Two exposures, one at 1600ISO - F 1.4 - 10 sec, second at 1600ISO - F11 - 10 sec.
I took the second exposure for the city lights which were totally blown out in the first exposure, and blended them into the star file. It is fairly simple to open two files into one in Photoshop and then with some masking - done
I Simonius
Here are some, also click back two pages, I will continue to use it for many many many years:ivar
I was also using it in Maine, once I get a gallery up I will post it here.
Wow I am almost tempted to say that's impossible and this is a photochop job! Amazing that you can see the Milky Way through what we all thought was light pollution. Obviously we just weren't looking at it the right way!
Marc MuenchRegistered UsersPosts: 1,420Major grins
edited March 16, 2010
I too was amazed! though the conditions were ripe. It was 38 degrees out and the moon was down, leaving the sky as clear and dark as it ever gets here. I can't tell you how long I have looked at the Milky Way wanting to get a descent pic of it....
Here are the two RAW files used, beyond the blending I made one important curves adj to the stars which is move the top right corner to the left, blowing out just the tiny dots/stars. Really dont need detail in a star, after all who knows what you might see
Marc MuenchRegistered UsersPosts: 1,420Major grins
edited April 3, 2010
California Dreaming
Left home last Monday with my wife and two of my three kids on the annual spring break Mammoth ski trip! When no one was looking I slipped onto the I-5 North, which takes the van "by force", very close to the Antelope Valley Poppy Reserve:D
Because this route is longer and everyone knows it after many previous attempts in years past, many loud noises were heard from all the back seat drivers, sending a clear message to me that I will never again be allowed to drive to Mammoth:cry
Then, something very interesting occurred.
As we drove the two lane highway through mostly desolate high desert approaching the poppy reserve, everyone began sighing as if I had released a sedative inside the van. Of all the years I had by force, driven my kids by this place there had never been so many flowers covering the desert. I stopped the van, we all got out in the breezy sun and wondered around for a good long time
We made it to Mammoth and the next morning the weather changed!
With most of the mountain closed down due to high winds and bad conditions we went for a long walk into the back country.
Finally the clouds lifted and we could get a glimpse of what the storm had done to the summit of Mammoth. Nothing but deep powder
I have skied Mammoth almost every year since high school and not skied Chair 9 with only 6 tracks in the entire basin.
Well ok 7!
We even met up with my daughters boy friend who was happy to get his picture taken while taking off from Mammoth International!
I really try hard not to work during family vacations!
That means I dont carry a camera....... but on occasion, I find one in my pocket This trip was one of those amazing moments when things just happened and the conditions were so incredible that everything looked good. We had the time of our lives tip toeing through the Poppies, trudging through deep snow and skiing fresh powder all within three days! I do love this state
Marc MuenchRegistered UsersPosts: 1,420Major grins
edited April 15, 2010
Should I buy CS5?
I will upgrade for sure, because of several new improvements. First there is the content aware tools or as I call them "Cavemans Photoshop", as it will now be so easy to remove anything in a photo, even a caveman can do it
Second, is the new and much improved HDRpro that really has been improved and may replace Photomatix or at the least offer a variation for certain effects and images.
Third, there are many improvements made to Bridge, making LR all that much more useless to me!
I know there will be many additional features which I look forward to but for these reasons I will be upgrading.
BTW the brushes now work in the new ACR, no more terrible spots around the edges
If your income is not derived from licensing your images it is really not that big of a deal. But for myself and other colleagues its a huge deal that has become very frustrating. As much as I want to cruise the internet and have the content of the world free, I believe all good things cost and I am willing to pay!
Google and a few others would have you believe the opposite I am becoming very familiar with the online copyright registration process offered by the Library of Congress There are ways folks can decipher if a copyright has been chiseled away:D at least these days!
If your income is not derived from licensing your images it is really not that big of a deal. But for myself and other colleagues its a huge deal that has become very frustrating. As much as I want to cruise the internet and have the content of the world free, I believe all good things cost and I am willing to pay!
Google and a few others would have you believe the opposite I am becoming very familiar with the online copyright registration process offered by the Library of Congress There are ways folks can decipher if a copyright has been chiseled away:D at least these days!
Hi Marc,
I am not sure how paying for internet access (not counting (ISP's) versus the present model would protect your images?
