Core Duo is intels newest dual core architecture, it's significantly better than their first gen dual core chips that were more or less rushed to market so they could compete w/AMD. "L@@K! we have dual-core too" kinda thing. If you're in the market for an Intel dual core, make sure it's a Core Duo. And since that's not confusing enough, the next revision of this architecture will be renamed to Core2 Duo.
So why is my $1000 box 29 secs ? This is confusing.
Why is it confusing? The new Intel Macs are running under emulation until Adobe releases a Universal Binary version of PS. When they do the times should be equivalent at least...including the MacBook at $1099, I would think...but we'll have to wait and see.
Why is it confusing? The new Intel Macs are running under emulation until Adobe releases a Universal Binary version of PS. When they do the times should be equivalent at least...including the MacBook at $1099, I would think...but we'll have to wait and see.
He's comparing his 29 seconds to the blunderbuss G5's 21 seconds, not the Intel Macs.
Gus, did you resize the piccie the way they specified, before you ran the test?
He's comparing his 29 seconds to the blunderbuss G5's 21 seconds, not the Intel Macs.
Gus, did you resize the piccie the way they specified, before you ran the test?
resize ????? what resize...................................................
yes i did...after resizing all i could see was a giant orange blur on my screen covered in noise & crap. If anyone wants proof im happy to photograph its progress with a clock next to the screen in several shots to show it does indeed do it in that time. I didnt even have everything shut down either.
Why is it confusing? The new Intel Macs are running under emulation until Adobe releases a Universal Binary version of PS. When they do the times should be equivalent at least...including the MacBook at $1099, I would think...but we'll have to wait and see.
woulda coulda shoulda....waxy....i dont pick you as a bloke to buy a promise.
Just drop the K on a box & be done with it. You dont need any more proof that what you are reading here 'bang for buck' wise.....unless that turtle neck is calling.
yes i did...after resizing all i could see was a giant orange blur on my screen covered in noise & crap. If anyone wants proof im happy to photograph its progress with a clock next to the screen in several shots to show it does indeed do it in that time. I didnt even have everything shut down either.
I believe you! Control-0 (zero) makes the document fit your screen again.
I believe you! Control-0 (zero) makes the document fit your screen again.
Out the door to work now but tonight i will shut everything down & try it on its own to see if it can do it faster.
This whole story reminds me of the guy in the turtle neck out to impress his new girlfriend in his porche when some bogan in a blown '72 chev pulls up beside him at the lights & leaves the porche like its standing still.
The porche dood will still be making up excusses to the next 5 girlfriends.
woulda coulda shoulda....waxy....i dont pick you as a bloke to buy a promise.
I heard a rumor that a certain someone also wants to be able to run Final Cut Pro, not sure where I heard that however. It certainly could turn the tables.
I heard a rumor that a certain someone also wants to be able to run Final Cut Pro, not sure where I heard that however. It certainly could turn the tables.
core-duo is intel's name for their new architecture of dual core chips. they had dual core processors previously but they were a different (older) architecture.
Okay.. so it's an Intel trade name, not an Apple name. But I still thought seeing the core-duo trade name meant dual-cores on a single chunk of silicon. Even the Intel product breif says 'dual-core' in the second scentence..
What's wrong w/ mistaking 'core-duo' for 'dual-core'? Aren't they synonymous?
Two things to remember is the impact of Rosetta, and also the impact of two cores versus one core. Not all applications can make any real use of two cores, but Photoshop absolutely can.
But the G5 PowerMac I tested against was a multi-processor machine as well. It was a dual processor machine running at a similar clock speed (both 2.0 GHz) and had very similar performance. I expected the dual-processor G5 based Mac to pretty well clober the new Intel based iMac because of the emulation. Instead they were comparable. This leads me to think that there is very little, if any performance penalty OR the Intel procs are just so much faster. Either way, for the end user, there seems to be little or no penalty under this test in photoshop for going for the new Intel based macs, despite the emulation. And of course that means that once the 'universal' version of photoshop is released, Intel mac users should see even better performance.
Okay.. so it's an Intel trade name, not an Apple name. But I still thought seeing the core-duo trade name meant dual-cores on a single chunk of silicon. Even the Intel product breif says 'dual-core' in the second scentence..
What's wrong w/ mistaking 'core-duo' for 'dual-core'? Aren't they synonymous?
yes and no.
intel has 2 versions of a dual core chip, one significantly better than the other...by calling it a dual core chip you're being ambiguous. core-duo is the specific name of the newest intel dual core architecture.
So I played with a Macbook tonight. PS in Windows is much, much faster than on my machine. It's markedly slower in Mac OS.
I like the layout, the keyboard and the look/feel. The screen's a great size, doesn't feel like 13".
But it's also the worst part of the computer. I found it to be hard to see things on. Patch thinks it was the light. Maybe, maybe not. I think my tiny Vaio has a better screen.
But if I use it as a desktop running my Lacie monitor, the screen becomes less of an issue.
Cost is still a thing. After beefing up memory, adding XP and putting in a larger drive, I'll be up to $1900, quite a bit more than my $1000 for the corner store hot box.
OK, I got Patched. :bluduh The f****r had the screen brightness down to 35%.
Upon further review, the screen's just fine. Wouldn't mine seeing what it looks like in matte instead of glossy, but they don't offer it.
