Ordered a copy of Eat to LIve from Barnes and Noble dot com from a resellar of thiers, A1Books, for the low price of 8.96 + s/h.....I was looking for used but this brand new book caught my eye at the great discount.....neither Eat to Live of the China study can I find in any Brick and Mortar bookstrore in this god forsaken town.......it was shipped media mail so I am hoping to have it before the weeken
Ordered a copy of Eat to LIve from Barnes and Noble dot com from a resellar of thiers, A1Books, for the low price of 8.96 + s/h.....I was looking for used but this brand new book caught my eye at the great discount.....neither Eat to Live of the China study can I find in any Brick and Mortar bookstrore in this god forsaken town.......it was shipped media mail so I am hoping to have it before the weeken
Even Barnes and Noble on N. Rock? How about the local book store on 13th (or is it central)? Both on the east side.
I guess I'm not surprised you can't find them tbh.
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Tap water from a good old fashioned drinking glass, anyone?
Actually only do so at work, at home we have a water cooler that uses 20L refundable plastic bottles. Still use drinking glasses.
However, I do buy bottled water when travelling or when I cannot get tap water. There is some staggering stat regarding the number of times water bottles would cirlce the earth if lined end to end.
Yeah I got a lecture at the gym last night from my trainer about how Nalgene bottles are no longer being sold in Canada because of that... off to Google to see what the deal is. - Edit: ignore this. I accidentally posted when I was not actually done reading your posts.... I'm new to this forum stuff - can you tell
Tap water from a good old fashioned drinking glass, anyone?
Actually only do so at work, at home we have a water cooler that uses 20L refundable plastic bottles. Still use drinking glasses.
However, I do buy bottled water when travelling or when I cannot get tap water. There is some staggering stat regarding the number of times water bottles would cirlce the earth if lined end to end.
I bought the bottle for hiking and when I'm out doors. And then thought it was a great everyday use item.
I bought the bottle for hiking and when I'm out doors. And then thought it was a great everyday use item.
Of course you're right - it is reusable and so works like a drinking glass, especially if you are using tap water to fill. One honest problem with reusable plastic drinking bottles is that they have a short life span - from the point of view of getting them clean. And in my experience, they have a short life span because the lids get misplaced, or they crack etc.
I know the other 500ml or 1L water bottles get recycled and made into interesting products, but really how much polar fleece can the world stand to have?
Even Barnes and Noble on N. Rock? How about the local book store on 13th (or is it central)? Both on the east side.
I guess I'm not surprised you can't find them tbh.
Mike,
I have run the gamut of bookstores in this town...even those little tiny waldenbooks...but when I go booking....I start at 29th and North Rock Rd and I travel south to Borders then on South to B&N again....then over to Woodlawn to the Health Food store that has a ton and I mean over 30 tiltle on vegan and vegetarianism but no china study or eat to live...actually the owner never heard of it and told me it must be a California thingy:D.....then I head over to north Maize Rd and
borders there as these stores do not carry the same stock and the online ability is not very realiable at all.....many time I went in to get something that was suppoedly in stock only to find it had never been there and was a special order item only..........
At least I have Eat to Live coming and will see how that goes for now.
With that and my new diabetic tea I am developing I may get my bloodsugar down and actually lose some weight also.
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I was in Ohio for a week and couldn't find The China Study or Eat to Live there either, even though The China Study was at #200 on Amazon for two years (it's now around 300). Some of the books I browsed there on dieting were appalling.
One problem is Colin Campbell, who wrote The China Study, is the consummate scientist, careful about what he says and, well, boring. And almost 80.
But boy, he knows his stuff. This is what he's like on stage:
I was in Ohio for a week and couldn't find The China Study or Eat to Live there either, even though The China Study was at #200 on Amazon for two years (it's now around 300). Some of the books I browsed there on dieting were appalling.
One problem is Colin Campbell, who wrote The China Study, is the consummate scientist, careful about what he says and, well, boring. And almost 80.
But boy, he knows his stuff. This is what he's like on stage:
I have a friend who eats according to metabolic typing/Weston-Price, and we have long discussions about food. He's very healthy, great cholesterol/blood levels, 6'1" and weighs 165 lbs. He eats eggs, butter, lamb, cream and lots of vegetables. Can't say as he has any obvious health problems because of his diet.
He watched this video, and was pointing out that as scientific as Campbell is, his response is far from that, and is more of a character assassination. I couldn't really argue that point. I wish that Campbell had kept more to the science in that clip.
I was in Ohio for a week and couldn't find The China Study or Eat to Live there either, even though The China Study was at #200 on Amazon for two years (it's now around 300). Some of the books I browsed there on dieting were appalling.