I also didn't think about the content aware tool, but I will need to see it up front and personal before I know if it's actually useful for more than web or snap shots.
What do you mean by a copyright being chiseled away?
I too was amazed! though the conditions were ripe. It was 38 degrees out and the moon was down, leaving the sky as clear and dark as it ever gets here. I can't tell you how long I have looked at the Milky Way wanting to get a descent pic of it....
Here are the two RAW files used, beyond the blending I made one important curves adj to the stars which is move the top right corner to the left, blowing out just the tiny dots/stars. Really dont need detail in a star, after all who knows what you might see
Hi Marc,
This image is simply amazing. I had no idea we had the Milky Way viewable from here. Perhaps you don't want to give the secret away (though you don't seem that way), but can you please expand on how you got this shot?
You said it was the right environment for it...39 degrees and dark night...how did you figure that? Do I need to make friends with astronomy buffs??
Plus where is this location?? or can this be done from any location? I would like to replicate this shot if I can....I love space stuff and this photo just blows my mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WildViper
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What do you mean by a copyright being chiseled away?
With the new content aware fill on Photoshop CS5, you can delete objects and photoshop will work out what would be there. I've seen some pretty good demonstrations of it filling in where a horse used to be standing - they cut and paste the horse to move it to the right.
Don't get me wrong though - I won't be doing this at all - I understand where you are coming from Marc. Even as a hobbyist, I would prefer to see my photos with my name on them or paid for in full.
I there has to be a way to diddle the watermark such that removing it will leave remnants. Or code should be added to not touch specific objects.
Ian,
I really don't want additional code to cripple a tool. The last time I tried to scan a dollar bill and use it in a creative composite photoshop wouldn't allow me to print it! If this is no longer true please let me know.
Some excuse about counterfeiting. Now lets see how many counterfeiters are there versus honest users? Real counterfeiters will find a way around this, (use an older version of photoshop or other software) but what a pain if you trying to create an add or collage!
I am not sure how paying for internet access (not counting (ISP's) versus the present model would protect your images?
I also didn't think about the content aware tool, but I will need to see it up front and personal before I know if it's actually useful for more than web or snap shots.
What do you mean by a copyright being chiseled away?
Sam
Dont mean to imply paying for the access but only certain protected content, such as intellectual property!
It has been very possible for folks to remove/chisel away a copyright from digital files for years, now it will be much easier
And Ian is correct in that there have been and will be code that can be used to trace image files on the internet. This can be useful when tracking down illegal uses. Each digital file, I have been told, carries a unique signature which is what becomes potentially traceable. I can not tell you have many times I have found my images located in places they should not be. There are also digital watermarks that can be tagged or embedded to help the process. There is no better way to solve this issue than getting your images registered through the Library of Congress If the image is registered prior to the infringement your attorney fees are covered because it is a statutory punishment.
but can you please expand on how you got this shot?
You said it was the right environment for it...39 degrees and dark night...how did you figure that? Do I need to make friends with astronomy buffs??
Plus where is this location?? or can this be done from any location? I would like to replicate this shot if I can....I love space stuff and this photo just blows my mind.
This was taken next to the bench at the summit of La Cumbre Peak above Santa Barbara. The air is clearer when the temperature is lower and there is less humidity. The trick is simply the fast lens and ISO combination. F2.8 for 10 sec at ISO 1600. The elevation helps tremendously as there is far less atmospheric haze.
I would rec renting the lens from somewhere and giving it a whirl. Just make sure you get the version 2 as it is far sharper than previous ones and that makes a big diff when shooting for the stars
Dont mean to imply paying for the access but only certain protected content, such as intellectual property!
It has been very possible for folks to remove/chisel away a copyright from digital files for years, now it will be much easier
And Ian is correct in that there have been and will be code that can be used to trace image files on the internet. This can be useful when tracking down illegal uses. Each digital file, I have been told, carries a unique signature which is what becomes potentially traceable. I can not tell you have many times I have found my images located in places they should not be. There are also digital watermarks that can be tagged or embedded to help the process. There is no better way to solve this issue than getting your images registered through the Library of Congress If the image is registered prior to the infringement your attorney fees are covered because it is a statutory punishment.
Fun stuff hey
Ah...that clarifies it. I can't image how anyone could do it (but then again I don't really know how half of the technical gadgets I use work), but if they could protect intellectual property, I would sure be for it.
