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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited July 13, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    So as we discussed before, modern paints are no longer the deep shine organic-solvent (oil) base formulations of old. Instead we have much friendlier and cheaper aqueous (water) base paints. Now Richard says that paints need oils rather than polymers, and I'm wondering: why?

    So since part of my funding comes from nanotechnology work, this stuff is particularly intriguing - what do you think of the new EagleOne Nanowax?

    Well...I guess because what I know best is older cars that still have oil based paint. Also, modern german paints sometimes cloud when you use a polymer wax on them (granted german paints are made using ingredients that are illegal in the US until they are dried on the car, so maybe they're different). As far as the nanowax, I don't like any wax that sprays on, plus Eagle is a pretty mediocre company. If this stuff were so great one of the top dogs would be using it.
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 13, 2006
    As far as the nanowax, I don't like any wax that sprays on,
    I was referring to the more traditional nanowax in a bottle. Not carnuba, obviously, but not spray. Just curious - the onegrand I have should last me at least until my next car anyway.
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    ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,916 moderator
    edited July 13, 2006
    Having just gone through this, I have to ask. Doesn't a traditional wax
    work by removing oxidation/buildup on the paint compared to a nanowax
    that works by filling gaps between things on or in the paint?

    My take, based on my understanding, is that a traditional process
    would best be used to restore the paint and a nanowax something
    best used weekly/monthly to maintain the finish?
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 13, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    Having just gone through this, I have to ask. Doesn't a traditional wax
    work by removing oxidation/buildup on the paint compared to a nanowax
    that works by filling gaps between things on or in the paint?

    My take, based on my understanding, is that a traditional process
    would best be used to restore the paint and a nanowax something
    best used weekly/monthly to maintain the finish?
    Carnuba may remove some stuff in the buffing process, but I know for a fact that the idea is the same - good Carnuba will fill in little swirls and give your car a deep shiny and protective covering. Just like Richard has said in the past, if you do a good job maintaining a nice coat of wax on your car even scratches from an errant kitty can simply by fixed by washing/prepping/rewaxing.

    The idea of nanowax is simply that smaller "particles" can arrange to a more even outer surface, thereby looking even smoother. I'm guessing the lack of deep shine that Richard points out is a drawback of this. It's all about light scattering, so obviously nanoparticles scatter differently than micro or macroparticles. If indeed there is such a thing as was "particles" - on that I'm unsure.
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited July 13, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    Having just gone through this, I have to ask. Doesn't a traditional wax
    work by removing oxidation/buildup on the paint compared to a nanowax
    that works by filling gaps between things on or in the paint?

    No, though a cleaner wax does. Avoid cleaner waxes light the plague, they are absolute junk. No company makes a good cleaner wax (this includes the "Zymol" cleaner wax in a bottle sold in Walmarts and Pep Boys, which is actually rebranded Turtle Wax, note that it's made in Chicago), even if they did I don't think anybody could make a good cleaner wax. If you need to clean the paint, use a non abrasive cleaner like P21S gloss enhancing paintwork cleanser (only use the fine abrasive ones if you need to remove light scratches or swirls). Regular carnuba wax works by just putting a layer on top of things.

    I know from a detail guy who sells his own brand (buys in bulk from some unnamed supplier) of polymer sealant (that's the word they use: sealant, i just remembered) says that polymer won't fill in minor swirls like a wax does, so that's another mark against polymer.
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    dragon300zxdragon300zx Registered Users Posts: 2,575 Major grins
    edited July 13, 2006
    argh crap I am still soooo fuming over last night. I can't beleive what happened on pinks. Why the team even ran is so beyond me. That was a car from one of the forums I frequent and they got hosed. Anyone watch it? Notice how the show failed to mention they were never suppose to race the monte. The car they were supposed to race crashed 2 days before the event. They shoulda backed out like they had the option too instead of taking on a car that was built way mor ethan their's was. That show sucked.
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    wholenewlightwholenewlight Registered Users Posts: 1,529 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    a real bad car day . . .
    http://www.wftv.com/2006/0303/7648294_320X240.jpg

    MALIBU, Calif. -- A Los Angeles County sheriff inspects the wreckage of a rare Ferrari Enzo that crashed on the Pacific Coast Highway Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2006, in Malibu, Calif. The red Ferrari, estimated to be worth more than $1 million, was going at least 100 mph when the driver lost control and struck a power pole, investigators said. Sheriff's investigators identified the owner as Stefan Ericksson, 44, of Bel Air, who escaped the wreck with only a cut lip.

