If you are looking for Photoshop performance why not a G5 tower? They are still very fast? You have a PC to do PC stuff, make a photoshop machine.
I would still go w/ a new Intel based if you go mac. I tried Andy's little quick benchmark on a brand new imac a few months ago. It came in within 1 second of a fully doped out dual-processor G5 powermac. As I said at the time, either the emulation bit doesn't take as much of a performance hit in p-shop as you might think, or the Intel chips are just way way faster.
Either way, the Intel stuff is more future-proof in my opinion. I wouldn't go near a PPC based machine unless it was uber-cheap.
Different Mac guy at work was guessing more likely the first part of next year.
I still say Aug/Sep. The Conroe chip is due out in July, this is the MacBook Pro that Apple wanted to release initially. I think that they'll start shipping as soon as possible after the Conroe is released. By normal release schedules your friend would be right. I think he's wrong. But nobody knows until they've actually released it...
This business of waiting the next big thing - that's never going to change.
Yep, you just have to buy something. That's why I love Fry's. Every so often they have an MB/CPU deal I just can't pass up. Poof! I'm upgraded. Instant gratification; no waiting for delivery!
Anyone want to take a crack at building a super-fast Photoshop machine? I don't need no stinking fancy hard drives, got my externals. But I know nothing about motherboards, and next to nothing about chips and memory.
I still say Aug/Sep. The Conroe chip is due out in July, this is the MacBook Pro that Apple wanted to release initially. I think that they'll start shipping as soon as possible after the Conroe is released. By normal release schedules your friend would be right. I think he's wrong. But nobody knows until they've actually released it...
A 64 bit MBpro and 32 bit MB makes a lot more sense. They seem a little too close right now. I can see it being released so soon, maybe by the end of the year. Just as long as it is released with PS CS3.
A 64 bit MBpro and 32 bit MB makes a lot more sense. They seem a little too close right now. I can see it being released so soon, maybe by the end of the year. Just as long as it is released with PS CS3.
I would put money on new MBP's by the end of September. If gambling were legal, of course.
You're not getting a DVD burner, but you are getting a floppy drive? Does anyone still use those things?
Ditto on the DVD, a lot of software is only coming out on DVD now, plus what will you burn to? Eventually you will need to take something off your HD's.
40gb HD? I know you have externals, but I would think you would want a bigger one. One not put in two and use a 40gb for your PS scratch disk.
I also think you need more memory for PS. The more it has the happier it is. I would think 2gb is a minimum. When you are working in PS next, use the info palette and watch the efficiency of your computer.
No OS, is that how your last computer came? I think I found the cause of your problem.
I would put money on new MBP's by the end of September. If gambling were legal, of course.
No, a 64bit dual core chip, at least 4gb of ram, CS3 and a couple of other goodies and I will be in line to upgrade. That is a huge difference. The big test will be with the Desktops, can they make something so fast that it makes sense to upgrade.
No, a 64bit dual core chip, at least 4gb of ram, CS3 and a couple of other goodies and I will be in line to upgrade. That is a huge difference. The big test will be with the Desktops, can they make something so fast that it makes sense to upgrade.
You'll have the first two in September, is what I'm saying.
Ditto on the DVD, a lot of software is only coming out on DVD now, plus what will you burn to? Eventually you will need to take something off your HD's.
40gb HD? I know you have externals, but I would think you would want a bigger one. One not put in two and use a 40gb for your PS scratch disk.
I also think you need more memory for PS. The more it has the happier it is. I would think 2gb is a minimum. When you are working in PS next, use the info palette and watch the efficiency of your computer.
No OS, is that how your last computer came? I think I found the cause of your problem.
I answered David.
I have an external DVD burner. No need for two, waste of money.
Why spend money on a larger internal hard drive that will sit empty? I scarcely use mine as it is, everything goes to the externals. Is there some performance benefit to a larger disk?
As I noted in the post, I'd spend $100-$200 more to get to 2GB.
I have XP pro on my current machine, I'd just transfer it over, kill the current machine.
Ditto on the DVD, a lot of software is only coming out on DVD now, plus what will you burn to? Eventually you will need to take something off your HD's.
40gb HD? I know you have externals, but I would think you would want a bigger one.
I don't know how you expect to get by with only 40GB, myself. I keep all of my photos off my internal drive, and I still have about 75Gb of my 100GB used...
I have an external DVD burner. No need for two, waste of money.
Why spend money on a larger internal hard drive that will sit empty? I scarcely use mine as it is, everything goes to the externals. Is there some performance benefit to a larger disk?
As I noted in the post, I'd spend $100-$200 more to get to 4GB.
I have XP pro on my current machine, I'd just transfer it over, kill the current machine.
I use two drives at the same time on many occasions, usually if I have to pull data off several drives at once.
What will you do when the new programs come out and need more space? HD space is cheap, 40 just seems low, how much are you saving vs gb given up.
I don't know how you expect to get by with only 40GB, myself. I keep all of my photos off my internal drive, and I still have about 75Gb of my 100GB used...
Wow. What the heck are you running?
I'll check mine when I get home.
