Prosim. Ale ted mne laskavje rekni jak delas tady ty klicky a hacky? However ted me prince's feather rekni as forth as delas tady you klicky plus hacky? Really??
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Amazing. I go away for the weekend to do some house & car work, and come back to a B/S forum formatted like what people have been begging for for years at FM. DGrins' moderators rock.
Fred Miranda Compromise
Fred Miranda has compromised and added a "Buy and Sell Subscription" as a stand alone offering outside the photo hosting option for $45. The buy and sell subscription is $24.90 and allows you to post items for sale at FM, but not use the FM photo host. The $45 dollars per year allows you to do both.
Thoughts? (It's still not attractive to me as a 'once in a while' seller.)
Perhaps the greatest social service that can be rendered by anybody to this country and to mankind is to bring up a family. - George Bernard Shaw
Fred Miranda has compromised and added a "Buy and Sell Subscription" as a stand alone offering outside the photo hosting option for $45. The buy and sell subscription is $24.90 and allows you to post items for sale at FM, but not use the FM photo host. The $45 dollars per year allows you to do both.
Thoughts? (It's still not attractive to me as a 'once in a while' seller.)
That is better if you plan on selling items throughout the year. Or just pick 3 months a year to sell several things, get the 4.90 subscription for those months, sell to your heart's content, then cancel your subscription each time. This way you spent on $15 in fees.
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That is better if you plan on selling items throughout the year. Or just pick 3 months a year to sell several things, get the 4.90 subscription for those months, sell to your heart's content, then cancel your subscription each time. This way you spent on $15 in fees.
That was my line of thought too. I only sell big ticket items (or a whole lot in once shot) on FM, and they usually sell within a few days.
Paying $4.95 on top of getting several hundred dollars back - come on, paypal fees and s/h cost WAY more...
That is better if you plan on selling items throughout the year. Or just pick 3 months a year to sell several things, get the 4.90 subscription for those months, sell to your heart's content, then cancel your subscription each time. This way you spent on $15 in fees.
That is definitely a way to keep the fees down...........had never thought of that angle but he does offer the $45 dollars to be billed monthly and the Buy and Sell Subscription can only be purchased in a lump sum.
Perhaps the greatest social service that can be rendered by anybody to this country and to mankind is to bring up a family. - George Bernard Shaw
It's more than the B&S forums
I've been at FM for 3 years with close to 1,000 posts, many friendships, and much good advice taken and hopefully some given.
Two thirds of my gear has come from the FM B&S forum at great prices with no hassles but I don't live on the B&S forum there .. more often I'll check the sports or pro forums to see what's happening, and maybe post a reply or two or ask a question.
So it's more of a community type of deal for me .. and losing the community is the real risk Fred is taking by charging to post in his B&S forum .. boatloads of FM refugees are now joining other forums primarily as a place to trade their gear, but will also participate in the other forums as well and will probably become regular contributors. And that is how a site grows, and that is how FM will be challenged with a loss of members .. and at a time when the site is painfully slow, the software is outdated, the moderators are overworked & touchy, some of the members feel unwelcome, and Fred is asking for money
An unfortunate byproduct of growth is often losing appreciation for the very things that gave the growth in the first place.
Mike
I've been at FM for 3 years with close to 1,000 posts, many friendships, and much good advice taken and hopefully some given.
Two thirds of my gear has come from the FM B&S forum at great prices with no hassles but I don't live on the B&S forum there .. more often I'll check the sports or pro forums to see what's happening, and maybe post a reply or two or ask a question.
So it's more of a community type of deal for me .. and losing the community is the real risk Fred is taking by charging to post in his B&S forum .. boatloads of FM refugees are now joining other forums primarily as a place to trade their gear, but will also participate in the other forums as well and will probably become regular contributors. And that is how a site grows, and that is how FM will be challenged with a loss of members .. and at a time when the site is painfully slow, the software is outdated, the moderators are overworked & touchy, some of the members feel unwelcome, and Fred is asking for money
An unfortunate byproduct of growth is often losing appreciation for the very things that gave the growth in the first place.