I can definitely help on bookstores next time you are here. RE: the dietary habits? Not much I can do there. It always amazes the West Coast folks who visit what the attitude towards food is here. At least we have the largest Whole Foods in the country (except the one next to the home office).
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I have a friend who eats according to metabolic typing/Weston-Price, and we have long discussions about food. He's very healthy, great cholesterol/blood levels, 6'1" and weighs 165 lbs. He eats eggs, butter, lamb, cream and lots of vegetables. Can't say as he has any obvious health problems because of his diet.
He watched this video, and was pointing out that as scientific as Campbell is, his response is far from that, and is more of a character assassination. I couldn't really argue that point. I wish that Campbell had kept more to the science in that clip.
I would say kudos to your friend for his good health. Anyone who has those numbers has my respect, although I have friends with numbers like that who live on fast food. So far so good for them, but a mountain of data suggests the long term will be a different story.
I think Weston Price accomplishes a lot of good things, just like the Atkins diet did, namely encouraging its followers to eat lots of veggies and stay away from refined foods. And they correctly point out that many vegetarians do not have great diets because of their reliance on low nutrient-density grains.
I tried to read the stuff from Dr. Stephen Byrnes, who was a leading light at Weston Price, about such things as butter being the X-factor and saturated fats not causing heart disease. If you check his references, your eyebrows go up quickly -- references such as paperbacks on conspiracy theories about cholesterol from Bantam Books, as one example. And it was startling to me that he died of a massive stroke at age 45.
I tried to read Kaayla T. Daniel's book, The Whole Soy Story. Turns out she's on Weston Price's board, got her Phd recently from the Union Institute by correspondence in anti-aging therapies, and though her website is improving it still has crazy references and links -- like "Vegan parents convicted of murder in the death of child." Last month it had the quote, "Midwives and witches have known for centuries that soy causes infertility."
She does have some simple and good things to say, that soy isolates are unhealthy. So are corn isolates (corn syrup), beef isolates (lard), etc., but it doesn't mean I'm gonna write a book on throwing corn out of our diets and ignore an unbelievably convincing mountain of data showing soy to be healthy like other whole legumes.
Dr. Mercola succeeded Dr. Byrnes and his stuff is even harder for me to fathom, but this is starting to get long and boring, no?
Interesting that they'd even break it down for cost/calorie. Does that info actually help anyone?
Speaking of cost, I just had a conversation with a friend yesterday who is on a very tight budget and admitted to eating one of those $.75/can spaghetti things for lunch every day for the last few years. And she strives to be healthy, too. I advised a simple (and economical, not to mention more filling) plate of beans and brown rice instead.
The thought of the Chef Boyardee technomiracle-in-a-can is enough to make me feel queasy. :uhoh
I advised a simple (and economical, not to mention more filling) plate of beans and brown rice instead.
The thought of the Chef Boyardee technomiracle-in-a-can is enough to make me feel queasy. :uhoh
My Chinese chef friend and his wife had mestart using red rice instead of brown....it is suppose to be more healthy accoding to a friend that is a chineses dietician....(I do not take much advice on healthy eatring from those that are not asian, except on adive I read here in this forum:D)
Chef Boyardee.....is probably one of thereason that america has all the health problems we have now......think of how many generations was raised on his ravioli and other products........I know my generation was brainwashed into thinking that his products were good for you and also Kraft mac / cheese.....and therest of the stuff in ready to eat cans and boxes....it really scary out there in the grocery aisles.................
The thought of the Chef Boyardee technomiracle-in-a-can is enough to make me feel queasy. :uhoh
About a year ago, I was seeing my GP and we were talking about all the wonderful improvements I needed to reintroduce into my life. My family has a history of heart disease and the one thing I hadn't thought of much before then was the amount of sodium I ingest.
"But I don't put salt on anything" I told him. "Do you eat frozen dinners, or at restaurants?" he asked. "They are the worse offenders for flavoring and as a preservative." I now read that part of the label. Even the 'healthy' premium organic chips have 170-240mg sodium per serving - same as Doritos! Maybe no trans fat, but actually worse for people like me!
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She does have some simple and good things to say, that soy isolates are unhealthy. So are corn isolates (corn syrup), beef isolates (lard), etc., but it doesn't mean I'm gonna write a book on throwing corn out of our diets and ignore an unbelievably convincing mountain of data showing soy to be healthy like other whole legumes.
Dr. Mercola succeeded Dr. Byrnes and his stuff is even harder for me to fathom, but this is starting to get long and boring, no?