No biggie on getting a bigger drive, I was looking to save wherever I could. If it's a dumb idea, not very expensive to go bigger.
I'm really interested in the numbers you are getting on this. The only question I have is whether it is the same using CS and CS2. I have CS2, so .
Trust me, if a 20" core-duo iMac can rip the pants off my current system, I will surely consider it. Just don't know if Adobe will let me trade my one month old copy of CS2 for a Mac version .
That's really my only concern at this point. The machine I'm on right now will serve me fine as a general-purpose rig. My goal is to have a separate stand-alone photo-editing rig.
Again, I'd love to see your numbers!
Thanks,
Mongrel
If every keystroke was a shutter press I'd be a pro by now...
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Either way, the Intel stuff is more future-proof in my opinion. I wouldn't go near a PPC based machine unless it was uber-cheap.
I still say Aug/Sep. The Conroe chip is due out in July, this is the MacBook Pro that Apple wanted to release initially. I think that they'll start shipping as soon as possible after the Conroe is released. By normal release schedules your friend would be right. I think he's wrong. But nobody knows until they've actually released it...
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I spent a while at the Apple online store, even looked at refurbs. This business of waiting the next big thing - that's never going to change.
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Yep, you just have to buy something. That's why I love Fry's. Every so often they have an MB/CPU deal I just can't pass up. Poof! I'm upgraded.
So here's the store I go to.
Basically, build your own.
Anyone want to take a crack at building a super-fast Photoshop machine? I don't need no stinking fancy hard drives, got my externals.
http://www.ginstar.com/
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A 64 bit MBpro and 32 bit MB makes a lot more sense. They seem a little too close right now. I can see it being released so soon, maybe by the end of the year.
I just ran the benchmark that Andy posted a ways back....
3 minutes flat
Not sure where that leaves me in the grand scheme of things....
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You're not getting a DVD burner, but you are getting a floppy drive? Does anyone still use those things?
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That is why I bought what I did. I also saved some money to put to the super fast Macbookpro's to come.
I would put money on new MBP's by the end of September. If gambling were legal, of course.
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Not sure if the graphics card supports 2 monitors, that might up the cost.
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Ditto on the DVD, a lot of software is only coming out on DVD now, plus what will you burn to? Eventually you will need to take something off your HD's.
40gb HD? I know you have externals, but I would think you would want a bigger one. One not put in two and use a 40gb for your PS scratch disk.
I also think you need more memory for PS. The more it has the happier it is. I would think 2gb is a minimum. When you are working in PS next, use the info palette and watch the efficiency of your computer.
No OS, is that how your last computer came? I think I found the cause of your problem.
No, a 64bit dual core chip, at least 4gb of ram, CS3 and a couple of other goodies and I will be in line to upgrade. That is a huge difference. The big test will be with the Desktops, can they make something so fast that it makes sense to upgrade.
Here's my take:
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From their website Add $49 for:
- Case and Power Supply
- CPU/Motherboard Combo
- CPU Fan
- Floppy Drive
Definitely get a SATA drive (not IDE/UDMA). To go cheaper, replace the DVD Burner with a reader only, but software is starting to arrive on DVD now.I don't know what the heck I ran the first time, but I went back to the thread and ran THE REAL benchmark from Fred Miranda.....
Anyway.....ran it three times (yes Resized-radial blur-100-BEST settings...) and my 'new' grand total is:
80 Seconds
Ok, one time it was like 79 seconds and change
Not bad for an old dog
You'll have the first two in September, is what I'm saying.
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I answered David.
I have an external DVD burner. No need for two, waste of money.
Why spend money on a larger internal hard drive that will sit empty? I scarcely use mine as it is, everything goes to the externals.
As I noted in the post, I'd spend $100-$200 more to get to 2GB.
I have XP pro on my current machine, I'd just transfer it over, kill the current machine.
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That should have been the $189 X800 Video card.... *not* the X600 which is already pokey by today's standards.
Very cool, Chris! Thanks.
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Do you have a link? I would like to run it on my Macbook in OSX and XP.
I don't know how you expect to get by with only 40GB, myself. I keep all of my photos off my internal drive, and I still have about 75Gb of my 100GB used...
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I use two drives at the same time on many occasions, usually if I have to pull data off several drives at once.
What will you do when the new programs come out and need more space? HD space is cheap, 40 just seems low, how much are you saving vs gb given up.
I'll check mine when I get home.
No biggie on getting a bigger drive, I was looking to save wherever I could. If it's a dumb idea, not very expensive to go bigger.
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My iTunes Library is around 30GB all by itself....
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OK, now I understand. Yeah, I don't do the music thing, color me boring.
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Patch, here's the link to the test...
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/145693
I'm really interested in the numbers you are getting on this. The only question I have is whether it is the same using CS and CS2. I have CS2, so
Trust me, if a 20" core-duo iMac can rip the pants off my current system, I will surely consider it. Just don't know if Adobe will let me trade my one month old copy of CS2 for a Mac version
That's really my only concern at this point. The machine I'm on right now will serve me fine as a general-purpose rig. My goal is to have a separate stand-alone photo-editing rig.
Again, I'd love to see your numbers!
Thanks,
Mongrel