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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 15, 2006
    http://www.wftv.com/2006/0303/7648294_320X240.jpg

    MALIBU, Calif. -- A Los Angeles County sheriff inspects the wreckage of a rare Ferrari Enzo that crashed on the Pacific Coast Highway Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2006, in Malibu, Calif. The red Ferrari, estimated to be worth more than $1 million, was going at least 100 mph when the driver lost control and struck a power pole, investigators said. Sheriff's investigators identified the owner as Stefan Ericksson, 44, of Bel Air, who escaped the wreck with only a cut lip.

    eek7.gif

    "Hello . . . Geico . . . yeah, I had a little accident"
    please tell me this isn't still circulating as news? this has practically become an urban legend! lol3.gif
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    OK, so with the new thread, I'll jump in. For a good laugh (and proof that gearheads are nuts): http://mysite.verizon.net/project.frankenpinto

    Going to pick up new body panels this weekend. It will be done...more-or-less...by October for GRM's Challenge.

    BTW, Dragon, keeping this little monster IN a straight line is expected to be a handful. :uhoh

    I had the Bobcat version - fun little car, though it weighed like 10,000 pounds!

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    dragon300zxdragon300zx Registered Users Posts: 2,575 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    please tell me this isn't still circulating as news? this has practically become an urban legend! lol3.gif

    Not an urban legend seeing as the court record will show he was arrested and is awaiting trial since that was a stolen car.
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    Not an urban legend seeing as the court record will show he was arrested and is awaiting trial since that was a stolen car.

    Note that Doc said "still" circulating. He's not saying it's not true, he's saying this is as old as Andy.
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 15, 2006
    Not an urban legend seeing as the court record will show he was arrested and is awaiting trial since that was a stolen car.
    so you know him?
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 15, 2006
    Note that Doc said "still" circulating. He's not saying it's not true, he's saying this is as old as Andy.
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    aw man, excellent!

    zing!
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    dragon300zxdragon300zx Registered Users Posts: 2,575 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    so you know him?

    lol no I'm a news junky and been following the articles on it. Besides I don't associate with criminals (that are dumb enough to wreck an enzo).
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    lol no I'm a news junky and been following the articles on it. Besides I don't associate with criminals (that are dumb enough to wreck an enzo).

    What? Don't you know, he didn't do it. It was the mysterious Dietrich. SOB ran off though, and the enzo owner never did get his last name, but Dietrich the mystery German is to blame...clearly.
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    Any poop on this one, the Jeep Compass?
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 15, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    Any poop on this one, the Jeep Compass?
    Lee says it sucks and only a real loser would drive one.
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited July 15, 2006
    What? Don't you know, he didn't do it. It was the mysterious Dietrich. SOB ran off though, and the enzo owner never did get his last name, but Dietrich the mystery German is to blame...clearly.
    I thought it was David Hasselhof?

    :hide
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Lee says it sucks and only a real loser would drive one.
    You're no help, and I thought he said that about the Liberty?
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    You're no help, and I thought he said that about the Liberty?
    Lee told me to get this instead of the Compass:
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    bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited July 15, 2006
    what i said was that of the two i think the caliber looks better.

    listening is hard eh?
    Pedal faster
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    FJ Cruiser.
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    what i said was that of the two i think the caliber looks better.

    listening is hard eh?
    Compass has more clearance, and you sit up a bit higher than the Caliber.

    Hrm...
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    hawt - hawt - but it's probably VERY VERY jeepy ridey so I don't guess I'd like it.
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    bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited July 15, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    hawt - hawt - but it's probably VERY VERY jeepy ridey so I don't guess I'd like it.
    wimp. i drove from VA to Moab, UT in mine.
    Pedal faster
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    bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited July 15, 2006
    DavidTO wrote:
    FJ Cruiser.
    i liked these until i sat in one. the backseat is like a cave and the design creates ginormous blindspots.
    Pedal faster
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    wimp. i drove from VA to Moab, UT in mine.
    Yes, I need a comfy ride. Ideally, I'd like a ride that's no less comfy than honey's 2004 Jeep Cherokee
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    ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,916 moderator
    edited July 15, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    i liked these until i sat in one. the backseat is like a cave and the design creates ginormous blindspots.

    Apparently, they roll over too....
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    bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited July 15, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    Apparently, they roll over too....
    they said that about jeeps too. believe me, you have to try reallly hard to roll a vehicle.

    3 wheels is much easier.
    Pedal faster
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited July 15, 2006
    This is nice, too
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