By soy isolates do you mean the stuff that goes into faux meat products?
edit: I looked it up and the answer is yes according to this site (which appears to be vegan-friendly btw). It also says " There have been studies showing that 40 grams of these foods can act like casein on cancer cells." This is the first I've seen of this and they do not provide a reference for that claim. If true, any china studier knows how bad that can be. So far, I've yet to see any other reference to that.
In the mean time, no more boca burgers or TVP for me :cry
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In the mean time, no more boca burgers or TVP for me :cry
Mike, good to know! I am new to TVP but see it in recipes so I bought a little. I haven't used it yet, but I was looking up what the heck it was and was more than a little frightened by this on Wikipedia:
TVP is made through a process known as "extrusion cooking". A dough is formed from high PDI (Protein Dispersibility Index) defatted soy flour and water in a "preconditioner" (mixing cylinder) and cooked during passage through the barrel of a screw type extruder such as the Wenger. Sometimes steam from an external source is employed to aid in the cooking process.
Upon exiting the die, superheated steam escapes, rapidly producing an expanded, spongy yet fibrous lamination of thermoplastic soy flour which takes on the various shapes of the die as it is sliced into granules, flakes, chunks, goulash, steakettes (schnitzel), etc., by revolving knives, and then dried in an oven.
Mmmmm. Maybe I'll use it in some kind of art project instead.
So what's your favorite quick-grab snack when you're feeling stressed? This is my big problem area. I love raw nuts and cranberries, but I know I depend on them too much. I could sure use some alternatives. I'm a nut freak and they are so satisfying, and of course, good for you. But.....lots of calories.
So what's your favorite quick-grab snack when you're feeling stressed? This is my big problem area. I love raw nuts and cranberries, but I know I depend on them too much. I could sure use some alternatives. I'm a nut freak and they are so satisfying, and of course, good for you. But.....lots of calories.
Carrots and Hummus for me.
You get the crunchy and the smooth, and then the sweetness of the carrot goes really well with the hummus. I just snack on that all evening, sometimes eating enough of it to skip dinner (probably not the best idea).
So what's your favorite quick-grab snack when you're feeling stressed? This is my big problem area. I love raw nuts and cranberries, but I know I depend on them too much. I could sure use some alternatives. I'm a nut freak and they are so satisfying, and of course, good for you. But.....lots of calories.
I like muffins because I can pre-make them and they'll keep, plus I can gutload them. I make more health-conscious substitutions for white flour and any sugars, and add in shredded veggies (carrots, zucchini, etc) and shredded or dried fruits (berries, mango, etc). I haven't read the China Study yet so I'm not sure how he feels about eggs, but I usually substitute for those also just because I don't eat them and never have in the fridge. The few times I've used eggs, the muffins seem fluffier but I don't think they taste bad without them (I could just be used to it, though). You can use any standard muffin recipe, and adapt to your likes and needs. I love nuts in my muffins - I still get that crunch, but in a more easily moderated format lol.
My two older boys have a bit of a sweet tooth; I offer them frozen berries to gnaw on. Just takes about 3-4 minutes to defrost in a hot pan, and they are crunchy sweet (especially when mixed with a spoonful of chopped nuts).
I like to gnaw on cold edamame, or peas (I like snow peas for cooking and salads, but snap peas for snacking). I prefer peas to raw carrots and celery. Peas taste sweet enough for me that I don't need a dip for them.
Also, I'm most stressed (and thus prone to snack) at late nighttime. I want something warm and "substantive," not necessarily cold veggies lol. For those times I make a hot "tea" ... just some veggie broth to drink down. Or if I have it already made, I'll warm up some soup. I try to make batches of soup to freeze for later, and sometimes even a cup of hot soup will take the edge off and fill me up easily. It's easy enough to defrost if you freeze it in appropriate portion sizes just as quick as grabbing a handful of nuts.
I like granola bars, too, and always keep those handy in my purse and car for when I'm on the go. They aren't necessarily the MOST healthful, but sometimes they are the lesser of the available evils. You could even modify a recipe to make it ETL friendly, I'm sure, and make your own.
I don't understand why Fuhrman includes TVP in some of his recipes. Talk about highly processed.
Same for Boca Burgers. You're better off without them!
Amen!
I think TVP and Boca Burgers are a prime example of a junkfood veg*n product, and a good reminder that just because something is marketed as being veg*n doesn't mean it is necessarily a (good) health product.
Another shoutout to TEMPEH which is a more healthful and tasteful alternative. It can be easily substituted in many recipes calling for meat, mushrooms, or firm/extra-firm tofu, OR added to stirfries. If you're unsure of the taste, a good first dish to try it in is a veg*n chili.
