners:

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    If not now, when?
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 9, 2006
    computational photography? headscratch.gif
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  • MongrelMongrel Registered Users Posts: 622 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    computational photography? headscratch.gif

    'measurebating' to the nth degree.....


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    If every keystroke was a shutter press I'd be a pro by now...
  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 9, 2006
    I'm trying to learn what actually goes on when I push the button. I think these guys known and can teach me if I'm not too dumb.
    If not now, when?
  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    Come to think of it, I did learn something in this class already which is relevant to, if not totally in the spirit of, this thread. If it's not stupid enough, the moderators can move it.

    In the beginning (well not really the beginning, but a beginning), there was only aperture priority or shutter priority metering. Canon made the first film camera with an onboard (very primitive) microprocessor. That was the AE1 and had a program mode which would set both shutter and aperture. Those of us of a certain age may remember the ads: "So advanced, it's simple." That would have been early 70s, I think. About 20(?) years later, Nikon introduced "matrix metering". I'm sure the Nikon fans will tell us exactly when and what camera. The way this worked was really cool. The camera had a CCD in the prism which would measure light all across the image. Nikon built up a library of thousands of images and measured them all on the CCD, each image resulting in a a large number of red green and blue readings, a sort of mini digital image. Then the associated a correct exposure value with each image and trained a neural network with the resulting data. So the exposure it sets is really a result of a kind of computer learning, derived empirically. Of course, Canon has followed suit. Their version is called "evaluative metering"

    Anyway, I didn't know all of that a few days ago, and it's an example of what this course is about.
    If not now, when?
  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    Well, that stopped everyone cold. Sorry. Let's return to the proper spirit and level of discourse:

    Nikon users are a bunch of dopes.
    If not now, when?
  • ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    yeah, there are a whole bunch of "Nikonians" down in Florida and all they can shoot are birds.

    Guess the cameras can't handle people?????

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    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
  • 4labs4labs Registered Users Posts: 2,089 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    Well, that stopped everyone cold. Sorry. Let's return to the proper spirit and level of discourse:

    Nikon users are a bunch of dopes.

    Your mind seems to be in overdrive these days? Have you retired from your regular job?Increase your caffein intake? I am not complaining, you remind me there is always more to learn.
  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    4labs wrote:
    Your mind seems to be in overdrive these days? Have you retired from your regular job?Increase your caffein intake? I am not complaining, you remind me there is always more to learn.

    You hit the nail on the head the first time. I'm currently "underemployed". If possible I'd like to find a job that relates, however vaguely to photography. I'm done building general purpose microprocessors. Hence the course at MIT. Thought I might learn enough and meet enough of the right people to be able to strike out in a new direction.
    If not now, when?
  • DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited February 10, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    Hence the course at MIT.
    Sounds like a pretty neat course. I'd take it too if I was at MIT, or if it was offered here.
    Erik
    moderator of: The Flea Market [ guidelines ]


  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Sounds like a pretty neat course. I'd take it too if I was at MIT, or if it was offered here.

    You can follow along at home. The course has a web site. The lecture notes, syllabus, and problem sets are all there.

    I'm sure I'm going to be glad for a support group when it comes to those matlab problem sets.
    If not now, when?
  • zigzagzigzag Registered Users Posts: 196 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    I'm currently "underemployed".


    I'm sooooooooo jealous. If only!
  • 4labs4labs Registered Users Posts: 2,089 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    Skip photojournalism 101 and go right to advanced computational photographythumb.gif
  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    4labs wrote:
    Skip photojournalism 101 and go right to advanced computational photographythumb.gif

    Perhaps remedial photojournalism is what I need in that department.
    If not now, when?
  • ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,938 moderator
    edited February 10, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    Perhaps remedial photojournalism is what I need in that department.

    How about creative writing? That might be kind of fun.
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  • ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited February 10, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    How about creative writing? That might be kind of fun.

    And then there's always diplomacy and politics. Hey, I got an idea. I could be a brain surgeon!

    I can take a hint, but Jeez.
    If not now, when?
  • mynakedsodamynakedsoda Registered Users Posts: 177 Major grins
    edited February 11, 2006
    ginger_55 wrote:
    yeah, there are a whole bunch of "Nikonians" down in Florida and all they can shoot are birds.

    Guess the cameras can't handle people?????

    g
    Fairly recent. Nikon 60mm 2.8D Micro thru a Kowa 55mm f1.0.
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    More recent. Shot with a Nikon 50mm 1.4D.
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    So do these count as "people"? Both with ancient tech (D100 body) by the way. Us Nikonians don't need the latest gee whiz tech to take photos. rolleyes1.gif
  • ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,938 moderator
    edited February 11, 2006
    rutt wrote:
    And then there's always diplomacy and politics. Hey, I got an idea. I could be a brain surgeon!

    I can take a hint, but Jeez.

    That was a serious comment. No underlying hints either. Personally, I think
    creative writing might be kinda fun.
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