Mike
On Fred's behalf, he has really been active in a thread that will promote a better forum. He has about 5 changes he will be making, and these changes will bring probably 50% of the members back. Between the $25 fee and the sort/search/speed/forum breakout, it will be close to the more modern boards (hopefully!).
In any case, the community members at FM that have moved around a bit all win. You are now a member of other communities, and FM will be revamped to a better forum as a result. There is no real downside, except a little of the revenue sold on FM goes to the site.
Only time will tell! Welcome to this site, the mods are friendly and quickly respond, and the members are great.
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I've been at FM for 3 years with close to 1,000 posts, many friendships, and much good advice taken and hopefully some given.
Two thirds of my gear has come from the FM B&S forum at great prices with no hassles but I don't live on the B&S forum there .. more often I'll check the sports or pro forums to see what's happening, and maybe post a reply or two or ask a question.
So it's more of a community type of deal for me .. and losing the community is the real risk Fred is taking by charging to post in his B&S forum .. boatloads of FM refugees are now joining other forums primarily as a place to trade their gear, but will also participate in the other forums as well and will probably become regular contributors. And that is how a site grows, and that is how FM will be challenged with a loss of members .. and at a time when the site is painfully slow, the software is outdated, the moderators are overworked & touchy, some of the members feel unwelcome, and Fred is asking for money
An unfortunate byproduct of growth is often losing appreciation for the very things that gave the growth in the first place.
Mike
Very good points. I've been at FM since '03 (gah! that long?!) and I've seen the growing pains. I think part of the issue is the growth bringing in less-constructive members & how the community handles it. But that's something all fora have to deal with if they are successful. Right now FM is going through a rough spot (I've seen a lot of stupid arguments). I figure the current upheaval will convince some (hopefully mainly less-welcome types) to move on.
I don't see the exodus as entirely an either FM or other fora thing. I hang out both here and at FM (and sometimes POTN as well...ok I'm a junkie...) and I'll bet a number of the refugees will do the same in time.
So I took a look at POTN for the first time...I have more looking to do, but the very first thing I noticed was...ads everywhere. I hate ads on websites I frequent, and I'm sure glad that dgrin will never have any ads or ask for any subscription fees. That plus the added benefit of our shootouts, contests, I just wish more people would discover our dgrinny goodness.
So I took a look at POTN for the first time...I have more looking to do, but the very first thing I noticed was...ads everywhere. I hate ads on websites I frequent, and I'm sure glad that dgrin will never have any ads or ask for any subscription fees. That plus the added benefit of our shootouts, contests, I just wish more people would discover our dgrinny goodness.
POTN has all kinds of contests, and they have forums dedicated to mini-contests, like macros, what comes before me is.., etc. The ads are somewhat distracting, yes.
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POTN has all kinds of contests, and they have forums dedicated to mini-contests, like macros, what comes before me is.., etc. The ads are somewhat distracting, yes.
And they use SmugMug to host their photos. Small world, eh?
POTN is a very well established site - one of the more well established photo forums out there really. But dgrin is at a point in its existence where it has more of a 'club feel', probably similar to what POTN was like a long while back. Hopefully dgrin can remain this way for a long time......
Perhaps the greatest social service that can be rendered by anybody to this country and to mankind is to bring up a family. - George Bernard Shaw
dgrin is at a point in its existence where it has more of a 'club feel', probably similar to what POTN was like a long while back. Hopefully dgrin can remain this way for a long time......
Because it's friendly and cosy. A nice place to be.
Hey, I didn't ask you! Sheesh! You're a mod, for goodness sakes. I'm talking to you about this every day!
Seriously, I am hoping for some specifics about what is lost when you get the size of a place like POTN. And part of what I'm looking for is ways to keep whatever that is, yet still grow and be of use to more and more people.
Hey, I didn't ask you! Sheesh! You're a mod, for goodness sakes. I'm talking to you about this every day!
Seriously, I am hoping for some specifics about what is lost when you get the size of a place like POTN. And part of what I'm looking for is ways to keep whatever that is, yet still grow and be of use to more and more people.