I think TVP and Boca Burgers are a prime example of a junkfood veg*n product, and a good reminder that just because something is marketed as being veg*n doesn't mean it is necessarily a (good) health product.
Another shoutout to TEMPEH which is a more healthful and tasteful alternative. It can be easily substituted in many recipes calling for meat, mushrooms, or firm/extra-firm tofu, OR added to stirfries. If you're unsure of the taste, a good first dish to try it in is a veg*n chili.
I love tempeh! I've searched several different stores from very large supermarkets to small mom & pop stores specializing in vegan food of all kinds and nobody has it. I don't much care for tofu, and in any case every recipe I ever see calls for extra firm tofu and all I can get here is firm or soft. So frustrating :splat
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Share the link anyway? I get a fair amount of vendorware at work, Nunc/Nalge/Nalgene being one of them...
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The info I found was here.
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I guess I'm not surprised you can't find them tbh.
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Actually only do so at work, at home we have a water cooler that uses 20L refundable plastic bottles. Still use drinking glasses.
However, I do buy bottled water when travelling or when I cannot get tap water. There is some staggering stat regarding the number of times water bottles would cirlce the earth if lined end to end.
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I bought the bottle for hiking and when I'm out doors. And then thought it was a great everyday use item.
Of course you're right - it is reusable and so works like a drinking glass, especially if you are using tap water to fill. One honest problem with reusable plastic drinking bottles is that they have a short life span - from the point of view of getting them clean. And in my experience, they have a short life span because the lids get misplaced, or they crack etc.
I know the other 500ml or 1L water bottles get recycled and made into interesting products, but really how much polar fleece can the world stand to have?
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Mike,
I have run the gamut of bookstores in this town...even those little tiny waldenbooks...but when I go booking....I start at 29th and North Rock Rd and I travel south to Borders then on South to B&N again....then over to Woodlawn to the Health Food store that has a ton and I mean over 30 tiltle on vegan and vegetarianism but no china study or eat to live...actually the owner never heard of it and told me it must be a California thingy:D.....then I head over to north Maize Rd and
borders there as these stores do not carry the same stock and the online ability is not very realiable at all.....many time I went in to get something that was suppoedly in stock only to find it had never been there and was a special order item only..........
At least I have Eat to Live coming and will see how that goes for now.
With that and my new diabetic tea I am developing I may get my bloodsugar down and actually lose some weight also.
One problem is Colin Campbell, who wrote The China Study, is the consummate scientist, careful about what he says and, well, boring. And almost 80.
But boy, he knows his stuff. This is what he's like on stage:
I have a friend who eats according to metabolic typing/Weston-Price, and we have long discussions about food. He's very healthy, great cholesterol/blood levels, 6'1" and weighs 165 lbs. He eats eggs, butter, lamb, cream and lots of vegetables. Can't say as he has any obvious health problems because of his diet.
He watched this video, and was pointing out that as scientific as Campbell is, his response is far from that, and is more of a character assassination. I couldn't really argue that point. I wish that Campbell had kept more to the science in that clip.
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I can definitely help on bookstores next time you are here. RE: the dietary habits? Not much I can do there. It always amazes the West Coast folks who visit what the attitude towards food is here. At least we have the largest Whole Foods in the country (except the one next to the home office).
-Fleetwood Mac
I think Weston Price accomplishes a lot of good things, just like the Atkins diet did, namely encouraging its followers to eat lots of veggies and stay away from refined foods. And they correctly point out that many vegetarians do not have great diets because of their reliance on low nutrient-density grains.
I tried to read the stuff from Dr. Stephen Byrnes, who was a leading light at Weston Price, about such things as butter being the X-factor and saturated fats not causing heart disease. If you check his references, your eyebrows go up quickly -- references such as paperbacks on conspiracy theories about cholesterol from Bantam Books, as one example. And it was startling to me that he died of a massive stroke at age 45.
I tried to read Kaayla T. Daniel's book, The Whole Soy Story. Turns out she's on Weston Price's board, got her Phd recently from the Union Institute by correspondence in anti-aging therapies, and though her website is improving it still has crazy references and links -- like "Vegan parents convicted of murder in the death of child." Last month it had the quote, "Midwives and witches have known for centuries that soy causes infertility."
She does have some simple and good things to say, that soy isolates are unhealthy. So are corn isolates (corn syrup), beef isolates (lard), etc., but it doesn't mean I'm gonna write a book on throwing corn out of our diets and ignore an unbelievably convincing mountain of data showing soy to be healthy like other whole legumes.