Ah......again....software / code to trace unauhorized use of intellectual property would be great and I do believe some form of it exists today.
I believe the casual stealing / snatching / grabbing / unauthorized use of intellectual property is a result of of an overall break down in society. I have seen photographers who will go apoplectic if they find someone is using one of there images, yet will feel justified in downloading copyrighted music for a DVD or their own use without paying for it.
I would be curious to know (in general) who, individual or business, personal use or commercial use your images have been snatched for.
Personally I have little understanding of taking an others image and representing it as mine.
I plan on waking up tomorrow to a world at peace, crime a thing of the past, and people respecting to rights of others.
If it isn't there I will just continue to clean the guns and fortify the house.
I really don't want additional code to cripple a tool. The last time I tried to scan a dollar bill and use it in a creative composite photoshop wouldn't allow me to print it! If this is no longer true please let me know.
Some excuse about counterfeiting. Now lets see how many counterfeiters are there versus honest users? Real counterfeiters will find a way around this, (use an older version of photoshop or other software) but what a pain if you trying to create an add or collage!
Sam
Sam, I can understand but if you're worried about copyright infringement, you should be thinking about what steps you can take to prevent it. Whether it's posting low res, watermarked images or something else--you should be looking at what steps are available to you. Longer term, it could happen that digital items are signed with a key or even encrypted allowing for some public viewing. Regardless. all that stuff can be circumvented (as you are well aware).
Scanning a dollar bill is thwarted in many ways. By the paper the bill is printed on (color, threads, embedded features, etc), by the fact only one type of press is used to print currency, by the copier manufacturers. etc. Each technology relies on some kind of code. Whether inks, software or other, it is code of sorts and someone has to do it.
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I think we are saying similar things. I agree on taking steps to prevent circumventing copyright and to identify and track it when it does happen. I don't want to see tools and capabilities crippled because someone could, maybe, possible use it to further criminal acctivity. Don't punish the innocent, punish the guilty!
I think your comments on the dollar bill is supporting my position. (Maybe not) As you state there are many ways governments protect and make it difficult for criminals to counterfeit, but to cripple say Photoshop is ridicules.
If I really wanted to, I am sure I could circumvent this, but it makes it more difficult to say create a collage with money in it, like say a poker game, or money flying out the window, or any creative concept with money.
As far as protecting copyright, I am starting a new company. This company will assist copyright holders in perusing and stopping the unathorized use of their work.
I will have associates located in all major cities. Once you the copyright holder has identified an unauthorized use we send out one of our representatives to have a friendly chat. No lawyers, no courts, no delays.
Payment can be made in small unmarked bills put into a PO box.
We have contacted Jack Bauer, and he has agreed to head up CPT. (Copyright protection Team)
I think your comments on the dollar bill is supporting my position. (Maybe not) As you state there are many ways governments protect and make it difficult for criminals to counterfeit, but to cripple say Photoshop is ridicules.
If I really wanted to, I am sure I could circumvent this, but it makes it more difficult to say create a collage with money in it, like say a poker game, or money flying out the window, or any creative concept with money.
I'm curious. You want to make creative use of money but can't because copying it doesn't work. And you don't want to "cripple" Photoshop because that's "ridiculous". Copying and scanning currency is "crippled" by the programs that run your scanner--in addition to the other stuff I mentioned and by laws preventing it.
If we had a reasonable way for signing a digital photo and for Photoshop to recognize that, how would it be different than the currency example I used? I certainly don't think that's crippling PS either.
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edited April 25, 2010
Happy for my dad! This image of his was selected by the ILCP to auction off at Cristies as one of the top 40 nature images of all time.
Wow!! What a breathtaking image, Marc! I'd hoped to go on your dad's workshop trip to Big Bend last week but wasn't able to. I feel I really missed an opportunity!
Thanks for sharing this shot--it's exquisite!
Lauren
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Two exposures, one at 1600ISO - F 1.4 - 10 sec, second at 1600ISO - F11 - 10 sec.
I took the second exposure for the city lights which were totally blown out in the first exposure, and blended them into the star file. It is fairly simple to open two files into one in Photoshop and then with some masking - done
I Simonius
Here are some, also click back two pages, I will continue to use it for many many many years:ivar
I was also using it in Maine, once I get a gallery up I will post it here.
