This is the worst part of the business. :
The weight !...
I think the 70~200 will never leave Portugal as I am carrying the 16~35, the 24~70 and the flash what is already a back pain after some days ...:):
I am adicted to photography but not that much ! :
Thank you.
The drawbacks of the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS lens (which is one darn fantastic lens) are its weight and its size.
I carry three 1.6x bodies and three lenses in my general shooting:
12-24mm f/4 Tokina; 24-70mm f/2.8L AND the 70-200mm f/4L IS. I chose the f/4L over the f/2.8L because of the significant difference in weight and size. The combination with the f/4L IS lens is a pretty heavy load but, IMO manageable. I know that if I had opted for he f/2.8L model; I would leave it home on many occasions and I have never shot a good image (or any other image for that matter) with a lens I didn't bring with me.
I do realize that there are some uses in which the extra f/stop is absolutely necessary for one reason or another. However, unless you know that you would need that extra one stop; I would suggest that you give a thought to the excellent smaller brother of the f/2.8L: the 70-200mm f/4L IS lens!
The drawbacks of the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS lens (which is one darn fantastic lens) are its weight and its size...I would suggest that you give a thought to the excellent smaller brother of the f/2.8L: the 70-200mm f/4L IS lens!
Huummm. No, no.
Why Because if I was selling that fantastic lens I would lose too much money.
It costs a little fortune and no one would pay me the right value.
Now, I must keep it.
Unless I buy another one. I rather get the old 5D now than another lens.
Thank you for your opinion and advice.
Z. I saw the bride of the other thread. She is very very beautifull. But Nikolai is going to say that the conversition is black and white.
Even if you did own all the lenses its would be your benefit !
The new 70-200 f/4 IS will probably be a very popular lens. It will be lighter than the 2.8 IS and it's IS is supposed to give you an added 4 stops instead of the 2 stops of the 2.8 IS.
Hi,
I'm investigating the 70-200 f/2.8 and just found this thread. Good stuff !
slrgear says this about the 70-200 f/4: Canon EF 70-200 mm f/4L IS USM (tested) ~$1,000
This lens is very comparable to the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS in terms of performance and optical quality, the major difference between the two is that the f/4 is one stop slower. But, another key difference is that the f/4's IS system uses more recent technology, with the result that it offers 4 stops of vibration reduction, rather than the 3 stops the 2.8 model provides. Optically, the f/4 lens is very similar to the F/2.8, actually edging it slightly in terms of sharpness at f/4 and above on a full-frame camera, but shows slightly higher pincushion distortion at 200mm. The optical performance is so close though, the two lenses are for all intents and purposes identical over the aperture range they share in common. - And the f/4's IS system is better by about a stop, so the "effective shake" under limited lighting conditions will be about the same between the two lenses. (A stop less aperture speed, balanced by a stop higher IS performance.)
I believe the f/4 has Canon's newer IS system which yields 4 stops improvement as opposed to the f/2.8's 3 stops IS.
My question is, how long has the f/2.8 been out? It seems likely that Canon will release a new version of the f/2.8 which incorporates the 4 stop IS system used by the f/4. Any idea when this might be?
For the amount of this investment, I can wait a couple months for an f/2.8 with the 4 stop IS.
I photograph a lot of indoor sports (hockey, basketball) and could really use this lens.
test the limit
Just want to share an interesting photo taken by the 70-200 F2.8 IS on a 3 years old rebel.
I got the lens before my trip to Italy last year. My 5D loaded with 24 -105 then mounted the 70-200 on the old Rebel (300D) to enjoy the 1.6X crop factor so that I had a wider focal lenght coverage.
I took this picture from a 50 meter away in a big crowd during the Sunday mass in Vatican church. So you can imagine how bad was the shooting situation. The little girl was sitting on her father's shoulder and raised up from the crowd far away from me. The light in the church is dim, as usual. No tripod or monopod was allowed in the church, just handheld and had to raise my keel to do the quick shot (because I am not tall enough). Just wanted to test out the limit of the big lens, I tried it with wide-open F 2.8, shutter at 1/40 sec ISO was push to 400 (that is the limit to Rebel). IS worked at 1/40sec and I got this result after cropping it.