Dr. Mercola succeeded Dr. Byrnes and his stuff is even harder for me to fathom, but this is starting to get long and boring, no?
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Speaking of cost, I just had a conversation with a friend yesterday who is on a very tight budget and admitted to eating one of those $.75/can spaghetti things for lunch every day for the last few years. And she strives to be healthy, too. I advised a simple (and economical, not to mention more filling) plate of beans and brown rice instead.
The thought of the Chef Boyardee technomiracle-in-a-can is enough to make me feel queasy. :uhoh
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My Chinese chef friend and his wife had mestart using red rice instead of brown....it is suppose to be more healthy accoding to a friend that is a chineses dietician....(I do not take much advice on healthy eatring from those that are not asian, except on adive I read here in this forum:D)
Chef Boyardee.....is probably one of thereason that america has all the health problems we have now......think of how many generations was raised on his ravioli and other products........I know my generation was brainwashed into thinking that his products were good for you and also Kraft mac / cheese.....and therest of the stuff in ready to eat cans and boxes....it really scary out there in the grocery aisles.................
About a year ago, I was seeing my GP and we were talking about all the wonderful improvements I needed to reintroduce into my life. My family has a history of heart disease and the one thing I hadn't thought of much before then was the amount of sodium I ingest.
"But I don't put salt on anything" I told him. "Do you eat frozen dinners, or at restaurants?" he asked. "They are the worse offenders for flavoring and as a preservative." I now read that part of the label. Even the 'healthy' premium organic chips have 170-240mg sodium per serving - same as Doritos! Maybe no trans fat, but actually worse for people like me!
-Fleetwood Mac
edit: I looked it up and the answer is yes according to this site (which appears to be vegan-friendly btw). It also says " There have been studies showing that 40 grams of these foods can act like casein on cancer cells." This is the first I've seen of this and they do not provide a reference for that claim. If true, any china studier knows how bad that can be. So far, I've yet to see any other reference to that.
In the mean time, no more boca burgers or TVP for me :cry
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Mmmmm. Maybe I'll use it in some kind of art project instead.
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Same for Boca Burgers. You're better off without them!
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Carrots and Hummus for me.
You get the crunchy and the smooth, and then the sweetness of the carrot goes really well with the hummus. I just snack on that all evening, sometimes eating enough of it to skip dinner (probably not the best idea).
I like muffins because I can pre-make them and they'll keep, plus I can gutload them. I make more health-conscious substitutions for white flour and any sugars, and add in shredded veggies (carrots, zucchini, etc) and shredded or dried fruits (berries, mango, etc). I haven't read the China Study yet so I'm not sure how he feels about eggs, but I usually substitute for those also just because I don't eat them and never have in the fridge. The few times I've used eggs, the muffins seem fluffier but I don't think they taste bad without them (I could just be used to it, though). You can use any standard muffin recipe, and adapt to your likes and needs. I love nuts in my muffins - I still get that crunch, but in a more easily moderated format lol.
My two older boys have a bit of a sweet tooth; I offer them frozen berries to gnaw on. Just takes about 3-4 minutes to defrost in a hot pan, and they are crunchy sweet (especially when mixed with a spoonful of chopped nuts).
I like to gnaw on cold edamame, or peas (I like snow peas for cooking and salads, but snap peas for snacking). I prefer peas to raw carrots and celery. Peas taste sweet enough for me that I don't need a dip for them.
Also, I'm most stressed (and thus prone to snack) at late nighttime. I want something warm and "substantive," not necessarily cold veggies lol. For those times I make a hot "tea" ... just some veggie broth to drink down. Or if I have it already made, I'll warm up some soup. I try to make batches of soup to freeze for later, and sometimes even a cup of hot soup will take the edge off and fill me up easily. It's easy enough to defrost if you freeze it in appropriate portion sizes
I like granola bars, too, and always keep those handy in my purse and car for when I'm on the go. They aren't necessarily the MOST healthful, but sometimes they are the lesser of the available evils. You could even modify a recipe to make it ETL friendly, I'm sure, and make your own.
Amen!
I think TVP and Boca Burgers are a prime example of a junkfood veg*n product, and a good reminder that just because something is marketed as being veg*n doesn't mean it is necessarily a (good) health product.
Another shoutout to TEMPEH which is a more healthful and tasteful alternative. It can be easily substituted in many recipes calling for meat, mushrooms, or firm/extra-firm tofu, OR added to stirfries. If you're unsure of the taste, a good first dish to try it in is a veg*n chili.
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I like Lara Bars for a quick snack. I'm also planning to give making these guys a try next week.