Thanks
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Here are the two RAW files used, beyond the blending I made one important curves adj to the stars which is move the top right corner to the left, blowing out just the tiny dots/stars. Really dont need detail in a star, after all who knows what you might see
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Left home last Monday with my wife and two of my three kids on the annual spring break Mammoth ski trip! When no one was looking I slipped onto the I-5 North, which takes the van "by force", very close to the Antelope Valley Poppy Reserve:D
Because this route is longer and everyone knows it after many previous attempts in years past, many loud noises were heard from all the back seat drivers, sending a clear message to me that I will never again be allowed to drive to Mammoth:cry
Then, something very interesting occurred.
As we drove the two lane highway through mostly desolate high desert approaching the poppy reserve, everyone began sighing as if I had released a sedative inside the van. Of all the years I had by force, driven my kids by this place there had never been so many flowers covering the desert. I stopped the van, we all got out in the breezy sun and wondered around for a good long time
We made it to Mammoth and the next morning the weather changed!
With most of the mountain closed down due to high winds and bad conditions we went for a long walk into the back country.
Finally the clouds lifted and we could get a glimpse of what the storm had done to the summit of Mammoth. Nothing but deep powder
I have skied Mammoth almost every year since high school and not skied Chair 9 with only 6 tracks in the entire basin.
Well ok 7!
We even met up with my daughters boy friend who was happy to get his picture taken while taking off from Mammoth International!
I really try hard not to work during family vacations!
That means I dont carry a camera....... but on occasion, I find one in my pocket
Muench Workshops
MW on Facebook
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www.redleashphoto.com
Photos that don't suck / 365 / Film & Lomography
I will upgrade for sure, because of several new improvements. First there is the content aware tools or as I call them "Cavemans Photoshop", as it will now be so easy to remove anything in a photo, even a caveman can do it
Second, is the new and much improved HDRpro that really has been improved and may replace Photomatix or at the least offer a variation for certain effects and images.
Third, there are many improvements made to Bridge, making LR all that much more useless to me!
I know there will be many additional features which I look forward to but for these reasons I will be upgrading.
BTW the brushes now work in the new ACR, no more terrible spots around the edges
Muench Workshops
MW on Facebook
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I never thought of that!
Photos that don't suck / 365 / Film & Lomography
If your income is not derived from licensing your images it is really not that big of a deal. But for myself and other colleagues its a huge deal that has become very frustrating. As much as I want to cruise the internet and have the content of the world free, I believe all good things cost and I am willing to pay!
Google and a few others would have you believe the opposite
Muench Workshops
MW on Facebook
Hi Marc,
I am not sure how paying for internet access (not counting (ISP's) versus the present model would protect your images?
I also didn't think about the content aware tool, but I will need to see it up front and personal before I know if it's actually useful for more than web or snap shots.
What do you mean by a copyright being chiseled away?
Thanks!
Sam
Hi Marc,
This image is simply amazing. I had no idea we had the Milky Way viewable from here. Perhaps you don't want to give the secret away (though you don't seem that way), but can you please expand on how you got this shot?
You said it was the right environment for it...39 degrees and dark night...how did you figure that? Do I need to make friends with astronomy buffs??
Plus where is this location?? or can this be done from any location? I would like to replicate this shot if I can....I love space stuff and this photo just blows my mind.
WildViper
From Nikon D70s > Nikon D300s & D700
Nikon 50/1.8, Tamron 28-75/2.8 1st gen, Nikkor 12-24/4, Nikkor 70-200/2.8 ED VR, SB600, SB900, SB-26 and Gitzo 2 Series Carbon Fiber with Kirk Ballhead
With the new content aware fill on Photoshop CS5, you can delete objects and photoshop will work out what would be there. I've seen some pretty good demonstrations of it filling in where a horse used to be standing - they cut and paste the horse to move it to the right.
This means that it will be fairly simple and unnoticeable to 'chisel' out a © Marc Muench from the bottom corner.
Don't get me wrong though - I won't be doing this at all - I understand where you are coming from Marc. Even as a hobbyist, I would prefer to see my photos with my name on them or paid for in full.
Nikon D600
Samyang 14mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 24mm f/2.8 | Nikkor 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6 | Nikkor 50mm f/1.8
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Ian,
I really don't want additional code to cripple a tool. The last time I tried to scan a dollar bill and use it in a creative composite photoshop wouldn't allow me to print it! If this is no longer true please let me know.