It proved that the 70-200 f2.8 can really do something almost impossible.
Just want to share an interesting photo taken by the 70-200 F2.8 IS on a 3 years old rebel.... It proved that the 70-200 f2.8 can really do something almost impossible.
Antonio, great thread
I'm considering this lens with the 1.4 TC. Canon needs to put you on their payroll. My question is: why would someone want the "non" IS. I've pm'd the person requesting the "non" IS and I'm waiting for his response. Off topic, we got lost in Lisbon back in the 70's and knew enough spanish to get back to the hotel. I got my hair cut by the Barber of Seville while we were in Spain. We also did the ferry to Morroco. I remember seeing the Rock of Gibraltar. Anyway, great thread for anyone thinking about this lens. Cheers
I'm considering this lens with the 1.4 TC. Canon needs to put you on their payroll. My question is: why would someone want the "non" IS. I've pm'd the person requesting the "non" IS and I'm waiting for his response. Off topic, we got lost in Lisbon back in the 70's and knew enough spanish to get back to the hotel. I got my hair cut by the Barber of Seville while we were in Spain. We also did the ferry to Morroco. I remember seeing the Rock of Gibraltar. Anyway, great thread for anyone thinking about this lens. Cheers
... My question is: why would someone want the "non" IS. ...
I have the "non-IS" version and I bought it specifically for sports and events.
For sports I would not have used the IS because it takes just a moment for the IS to acquire and lock. Instead I used a heavy tripod with a quality fluid head. The rate of keepers was very acceptable.
The galleries here were all shot with that combination (including the sports banquet):
I have the "non-IS" version and I bought it specifically for sports and events. For sports I would not have used the IS because it takes just a moment for the IS to acquire and lock. Instead I used a heavy tripod with a quality fluid head. The rate of keepers was very acceptable. The galleries here were all shot with that combination (including the sports banquet): http://ziggy53.smugmug.com/School/232835 For events I use the lens mostly indoors with flash, so I again don't need the IS. This graduation was shot exclusively with the Canon 70-200mm, f2.8L (non-IS) and Sigma flash: http://ziggy53.smugmug.com/gallery/4474411_xKBaY#263150020
A non professional can't have both 70-200, one IS and the other non-IS. So, better get the IS version.:D
The use of the tripod is very clever. I have done it myself but I was lacking versatility in movements certain times.
It is also true that I don't have any head except my own.
For sports I would not have used the IS because it takes just a moment for the IS to acquire and lock. Instead I used a heavy tripod with a quality fluid head. The rate of keepers was very acceptable.
?
The IS takes a second to spin up but you leave it spun up... keep the button halfway depressed. The lens itself is as fast to auto-focus as the non-IS and you get the benefit of 2-3 stops forgiveness for camera shake. The panning mode is specifically for sports :-)
With the 70-200 IS. I just let it spin up for 1 second and then did a 4 or 5 frame burst on each rider. Shutter speed was generally set to 1/250 so I could get some background movement.
The IS takes a second to spin up but you leave it spun up... keep the button halfway depressed. The lens itself is as fast to auto-focus as the non-IS and you get the benefit of 2-3 stops forgiveness for camera shake. The panning mode is specifically for sports :-)
With the 70-200 IS. I just let it spin up for 1 second and then did a 4 or 5 frame burst on each rider. Shutter speed was generally set to 1/250 so I could get some background movement.
At this point, never having owned one, I would be kicking myself for not buying the IS always wondering if that shot would have turned out better if I had the IS. I'm not a professional, and need every edge I can get to get that shot. My best one to date is this one taken with my buddies 40D and 300 f/4. I’ve definitely got the bug. Still always looking to get that one shot. Thanks for the input. Cheers
At this point, never having owned one, I would be kicking myself for not buying the IS always wondering if that shot would have turned out better if I had the IS. I'm not a professional, and need every edge I can get to get that shot. My best one to date is this one taken with my buddies 40D and 300 f/4. I’ve definitely got the bug. Still always looking to get that one shot. Thanks for the input. Cheers
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Shutter speed was too slow so I'll get it right next time.