Open communications with members that are courteous and considerate of others. As memberships grow, you will get that element that is strictly looking out for themselves (scams, discourteous, chip on their shoulder, know it all etc), so then the only options left to mods are to either create rules in which govern these bad apples or ban them, and they just come back with a vengeance under a new name, etc. It is the 80/20 rule, you start putting 80% of the rules in place for the bad 20% of the population. You see with the laws that are passed daily.
Hope this helps.
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Open communications with members that are courteous and considerate of others. As memberships grow, you will get that element that is strictly looking out for themselves (scams, discourteous, chip on their shoulder, know it all etc), so then the only options left to mods are to either create rules in which govern these bad apples or ban them, and they just come back with a vengeance under a new name, etc. It is the 80/20 rule, you start putting 80% of the rules in place for the bad 20% of the population. You see with the laws that are passed daily.
Seriously, I am hoping for some specifics about what is lost when you get the size of a place like POTN. And part of what I'm looking for is ways to keep whatever that is, yet still grow and be of use to more and more people.
There are advantages and disadvantages to growing to the size of something like POTN. Advantages would be more people seeing your work and potentially providing feedback, more people viewing your items for sale and potentially buying them, more items for you to look at and buy, exposure to a larger group of photographers and their expertise and so forth.
I think that some disadvantages though would be more and more people joining that are not productive or that try to contribute to the forum, when you post photos for feedback they slip down to page 6 quicker than you can say "please", moderators have less and less time for attention to issues that you bring up, threads have more of a chance to turn into flame wars simply due to people being there to argue and so forth and so on.
There is something to be said for a forum that is still sized to the point where everyone knows everyone and there is kind of a set of unwritten rules that keeps everyone in "check" in certain areas. I think that a lot of that goes out the window when you reach a certain level of membership.
I have seen some people join a forum like POTN, never receive the level of feedback or communication with the other members that they were looking for and just leave the forum for good after a short time.
Perhaps the greatest social service that can be rendered by anybody to this country and to mankind is to bring up a family. - George Bernard Shaw
when you post photos for feedback they slip down to page 6 quicker than you can say "please"...
I have seen some people join a forum like POTN, never receive the level of feedback or communication with the other members that they were looking for and just leave the forum for good after a short time.
First thing I noticed when I visited POTN yesterday.
Hey, I didn't ask you! Sheesh! You're a mod, for goodness sakes. I'm talking to you about this every day!
Seriously, I am hoping for some specifics about what is lost when you get the size of a place like POTN. And part of what I'm looking for is ways to keep whatever that is, yet still grow and be of use to more and more people.
But he nailed it. Right now Dgrin still feels more like a small town where you know everyone and the trboulemakers haven't found it yet. POTN and FM have grown to big-city size. Good points are lots of input and many varied members; bad points are the troublemakers have now been attracted and have reduced the patience of some valued old-timers or driven others off.
I know he did. But as moderators, we're talking about these issues all the time; I've heard enough from him . I just wanted to make sure that I heard it all from you guys, since you do have a different perspective than we do.
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much.
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Fred Miranda has compromised and added a "Buy and Sell Subscription" as a stand alone offering outside the photo hosting option for $45. The buy and sell subscription is $24.90 and allows you to post items for sale at FM, but not use the FM photo host. The $45 dollars per year allows you to do both.
Thoughts? (It's still not attractive to me as a 'once in a while' seller.)
That is better if you plan on selling items throughout the year. Or just pick 3 months a year to sell several things, get the 4.90 subscription for those months, sell to your heart's content, then cancel your subscription each time. This way you spent on $15 in fees.
That was my line of thought too. I only sell big ticket items (or a whole lot in once shot) on FM, and they usually sell within a few days.
Paying $4.95 on top of getting several hundred dollars back - come on, paypal fees and s/h cost WAY more...
That is definitely a way to keep the fees down...........had never thought of that angle but he does offer the $45 dollars to be billed monthly and the Buy and Sell Subscription can only be purchased in a lump sum.
I've been at FM for 3 years with close to 1,000 posts, many friendships, and much good advice taken and hopefully some given.