The other thing to be aware of, and has been discussed here, is that the native gamma in OSX is 1.8, and for PCs it's 2.2.
One of the first things I do with a new machine is to use the OSX calibration software and set the gamma to 2.2. It looks much better. Long explanation for the reason, having to do with the Mac's roots in pre-press.
Cost is still a thing. After beefing up memory, adding XP and putting in a larger drive, I'll be up to $1900, quite a bit more than my $1000 for the corner store hot box.
Still, the Macbook has a lot of appeal.
Now you're going for a larger drive? If you are, just get the next model up, for $1499, and add the memory yourself. Not saying that solves the money issue, just saying it makes more sense to me to get the better machine that already has the larger drive in it.
As for speed in PS, I can't speak to what you're seeing in Windows/OSX. But it sure makes sense that until PS gets out of emulation on an Intel chip that it's going to be slower.
Now you're going for a larger drive? If you are, just get the next model up, for $1499, and add the memory yourself. Not saying that solves the money issue, just saying it makes more sense to me to get the better machine that already has the larger drive in it.
Why pay the extra $150 for black? You can pay Apple less to bump up the hard drive.
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That's2 confusing.
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It could have been Core2 Duo S mkII v3.06a r193. :uhoh
adds 50hp
but what about mpg? Whoops wrong forum.
That's good, cause I'm a level 30 Ranger.
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the simple version:
Intel® Core™ Duo is the trademarked name of the product being used.
dual core is a description which could apply to products from various companies.
my words, my "pro"pictures, my "fun" pictures, my videos.
So why is my $1000 box 29 secs ? This is confusing.
Why is it confusing? The new Intel Macs are running under emulation until Adobe releases a Universal Binary version of PS. When they do the times should be equivalent at least...including the MacBook at $1099, I would think...but we'll have to wait and see.
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Gus, did you resize the piccie the way they specified, before you ran the test?
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resize ????? what resize...................................................
yes i did...after resizing all i could see was a giant orange blur on my screen covered in noise & crap. If anyone wants proof im happy to photograph its progress with a clock next to the screen in several shots to show it does indeed do it in that time. I didnt even have everything shut down either.
woulda coulda shoulda....waxy....i dont pick you as a bloke to buy a promise.
Just drop the K on a box & be done with it. You dont need any more proof that what you are reading here 'bang for buck' wise.....unless that turtle neck is calling.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
Out the door to work now but tonight i will shut everything down & try it on its own to see if it can do it faster.
This whole story reminds me of the guy in the turtle neck out to impress his new girlfriend in his porche when some bogan in a blown '72 chev pulls up beside him at the lights & leaves the porche like its standing still.
The porche dood will still be making up excusses to the next 5 girlfriends.
I heard a rumor that a certain someone also wants to be able to run Final Cut Pro, not sure where I heard that however. It certainly could turn the tables.
Makes a lot of sense.
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What's wrong w/ mistaking 'core-duo' for 'dual-core'? Aren't they synonymous? But the G5 PowerMac I tested against was a multi-processor machine as well. It was a dual processor machine running at a similar clock speed (both 2.0 GHz) and had very similar performance. I expected the dual-processor G5 based Mac to pretty well clober the new Intel based iMac because of the emulation. Instead they were comparable. This leads me to think that there is very little, if any performance penalty OR the Intel procs are just so much faster. Either way, for the end user, there seems to be little or no penalty under this test in photoshop for going for the new Intel based macs, despite the emulation. And of course that means that once the 'universal' version of photoshop is released, Intel mac users should see even better performance.
intel has 2 versions of a dual core chip, one significantly better than the other...by calling it a dual core chip you're being ambiguous. core-duo is the specific name of the newest intel dual core architecture.
I like the layout, the keyboard and the look/feel. The screen's a great size, doesn't feel like 13".
But it's also the worst part of the computer. I found it to be hard to see things on. Patch thinks it was the light. Maybe, maybe not. I think my tiny Vaio has a better screen.
But if I use it as a desktop running my Lacie monitor, the screen becomes less of an issue.
Cost is still a thing. After beefing up memory, adding XP and putting in a larger drive, I'll be up to $1900, quite a bit more than my $1000 for the corner store hot box.
Still, the Macbook has a lot of appeal.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
http://www.mcneel.com/users/jb/foghorn/ill_shut_up.au
Upon further review, the screen's just fine. Wouldn't mine seeing what it looks like in matte instead of glossy, but they don't offer it.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
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Ha-Ha.
That's what I need to do from being blinded when working in the dungeon.
The other thing to be aware of, and has been discussed here, is that the native gamma in OSX is 1.8, and for PCs it's 2.2.
One of the first things I do with a new machine is to use the OSX calibration software and set the gamma to 2.2. It looks much better. Long explanation for the reason, having to do with the Mac's roots in pre-press.
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Now you're going for a larger drive? If you are, just get the next model up, for $1499, and add the memory yourself. Not saying that solves the money issue, just saying it makes more sense to me to get the better machine that already has the larger drive in it.
As for speed in PS, I can't speak to what you're seeing in Windows/OSX. But it sure makes sense that until PS gets out of emulation on an Intel chip that it's going to be slower.
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Why pay the extra $150 for black? You can pay Apple less to bump up the hard drive.
perhaps the black comes with a matching turtleneck?
Because I mis-read it.
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<sigh>
Gus, Gus, Gus....
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You just wanted to call him Darthwxwax.