30D | 1/320 | f4.0 | iso 800 | 280mm (70-200 + 1.4x)
30D | 1/400 | f4.0 | iso 800 | 160mm
30D | 1/400 | f2.8 | iso 800 | 200mm
Just a little bit jealous.
Of What?
But it does seem tad unfair he has 2 big boys :cry :cry
-Fleetwood Mac
30D | 1/500 | f8 | iso 400 | 70-200 2.8 IS | 200mm
GPS looking south.
Would've been an nice sunset if the mountain hadn't been in the way.
30D | 1/1250 | f2.8 | iso 200 | 70-200 2.8 IS | 135mm
GPS
ever since I started shooting sports indoors it's made me seriously want speed (that and I'd love the speed for the occasional wedding as well)...
so anyone know any get rich quick schemes so I can earn the extra 1,000 I'll need after I sell the other lens? :P
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The drawbacks of the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS lens (which is one darn fantastic lens) are its weight and its size.
I carry three 1.6x bodies and three lenses in my general shooting:
12-24mm f/4 Tokina; 24-70mm f/2.8L AND the 70-200mm f/4L IS. I chose the f/4L over the f/2.8L because of the significant difference in weight and size. The combination with the f/4L IS lens is a pretty heavy load but, IMO manageable. I know that if I had opted for he f/2.8L model; I would leave it home on many occasions and I have never shot a good image (or any other image for that matter) with a lens I didn't bring with me.
I do realize that there are some uses in which the extra f/stop is absolutely necessary for one reason or another. However, unless you know that you would need that extra one stop; I would suggest that you give a thought to the excellent smaller brother of the f/2.8L: the 70-200mm f/4L IS lens!
Huummm. No, no.
Why Because if I was selling that fantastic lens I would lose too much money.
It costs a little fortune and no one would pay me the right value.
Now, I must keep it.
Unless I buy another one. I rather get the old 5D now than another lens.
Thank you for your opinion and advice.
So my wish list looks as follow:
1. 70-200/2.8L
2. 70-200/4L
3. 70-200/2.8L IS
4. 70-200/4L IS
5. old 70-210/4 isn't bad too
XTi, G9, 16-35/2.8L, 100-300USM, 70-200/4L, 19-35, 580EX II, CP-E3, 500/8 ...
DSC-R1, HFL-F32X ... ; AG-DVX100B and stuff ... (I like this 10 years old signature :^)
Lucky guy ! $$$ guy !
All I got now is 70-200/4L
XTi, G9, 16-35/2.8L, 100-300USM, 70-200/4L, 19-35, 580EX II, CP-E3, 500/8 ...
DSC-R1, HFL-F32X ... ; AG-DVX100B and stuff ... (I like this 10 years old signature :^)
Even if you did own all the lenses its would be your benefit !
I preserved original B&W conversion especially for Nikolai :ivar
XTi, G9, 16-35/2.8L, 100-300USM, 70-200/4L, 19-35, 580EX II, CP-E3, 500/8 ...
DSC-R1, HFL-F32X ... ; AG-DVX100B and stuff ... (I like this 10 years old signature :^)
20 D + 70-200 f/2.8 IS L USM + ST E2 + 430 EX
Hi,
I'm investigating the 70-200 f/2.8 and just found this thread. Good stuff !
I have a question about the slrgear review of this lens:
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/57/cat/11
slrgear says this about the 70-200 f/4:
Canon EF 70-200 mm f/4L IS USM (tested) ~$1,000
This lens is very comparable to the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS in terms of performance and optical quality, the major difference between the two is that the f/4 is one stop slower. But, another key difference is that the f/4's IS system uses more recent technology, with the result that it offers 4 stops of vibration reduction, rather than the 3 stops the 2.8 model provides. Optically, the f/4 lens is very similar to the F/2.8, actually edging it slightly in terms of sharpness at f/4 and above on a full-frame camera, but shows slightly higher pincushion distortion at 200mm. The optical performance is so close though, the two lenses are for all intents and purposes identical over the aperture range they share in common. - And the f/4's IS system is better by about a stop, so the "effective shake" under limited lighting conditions will be about the same between the two lenses. (A stop less aperture speed, balanced by a stop higher IS performance.)