Two thirds of my gear has come from the FM B&S forum at great prices with no hassles but I don't live on the B&S forum there .. more often I'll check the sports or pro forums to see what's happening, and maybe post a reply or two or ask a question.
So it's more of a community type of deal for me .. and losing the community is the real risk Fred is taking by charging to post in his B&S forum .. boatloads of FM refugees are now joining other forums primarily as a place to trade their gear, but will also participate in the other forums as well and will probably become regular contributors. And that is how a site grows, and that is how FM will be challenged with a loss of members .. and at a time when the site is painfully slow, the software is outdated, the moderators are overworked & touchy, some of the members feel unwelcome, and Fred is asking for money
An unfortunate byproduct of growth is often losing appreciation for the very things that gave the growth in the first place.
Mike
In any case, the community members at FM that have moved around a bit all win. You are now a member of other communities, and FM will be revamped to a better forum as a result. There is no real downside, except a little of the revenue sold on FM goes to the site.
Only time will tell! Welcome to this site, the mods are friendly and quickly respond, and the members are great.
Very well said Mike............very well said.
Very good points. I've been at FM since '03 (gah! that long?!) and I've seen the growing pains. I think part of the issue is the growth bringing in less-constructive members & how the community handles it. But that's something all fora have to deal with if they are successful. Right now FM is going through a rough spot (I've seen a lot of stupid arguments). I figure the current upheaval will convince some (hopefully mainly less-welcome types) to move on.
I don't see the exodus as entirely an either FM or other fora thing. I hang out both here and at FM (and sometimes POTN as well...ok I'm a junkie...) and I'll bet a number of the refugees will do the same in time.
http://www.chrislaudermilkphoto.com/
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POTN has all kinds of contests, and they have forums dedicated to mini-contests, like macros, what comes before me is.., etc. The ads are somewhat distracting, yes.
And they use SmugMug to host their photos. Small world, eh?
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Why?
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Hey, I didn't ask you! Sheesh! You're a mod, for goodness sakes. I'm talking to you about this every day!
Seriously, I am hoping for some specifics about what is lost when you get the size of a place like POTN. And part of what I'm looking for is ways to keep whatever that is, yet still grow and be of use to more and more people.
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Open communications with members that are courteous and considerate of others. As memberships grow, you will get that element that is strictly looking out for themselves (scams, discourteous, chip on their shoulder, know it all etc), so then the only options left to mods are to either create rules in which govern these bad apples or ban them, and they just come back with a vengeance under a new name, etc. It is the 80/20 rule, you start putting 80% of the rules in place for the bad 20% of the population. You see with the laws that are passed daily.
Hope this helps.
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There are advantages and disadvantages to growing to the size of something like POTN. Advantages would be more people seeing your work and potentially providing feedback, more people viewing your items for sale and potentially buying them, more items for you to look at and buy, exposure to a larger group of photographers and their expertise and so forth.
I think that some disadvantages though would be more and more people joining that are not productive or that try to contribute to the forum, when you post photos for feedback they slip down to page 6 quicker than you can say "please", moderators have less and less time for attention to issues that you bring up, threads have more of a chance to turn into flame wars simply due to people being there to argue and so forth and so on.
There is something to be said for a forum that is still sized to the point where everyone knows everyone and there is kind of a set of unwritten rules that keeps everyone in "check" in certain areas. I think that a lot of that goes out the window when you reach a certain level of membership.
I have seen some people join a forum like POTN, never receive the level of feedback or communication with the other members that they were looking for and just leave the forum for good after a short time.
First thing I noticed when I visited POTN yesterday.
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But he nailed it. Right now Dgrin still feels more like a small town where you know everyone and the trboulemakers haven't found it yet. POTN and FM have grown to big-city size. Good points are lots of input and many varied members; bad points are the troublemakers have now been attracted and have reduced the patience of some valued old-timers or driven others off.
http://www.chrislaudermilkphoto.com/
I know he did. But as moderators, we're talking about these issues all the time; I've heard enough from him
This feedback is great. Keep it coming!
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