Some excuse about counterfeiting. Now lets see how many counterfeiters are there versus honest users? Real counterfeiters will find a way around this, (use an older version of photoshop or other software) but what a pain if you trying to create an add or collage!
Sam
Dont mean to imply paying for the access but only certain protected content, such as intellectual property!
It has been very possible for folks to remove/chisel away a copyright from digital files for years, now it will be much easier
And Ian is correct in that there have been and will be code that can be used to trace image files on the internet. This can be useful when tracking down illegal uses. Each digital file, I have been told, carries a unique signature which is what becomes potentially traceable. I can not tell you have many times I have found my images located in places they should not be. There are also digital watermarks that can be tagged or embedded to help the process. There is no better way to solve this issue than getting your images registered through the Library of Congress
Fun stuff hey
Muench Workshops
MW on Facebook
This was taken next to the bench
I would rec renting the lens from somewhere and giving it a whirl. Just make sure you get the version 2 as it is far sharper than previous ones and that makes a big diff when shooting for the stars
Muench Workshops
MW on Facebook
Ah...that clarifies it. I can't image how anyone could do it (but then again I don't really know how half of the technical gadgets I use work), but if they could protect intellectual property, I would sure be for it.
Ah......again....software / code to trace unauhorized use of intellectual property would be great and I do believe some form of it exists today.
I believe the casual stealing / snatching / grabbing / unauthorized use of intellectual property is a result of of an overall break down in society. I have seen photographers who will go apoplectic if they find someone is using one of there images, yet will feel justified in downloading copyrighted music for a DVD or their own use without paying for it.
I would be curious to know (in general) who, individual or business, personal use or commercial use your images have been snatched for.
Personally I have little understanding of taking an others image and representing it as mine.
I plan on waking up tomorrow to a world at peace, crime a thing of the past, and people respecting to rights of others.
If it isn't there I will just continue to clean the guns and fortify the house.
Sam
Sam, I can understand but if you're worried about copyright infringement, you should be thinking about what steps you can take to prevent it. Whether it's posting low res, watermarked images or something else--you should be looking at what steps are available to you. Longer term, it could happen that digital items are signed with a key or even encrypted allowing for some public viewing. Regardless. all that stuff can be circumvented (as you are well aware).
Scanning a dollar bill is thwarted in many ways. By the paper the bill is printed on (color, threads, embedded features, etc), by the fact only one type of press is used to print currency, by the copier manufacturers. etc. Each technology relies on some kind of code. Whether inks, software or other, it is code of sorts and someone has to do it.
Muench Workshops
MW on Facebook
I think we are saying similar things. I agree on taking steps to prevent circumventing copyright and to identify and track it when it does happen. I don't want to see tools and capabilities crippled because someone could, maybe, possible use it to further criminal acctivity. Don't punish the innocent, punish the guilty!
I think your comments on the dollar bill is supporting my position. (Maybe not) As you state there are many ways governments protect and make it difficult for criminals to counterfeit, but to cripple say Photoshop is ridicules.
If I really wanted to, I am sure I could circumvent this, but it makes it more difficult to say create a collage with money in it, like say a poker game, or money flying out the window, or any creative concept with money.
As far as protecting copyright, I am starting a new company. This company will assist copyright holders in perusing and stopping the unathorized use of their work.
I will have associates located in all major cities. Once you the copyright holder has identified an unauthorized use we send out one of our representatives to have a friendly chat. No lawyers, no courts, no delays.
Payment can be made in small unmarked bills put into a PO box.
We have contacted Jack Bauer, and he has agreed to head up CPT. (Copyright protection Team)
Satisfaction guaranteed!
Sam!
Those pictures are jaw dropping. Thanks for the share
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I'm curious. You want to make creative use of money but can't because copying it doesn't work. And you don't want to "cripple" Photoshop because that's "ridiculous". Copying and scanning currency is "crippled" by the programs that run your scanner--in addition to the other stuff I mentioned and by laws preventing it.
If we had a reasonable way for signing a digital photo and for Photoshop to recognize that, how would it be different than the currency example I used? I certainly don't think that's crippling PS either.
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Thanks for sharing this shot--it's exquisite!
Lauren
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It's beautiful!