I believe the f/4 has Canon's newer IS system which yields 4 stops improvement as opposed to the f/2.8's 3 stops IS.
My question is, how long has the f/2.8 been out? It seems likely that Canon will release a new version of the f/2.8 which incorporates the 4 stop IS system used by the f/4. Any idea when this might be?
For the amount of this investment, I can wait a couple months for an f/2.8 with the 4 stop IS.
I photograph a lot of indoor sports (hockey, basketball) and could really use this lens.
20 D + 1.4 mult + 70-200 IS L USM
I think you would appreciate the motion stopping capability of the f2.8 more than the stabilization of the F4, which only corrects for your shake.
The F2.8 is very usable wide open and also allows better separation of subject and background.
A good tripod will trump IS any day of the week. I strongly suggest the f2.8 version, with or without IS, for indoor and night time sports.
If you are photographing slow moving subjects, the f4 is definitely a contender.
Moderator of the Cameras and Accessories forums
Just want to share an interesting photo taken by the 70-200 F2.8 IS on a 3 years old rebel.
I got the lens before my trip to Italy last year. My 5D loaded with 24 -105 then mounted the 70-200 on the old Rebel (300D) to enjoy the 1.6X crop factor so that I had a wider focal lenght coverage.
I took this picture from a 50 meter away in a big crowd during the Sunday mass in Vatican church. So you can imagine how bad was the shooting situation. The little girl was sitting on her father's shoulder and raised up from the crowd far away from me. The light in the church is dim, as usual. No tripod or monopod was allowed in the church, just handheld and had to raise my keel to do the quick shot (because I am not tall enough). Just wanted to test out the limit of the big lens, I tried it with wide-open F 2.8, shutter at 1/40 sec ISO was push to 400 (that is the limit to Rebel). IS worked at 1/40sec and I got this result after cropping it.
It proved that the 70-200 f2.8 can really do something almost impossible.
flickr.com/photos/photoskipper/
20 D + 1.4 multiplier + 70-200 f/2.8 IS L USM
I'm considering this lens with the 1.4 TC. Canon needs to put you on their payroll.
http://www.happyvalleyphotography.com
I use a monopod for tranquility and confort.:D
I have the "non-IS" version and I bought it specifically for sports and events.
For sports I would not have used the IS because it takes just a moment for the IS to acquire and lock. Instead I used a heavy tripod with a quality fluid head. The rate of keepers was very acceptable.
The galleries here were all shot with that combination (including the sports banquet):
http://ziggy53.smugmug.com/School/232835
For events I use the lens mostly indoors with flash, so I again don't need the IS.
This graduation was shot exclusively with the Canon 70-200mm, f2.8L (non-IS) and Sigma flash:
http://ziggy53.smugmug.com/gallery/4474411_xKBaY#263150020
Moderator of the Cameras and Accessories forums
A non professional can't have both 70-200, one IS and the other non-IS. So, better get the IS version.:D
The use of the tripod is very clever. I have done it myself but I was lacking versatility in movements certain times.
It is also true that I don't have any head except my own.
?
The IS takes a second to spin up but you leave it spun up... keep the button halfway depressed. The lens itself is as fast to auto-focus as the non-IS and you get the benefit of 2-3 stops forgiveness for camera shake. The panning mode is specifically for sports :-)
I shot everything in this gallery
http://blloyd.smugmug.com/gallery/4360875_2ejXL#255973116
With the 70-200 IS. I just let it spin up for 1 second and then did a 4 or 5 frame burst on each rider. Shutter speed was generally set to 1/250 so I could get some background movement.
We can hear the micro-motor working ...
http://www.happyvalleyphotography.com
Nice picture indeed !